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Insipid Moniker said:
I feel like you're groping after the use/mention distinction, essentially arguing that you mentioned the word rather than used it. But that distinction pretty much only holds up in academic discussion and, even then, that particular word is generally censored because of the incredible history of virulent racism associated with it.

And even within the context of the use/mention distinction your particular phrasing doesn't really pass the smell test.

I'll be honest, I think what you're primarily accomplishing is managing to make more and more users aware of your willingness to use a particularly vile racial epithet on these forums.
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You feel wrong then... I absolutely used it. I used it in a manner that echoes all the hatred typically associated with it... but in a context that SHOULD draw attention to how ridiculous it is. (And here's where we start to toe that political/sociological line.) Why are people offended by someone using a word full of hatred only to point out how silly that hate is? I dunno, it's the internet. They send people death threats for making fun of Taylor Swift.
 
Armadew said:
Let's put it this way:

You're in a bar known to have a bad reputation. "Where bastards come to roost" if you will...

You quote a passage from Tom Sawyer (including the n-word) to your buddies.

Bouncer overhears and tells you to watch your language.

Do you argue with him that you didn't do anything wrong and point to the "no shirt, no service" sign saying you don't see anything about the n-word there?

Or do you apologize and shut up?
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...and after the bouncer gave you their reasoning, would you still argue the point, or do you apologize and shut up?
 
Greykilt said:
And here it is again. This ridiculous notion that W&C is the neutral zone. Whine & Cheese is NOT a "free for all" subforum. That mentality has been the bane of many an opinionated member. Whine & Cheese is more regulated and moderated than you might imagine.
An example
Think of the wild west town where the cowboy had to check his gun in at the sheriffs office. You couldn't carry it in town.
Then you had the smaller towns were you kept your trusty pistol holstered at your side.
One place no gun, the other place yes gun.
It's like that now in Colorado, open carry is legal in some places, but not in others.
With me so far?
But note, it was never okay to shoot ones fellow citizen in EITHER place.
In your situation you used a taboo word universality recognized on Blade Forums as an offensive, racist, politically incorrect, prejudiced, bigoted term. Hands down. You keep trying to justify your use of it by claiming the context you exhibited makes the word less offensive, less racist, less prejudiced, less bigoted. That's like claiming arsenic isn't poison because you mixed it in cranberry juice.
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You can't make the word less racist. You can however use it a non-racist manner. Particularly in a manner meant to illustrate how absurd that racism is.

I argued that "Racism" is what is banned. Not the use of a racist term itself. Again, a quote about a Tiger calling a microwave by a different epithet wouldn't be an example of racism. It'd just be stupid. Stupid clearly isn't banned in W&C.

If you want to be offended, go ahead. We'll just have to agree to disagree. We can even agree to disagree about the reading of the rules, as long as my membership privileges are restored.
 
Armadew said:
...and after the bouncer gave you their reasoning, would you still argue the point, or do you apologize and shut up?
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Am I being too subtle???

Apologize and shut up.

If that sounds harsh, I'm sorry. I'm trying to give you advice.

Apologize and shut up.

You aren't helping yourself.
 
ATwistedStaple said:
I renewed my membership in February. As stated, I'm fine with the infraction, but I'm not ok with the loss of purchased privileges. If the two don't have anything to do with one another then we can drop the previous subject entirely.

We do however still need to remedy the membership issue.
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Start another thread here in Tech Support so we can get this membership issue resolved. If you have any transaction info, post that in the thread. Spark is only one who can fix this.
 
ATwistedStaple said:
You can't make the word less racist. You can however use it a non-racist manner. Particularly in a manner meant to illustrate how absurd that racism is.

I argued that "Racism" is what is banned. Not the use of a racist term itself. Again, a quote about a Tiger calling a microwave by a different epithet wouldn't be an example of racism. It'd just be stupid. Stupid clearly isn't banned in W&C.

If you want to be offended, go ahead. We'll just have to agree to disagree. We can even agree to disagree about the reading of the rules, as long as my membership privileges are restored.
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No you can't.
 
ATwistedStaple said:
You can't make the word less racist. You can however use it a non-racist manner. Particularly in a manner meant to illustrate how absurd that racism is.

I argued that "Racism" is what is banned. Not the use of a racist term itself. Again, a quote about a Tiger calling a microwave by a different epithet wouldn't be an example of racism. It'd just be stupid. Stupid clearly isn't banned in W&C.

If you want to be offended, go ahead. We'll just have to agree to disagree. We can even agree to disagree about the reading of the rules, as long as my membership privileges are restored.
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You're right, the cranberries do taste.......... (ackk)....falls to floor gasping ...

You do notice that nobody is using the word in question when they reply to your repeated argument of Defense. Even in an academic context debating whether the word has validity or not on this forum, none of us and note some of us have been here a long time others maybe not so much in longevity but certainly in activity, none of us are using this word.
Why do you think that is?
 
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What a troll...

Starts a Whiny thread in W&C, gets laughed at, gets butthurt, makes a racial slur, plays dumb about the given infraction, tries to make a loop-hole in the forum rules, continues to argue with mods, claims he "lost his privileges" to using said racial slur, and for some reason...he's not banned yet:confused:

I vote the ban-hammer! But that's just me...
 
LEGION 12 said:
No you can't.
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Exactly. Its like hitting someone on the skull with a ball peen hammer and saying "I did it in a non-violent manner."

You crossed a line Staple, and if you would have just accepted it and moved on, the whole thing would have blown over by now, quite possibly without having to issue an apology to anyone.

But, now you are "the n-word apologist guy." That wont blow over so easily. Ask Claude_88 or Larcivs Lepidvs.
 
I don't understand why people can't be wrong anymore?? I've been wrong here, had it called out and quickly saw how it was wrong. Hell, I'm wrong all the time in the real world. But if I'm wrong it doesn't change my perception of myself or shake my beliefs to the core, I just learn from it and move on.
 
Blues Bender said:
What a troll...

Starts a Whiny thread in W&C, gets laughed at, gets butthurt, makes a racial slur, plays dumb about the given infraction, tries to make a loop-hole in the forum rules, continues to argue with mods, claims he "lost his privileges" to using said racial slur, and for some reason...he's not banned yet:confused:

I vote the ban-hammer! But that's just me...
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Sounds pretty straightforward to me, but he said he didn't mean it the way it sounded and the mods are being meanies. I say we give him a wittle woobie to crwy in. :D

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I wonder how much effort Spark will put into restoring his account as long as he continues with the premise he has done nothing wrong ;0)

* This is a very technical issue and may take 4 to 6 weeks remedy*
 
One of the very first lessons I taught my children was to admit wrongdoing, apologize and move on.
I was the first to reply to that post.....my girl of 5 years is black, her 2 boys are black. Our families get along wonderfully. That word just pisses me off.....pretty sure I'm not the only one. Wish you could see my boy's faces when they hear that word.
Staple.......would it be THAT difficult to hit us with a 'my bad' and move on?? If you truly feel it would be......maybe you should just move on.
Don't mean to sound all righteous and shit, but how can you not see this??
Joe
 
ATwistedStaple said:
"Dirty (insert racial epithet here!)" remarked the pot upon seeing a kettle in the neighborhood.

That's the comment that garnered me a rather substantial infraction for racism. It wasn't edited of course, but was in the Whine&Cheese forum which comes with an offensive comments disclaimer.

Now, if I'd merely used the phrase in quotations as a response to another member, or in most other contexts for that matter I'd absolutely agree that it was racist and offensive. In the context it's used there though I don't see how it could be confused for an act of racism.

The whole point in the old pot and kettle line is to show how ridiculous it is for two very similar entities to call each other names. Here, the racial epithet is used to heighten the absurdity of a pots displeasure with a kettle. So no races nor real people were actually involved and it wasn't used in a reply to any individual.

In my mind it's equivalent to being upset about a Tiger calling a microwave a term generally used as an offensive term for Asians. Ridiculous and satirical, but altogether unoffensive when read as intended.

Morrow refused to discuss it with me in PMs, but suggested I start a thread here.
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You used a racist term. Do you want to be at a forum where everyone is allowed to make racist comments for no reason?

Yes, it was in a joke. Racist jokes can offend people too. More so, the epithet wasn't even necessary to make the joke that was not even funny anyways. So what was the purpose of using the racist term other than to be offensive?

You got off easy. Now you know.
 
palonej said:
One of the very first lessons I taught my children was to admit wrongdoing, apologize and move on.
I was the first to reply to that post.....my girl of 5 years is black, her 2 boys are black. Our families get along wonderfully. That word just pisses me off.....pretty sure I'm not the only one. Wish you could see my boy's faces when they hear that word.
Staple.......would it be THAT difficult to hit us with a 'my bad' and move on?? If you truly feel it would be......maybe you should just move on.
Don't mean to sound all righteous and shit, but how can you not see this??
Joe
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I can't see your point of view as it applies to this situation, just as you can't seem to see mine. If you can't even tolerate the word when used to illustrate how ridiculous the hate behind it is then you're just handing over that power to the user. I am sorry if you or anyone else took offense to the comment though, as none was intended.

Good for you btw. Interracial relationships can be tough. I'm half of a mixed race couple as well(white/mexican-native). You wouldn't think it'd be an issue anymore, given that whites are actually the minority here, but it still comes up.
 
BenchCo Spydermade said:
You used a racist term. Do you want to be at a forum where everyone is allowed to make racist comments for no reason?

Yes, it was in a joke. Racist jokes can offend people too. More so, the epithet wasn't even necessary to make the joke that was not even funny anyways. So what was the purpose of using the racist term other than to be offensive?

You got off easy. Now you know.
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It's not so much a joke as a satire. The term was used to grab attention. I'd say it worked. A racist joke wouldn't really have applied to the situation as race hadn't played a part in that thread.
 
ATwistedStaple said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. I can't see your point of view as it applies to this situation, just as you can't seem to see mine. If you can't even tolerate the word when used to illustrate how ridiculous the hate behind it is then you're just handing over that power to the user.
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No one is seeing your point of view.

ATwistedStaple said:
I am sorry if you or anyone else took offense to the comment though, as none was intended.
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That is not an apology.
 
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