Inflated prices

[shinyedges]

My replies to your defense of your BF brother:

#1. I'm an adult. I don't need any unsolicited aid in a dedicated thread. But fine, I'll play. So you get your "flipper" thread...now how do you verify 100% every stat of the deal is how it appears? So much for your "help" when you're looking at invalid data. And at the core of the definition of "invalid" is "unable to be verified."

#2. You're being obtuse. Just because someone doesn't say they got humiliated doesn't mean it didn't happen. MOF, I'd argue most of the time when they say they haven't been hurt, they most surely have. Think about it, you've proved my point by admitting no one speaks up about getting soaked.

#3. Wrong, flat out wrong. There's a thread in W&C a mile long about people suspected of being flippers that was propagated by folks without a damn clue talking thru their hats.

No there isn't.

 

[Dopic1]

still with the personal attacks, still avoiding the issues, still at the aid of a bro who needs help...birds of a feather.

Birds of a feather? These gentlemen aka "Bro's" you speak of are diametrically opposed to who I am not in a bad way I might add. The common thread here is we all agree about you. Numbers don't lie, people do.

 

[WValtakis]

Wrong, flat out wrong. There's a thread in W&C a mile long about people suspected of being flippers that was propagated by folks without a damn clue talking thru their hats.

If you're defending the people/products in the SFK&oFf$800 thread , you've just jumped the shark...

 

[Kbrasmodeler]

My replies to your defense of your BF brother:

#1. I'm an adult. I don't need any unsolicited aid in a dedicated thread. But fine, I'll play. So you get your "flipper" thread...now how do you verify 100% every stat of the deal is how it appears? So much for your "help" when you're looking at invalid data. And at the core of the definition of "invalid" is "unable to be verified." Exactly why a process would need to be in place to verify the data. Are you advocating that we just ignore it? To illustrate: Occasionally, an innocent person goes to jail. Should we therefore scrap the whole justice system, as we can never be 100% sure of guilt?

#2. You're being obtuse. Just because someone doesn't say they got humiliated doesn't mean it didn't happen. MOF, I'd argue most of the time when they say they haven't been hurt, they most surely have. Think about it, you've proved my point by admitting no one speaks up about getting soaked. What do you think this thread is about? People speaking up about getting "soaked", or doing their best to remedy the situation for others.

#3. Wrong, flat out wrong. There's a thread in W&C a mile long about people suspected of being flippers that was propagated by folks without a damn clue talking thru their hats. I've asked before, more than once, so I don't think I'll get an answer, but: What thread are you referring to? I can't evaluate your assertion without data.

 

[sliceofaloha]

I'm pretty new here and stumbled onto this thread. I'm just an observer but it appears Pete is not winning this argument.

 

[Kbrasmodeler]

Or search his name and a keyword see how many of the same brand new knives he's sold...

Only works if he hasn't edited them, but:
FOR SALE:

ALL SOLD, THANKS!

SHIPPING: Priority Mail Small Flat Rate Mailer with Signature Confirmation <as per your request> to your PP addy in the 50 U S of A...no PO boxes & no NYC shipping please! No international sales on these, sorry.

TERMS: Please post an "I'll take it" here in the thread with a follow up PM or email. I reserve the right to end the sale at any time for any reason. I likewise reserve the right to sell to whomever I choose to. No returns, No refunds, No exchanges...so be sure to ask any questions NOW!

PICS:

 

[danbot]

The way I see it, flippers are just sad little weaselly scalpers who like to feel like street corner crack dealers without the risk of hard time or getting shot by rival dealers. They enjoy skirting the rules and getting away with not paying their fair share in acting honestly and with integrity.

The only way to stop it is if people stop buying from them, no matter how badly they want what is being sold!
Could you imagine if Beyonce showed up to perform a concert and there was only a handful of people at the venue who managed to buy their tickets legitimately because everyone else refused to buy from people scalping tickets at huge mark ups?

The same goes for clones. If people would stop buying them, they would stop making them. Unfortunately the cloners rely on people who don't know any better to buy their illicit goods.

BF is not and should not be one of those places. Flippers here can flip all they like *IF they buy the proper membership* and the members here will tell them with their dollars how much of a mark up is too much.

 

[WValtakis]

That's quite a Wall 'o Disclaimer that completely defies the spirit of the exchange here

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

Pete, can I call ya Pete? Pete, question for you. Did you not know that people could easily click on your profile, and click "Post Areas" and see the entirety of your activity on this forum? This is a genuine question.

Thanks for a genuine question.
I know they can see my activity.
I've got nothing to hide.
I live far away from any brick and mortar knife stores and I have a strong desire to try out, look at, or otherwise just coonfinger certain blades, a lot of em.
My sales stats are being put on blast because some are tryin to skew me into a category that I'm not a member in.
My buying stats are not being mentioned, notice that?
Out of the gate shiny put me on blast by saying I had "near 500" transactions...closer to "400" in truth, and while it seems a nominal omission by him on the surface, it belies the fact that his motivation is to shoot me down and discredit me by rounding up to make it look more extreme. Math facts don't lie-- hear something like that lately?
And why? Because I raise some legit concerns...it swerved the whole thread.
Again, let folks make up their own minds about everything-- even my profile.
Why all the lightning and thunder about how bad a guy I am?
It's very repressive, and I think that's by design.
Some folks can't separate the message from the message or they just don't want to.
Or worse yet, they try to make the messenger into something to discredit his message.
The piling on I've experienced today just confirms this to me.

 

[shinyedges]

I'm pretty new here and stumbled onto this thread. I'm just an observer but it appears Pete is not winning this argument.

The new guy is quite astute!

 

[shinyedges]

Thanks for a genuine question.
I know they can see my activity.
I've got nothing to hide.
I live far away from any brick and mortar knife stores and I have a strong desire to try out, look at, or otherwise just coonfinger certain blades, a lot of em.
My sales stats are being put on blast because some are tryin to skew me into a category that I'm not a member in.
My buying stats are not being mentioned, notice that?
Out of the gate shiny put me on blast by saying I had "near 500" transactions...closer to "400" in truth, and while it seems nominal on the surface, it belies the fact that his motivation is to shoot me down and discredit me by rounding up to make it look more extreme. Math facts don't lie-- hear something like that lately?
And why? Because I raise some legit concerns...it swerved the whole thread.
Again, let folks make up their own minds about everything-- even my profile.
Why all the lightning and thunder about how bad a guy I am?
It's very repressive, and I think that's by design.
Some folks can't separate the message from the message or they just don't want to.
Or worse yet, they try to make the messenger into something to discredit his message.
The piling on I've experienced today just confirms that to me.

Is 400+ closer to 0 or 500? I don't have to do anything, you keep on digging

Didn't have anything to say about how you'd be "forced" to use someone else's judgement huh? Convenient.

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

I'm pretty new here and stumbled onto this thread. I'm just an observer but it appears Pete is not winning this argument.

It's not about winning, it's about facts, but you're new here so enjoy your stay ALOHA!

shiny still hasn't addressed my topics, his mindless thralls have, but not him, personally.

 

[Quiet]

Thanks for a genuine question.
I know they can see my activity.
I've got nothing to hide.
I live far away from any brick and mortar knife stores and I have a strong desire to try out, look at, or otherwise just coonfinger certain blades, a lot of em.
My sales stats are being put on blast because some are tryin to skew me into a category that I'm not a member in.
My buying stats are not being mentioned, notice that?
Out of the gate shiny put me on blast by saying I had "near 500" transactions...closer to "400" in truth, and while it seems a nominal omission by him on the surface, it belies the fact that his motivation is to shoot me down and discredit me by rounding up to make it look more extreme. Math facts don't lie-- hear something like that lately?
And why? Because I raise some legit concerns...it swerved the whole thread.
Again, let folks make up their own minds about everything-- even my profile.
Why all the lightning and thunder about how bad a guy I am?
It's very repressive, and I think that's by design.
Some folks can't separate the message from the message or they just don't want to.
Or worse yet, they try to make the messenger into something to discredit his message.
The piling on I've experienced today just confirms that to me.

I have to take issue with your assertion that anyone here is trying to paint you as a bad guy. There's not really any need to do so when you make your own position so clear all by yourself. The numbers are what they are. You clearly come here to sell a lot of knives, whatEVER your reasons are. The issue is that you come into this thread trying to derail and shut down the discussion under this idea that "Oh no!! People will be misclassified! We should stop talking about this, because some people might be affected poorly!" Therefore, your overall message remains (for everyone who can clearly see through the "OMG PERSONAL ATTACKS!" attempts at obfuscation) that this thread needs to go away because...reasons. Reasons that really, you've poorly articulated, and thus become more a sign of your bias, given that you have sold a lot of knives on this board. Are you a flipper? Not sure, I haven't bothered really digging into your past posts in those threads, because ultimately, I don't care. At the end of the day, you're a guy who has sold a LOT of knives on this forum, coming into a thread on the topic of flippers taking advantage of people, and telling everyone this topic needs to die down because you don't want people to be mislabeled.

It comes off entirely as self-serving, and frankly, I remain mystefied as to why you tried. The moderation staff on this forum have already made their position clear that talking about flippers is not a bannable, infractable, or thread-closing offense. In fact, the past threads that were closed, were done so because the OPs of those threads got tired of all the flipper shills coming in to do the same thing you've done here.

 

[Quiet]

It's not about winning, it's about facts, but you're new here so enjoy your stay ALOHA!

shiny still hasn't addressed my topics, his mindless thralls have, but not him, personally.

Being called a "mindless thrall" by a flipper shill who's just out to defend his side-job's revenue stream doesn't bother me too much, and by too much, I mean not at all.

 

[shinyedges]

1. No one is forcing anyone to click on the theoretical thread that would contain a list of flippers. So how is your judgement being forced?

2.The theoretical thread with names doesn't have to have show who bought the knife.

3. To educate more people and ultimately hurt flippers sales. As has been said before.

At a minimum, the attention so far that these threads has stirred has made spark more alert to people abusing the memberships here. Meaning more crack down on flippers .

Mr. I average a sale every 8 days, how much in fees did you avoid by using bladeforums like ebay ?

Interesting..

 

[shinyedges]

It's not about winning, it's about facts, but you're new here so enjoy your stay ALOHA!

shiny still hasn't addressed my topics, his mindless thralls have, but not him, personally.

Just in case you missed it, it's quoted again here:

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/inflated-prices.1613909/page-18#post-18467443

 

[Triton]

Who the hell said fixing prices?!? Quote them please.

If our argument is that some people are selling too many knives at inflated values and that's what defines them as a flipper (nevermind the unanswered questions about thresholds and who decides) then that's exactly what we are talking about. I.e. people are only allowed to sell a knife or two (or some undefined number) at a "reasonable" profit (whatever that means). If I've misunderstood and that's not what we are talking about then I'm not sure why there is even a problem.

 

[Triton]

To think that a knowledgeable knife hobbiest can't improve their trade with a better knife is ignorant. That is the person hurt most by flippers.

Can one do their job with a regular knife? Sure. Would the job be improved with a better knife? Absolutely.

I would love to hear an example of that. Do we really think that carpet installer is going to be worried about using a limited edition slipjoint or a busse for cutting carpet?

 

[shinyedges]

If our argument is that some people are selling too many knives at inflated values and that's what defines them as a flipper (nevermind the unanswered questions about thresholds and who decides) then that's exactly what we are talking about. I.e. people are only allowed to sell a knife or two (or some undefined number) at a "reasonable" profit (whatever that means). If I've misunderstood and that's not what we are talking about then I'm not sure why there is even a problem.

No. We're discussing people who are dealers with a gold membership or very close to being a dealer.

The quantity of brand new knives being sold at the substantial mark up is key here. If they bought a dealer membership.... abide by the dealer rules sell at whatever price they want.

Price fixing was never being discussed or brought up by anyone other than you.

 

[shinyedges]

Bento box shop is a prime example of flipper dealer. That's what these people should do, out themselves as dealers, pay for the correct membership and abide by the dealer rules. Charge a million dollars for a pm3.