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The thing is, even if the edge was not the same as this swasenko guy's other Microtechs, I've yet to see ANY company that hasn't released some turkeys that were missed by Quality Control. Quality from piece to piece varies.
 
I have bought 2 knives on this forum that were represented as new and unsharpened. I thought they had been sharpened. Both of the sellers (both are well known here) assured me the knives were just as they came from the factory. I believe them.
I was basing my statements on the fact that the knives did not have the "perfect factory edge" on them. I am relatively new at the knife collecting hobby, but I soon found out that not all knives are perfect when they leave the factory.
Anything is possible.
 
You're right I haven't been back for a few days. I was out of town for work. I tried taking pictures and my camera can't show upclose detail well enough to see anything. I'd need a good Macro lens. Anyway it doesn't matter. I'll just send the knife to Microtech.

Some guys on here seem pretty pissed at me and some support me. I've been on the forums since 05 and never had a problem with anyone. I didn't mean Zu anything bad and wanted to put this up to see if he had support. Since alot of guys vouch for him he must be a good guy. Something wierd happened here and it's over. I didn't mean any disrepect by posting this and I thought that showed.

I apparently owe Zu and apology over the commotion this caused. I didn't think it would have. Sorry we didn't see eye to eye on this and it was a headache. It over though.
 
swasenko said:
You're right I haven't been back for a few days. I was out of town for work. I tried taking pictures and my camera can't show upclose detail well enough to see anything. I'd need a good Macro lens. Anyway it doesn't matter. I'll just send the knife to Microtech.

Some guys on here seem pretty pissed at me and some support me. I've been on the forums since 05 and never had a problem with anyone. I didn't mean Zu anything bad and wanted to put this up to see if he had support. Since alot of guys vouch for him he must be a good guy. Something wierd happened here and it's over. I didn't mean any disrepect by posting this and I thought that showed.

I apparently owe Zu and apology over the commotion this caused. I didn't think it would have. Sorry we didn't see eye to eye on this and it was a headache. It over though.
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You're damn right you owe an apology. Based upon what I've seen swasenko, this never should have been posted in the first place. You claim you meant no disrespect, but your actions had no other visible purpose but to try and harm Irezumi's rep. Then with this last post, you changed your whole attitude when everyone called you on it.

Your actions here, in this moderator's eyes, show no rational purpose, have no rhyme or reason, and frankly, it makes you look like you're a little mentally unstable and most definitely dishonest. You could have handled this in a million better ways.

If you wanted to see if he had support and a good rep, you should have posted that question, not attacked him.

You've wasted everyone's time with this game. Shame on you.

You've only hurt yourself here.
 
"I didn't think he would lie"

Yup, a big apology is in order because you never posted photos to support such a comment.
 
Thanks swasenko. No probs at all bro. Just a misunderstanding. As per my reply to your recent PM, please send me your details and I will post you over a nice little pocket DMT sharpener I have at home on the house, but I have used it once or twice :D:thumbup:
 
Irezumi said:
Thanks swasenko. No probs at all bro. Just a misunderstanding. As per my reply to your recent PM, please send me your details and I will post you over a nice little pocket DMT sharpener I have at home on the house, but I have used it once or twice :D:thumbup:
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Nice one mate :thumbup:
 
I was nice the whole time and respectful. From the first post I said good things of Zu. Brian Jones, your comments seem to be the more unstable here. I was never brash or high strung like you were in your post. I did mean to ask more of what people thought in the original post, but I didn't make that clear. That was an admitted mistake.

What do you mean I changed my attitude when everyone called me on it. I stick by my original opinion that this is not a factory Microtech edge, but I now believe that Zu did purchase it this way and he was telling the truth. I would love to post pictures and I tried, but my camera won't take am upclose photo well. If you'd like to see it please come over.

I don't see how you could say I look dishonest. I never asked for any money back and I said I was still happy with the knife at the price. I only wanted what I knew the truth was to be admitted. I didn't ask Zu for anything else. The only thing I was after was honesty. Now I know that he was honest and the knife was a bad one. I will fix the edge on it and everything is good. How could these actions make me look dishonest.

I never changed my whole attitude. I was nice from the beginning and remaind until the end. By the end it seemed like a lot of hassle for a knife I was going to keep anyway so I told everyone to drop it. Zu and I have made nice and I don't see anyone should come out looking bad.
 
Irezumi said:
Thanks swasenko. No probs at all bro. Just a misunderstanding. As per my reply to your recent PM, please send me your details and I will post you over a nice little pocket DMT sharpener I have at home on the house, but I have used it once or twice :D:thumbup:
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Kudos to you, Sir!

The title of this thread should be changed.
 
You're right Broos. I'll do that.

Just so everyone won't question my honesty I went out and bought a $1000 camera to take pics. Here is the link. You can clearly see two bevels on the edge. Again, the knife won't even shave 1 hair. That's not a Microtech.

I am not saying it's Zu's fault. I believe him now and thanks to the guys who backed him up. But now everyone will know I was telling the truth.

I had some problems with them coming up small. Please make sure to view them in the full size.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9258747@N08/2299726117/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9258747@N08/2299724705/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9258747@N08/2299722777/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9258747@N08/2300521290/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Thanks
 
Your dishonesty was simply in the way you approached this by throwing out an accusation and "seeing if he had support." Read my post again. I stand by it. Don't waste anymore of our time, please, swasenko.
 
On your first point:

That doesn't look like it's been resharpened at home. Stick-style sharpeners (e.g. Spyderco Sharpmaker) aren't precise enough to cut a bevel like that usually.

Clamp-style sharpeners (e.g. Lansky, EdgePro) cut quickly and coarsely enough to rebevel the whole edge.

Although, strangely, the rust spots on the lower half of that edge bevel look like whatever happened to it, happened more recently than the lower half of the bevel.

One possibility is that the factory noticed the rust posts and tried to put in a new edge but got the angle wrong.

On your second point, I've had Microtechs direct from dealers that were dull enough that they wouldn't cut paper.

Lastly, normal expected procedure is if you don't like a sale or trade, you can reverse it, but the buyer-reciever pays for the shipping to send it back.

Sorry.

-j
 
It looks like a factory edge gone off-center. Swasenko should have thought of the many other reasons this blade could have flaws but he decided straight away to choose the least likely one.
 
I've been away for a week and am catching up on my forum reading and was surprised to find this. Like others I've bought several knives from Irezumi, he's great to deal with. If he'd retoruched the edge he would've said so. I've been buying knives for more than 25 years and have often seen variences in edge and sharpness from the same manufacturer. You should see the last Bark River I got, it looks like a dogs breakfast.
 
Looking at those pictures, I'd say it was only an issue if you never planned on using the knife. I'd say you got a Currahee for a good price, with a problem that could be solved with a little sharpening time.
 
swasenko said:
Irezumi was quick to respond and pleasant to deal with, up until I told him this knife wasn't factory fresh. Then he got irrate. Proving to me that I was right. I got a good price on the knife and would have bought it anyway, even if he told the truth. I just wanted him to admit he lied about it and I would let it go. I never asked for any money back. He did offer a full refund if I paid to ship it back. I shouldn't loose $20 to ship it to Australia because he falsely advertised it.

Seemed nice, but buyer be ware.
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swasenko said:
Some guys on here seem pretty pissed at me and some support me. I've been on the forums since 05 and never had a problem with anyone. I didn't mean Zu anything bad and wanted to put this up to see if he had support. Since alot of guys vouch for him he must be a good guy. Something wierd happened here and it's over. I didn't mean any disrepect by posting this and I thought that showed.
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swasenko said:
I apparently owe Zu and apology over the commotion this caused. I didn't think it would have.
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swasenko said:
I was nice from the beginning and remaind until the end.
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swasenko said:
Brian Jones, your comments seem to be the more unstable here.
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You called Brian's comments "unstable"?!?:confused: Amazing! I'm sure everyone here is looking forward to doing deals with you now.:jerkit:

3G
 
swasenko said:
You're right Broos. I'll do that.

Just so everyone won't question my honesty I went out and bought a $1000 camera to take pics. Here is the link. You can clearly see two bevels on the edge. Again, the knife won't even shave 1 hair. That's not a Microtech.

I am not saying it's Zu's fault. I believe him now and thanks to the guys who backed him up. But now everyone will know I was telling the truth.

I had some problems with them coming up small. Please make sure to view them in the full size.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9258747@N08/2299726117/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9258747@N08/2299724705/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9258747@N08/2299722777/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9258747@N08/2300521290/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Thanks
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looks like a factory edge to me FWIW,
 
Broos said:
I don't know that I agree with the consensus here. I guess the "no deal is done until both parties are satisfied" doesn't apply here? I have read many threads here where the seller is advised to do what is necessary to make this happen, but that is not what I am reading here.

If everyone thinks the OP's contention that the edge was not factory was not true, then I can see where you're coming from. But the OP's demeanour through this I think has been good, and unless you completely disbelieve his contention about the edge I don't know why the seller contributing $10 for return shipping is out of line.

If the OP's contention is true, than the seller should pay all of the return shipping.

The OP is being derided for "making a lowball offer", yet a deal was worked out, so in my opinion that is not a lowball offer.

I agree that some decent pictures of the edge in question would put it to rest.

Sounds to me like I need to rewrite a disclaimer the next time I want to sell a knife. "Not responsible for delivery unless you pay extra for insurance. Will refund cost of knife only if not happy - will not refund for for return shipping if you are unhappy with it or believe that I misrepresented the knife." Might be tough to make a sale.

Just my $.02

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edited considering the resolution - This should not have been posted in the first place - Props to you, Irezumi!
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a deal isnt done until both parties are happy OR until the seller offers to refund the money upon reciept of the knife back and the buyer doesnt wanna do that,

if ya arent happy, return the knife and get your money back, simple enough.
 
3Guardsmen said:
You called Brian's comments "unstable"?!?:confused: Amazing! I'm sure everyone here is looking forward to doing deals with you now.:jerkit:

3G
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Actually both of them handled themselves pretty well in this thread. Better than some of the normal crew that just have to comment in thread where they have absolutely no stake.

I would buy from either of these guys. The seller because he quickly offered a refund! Good on Him.

The Buyer because he pretty calmly identified a edge that clearly has two bevels and looks like it got touched on a fixed angled sharpener like a sharpmaker and the bevels did not line up. It was in GOOD faith advertised as factory fresh. If I bought this knife I would have engaged the seller in a conversation as well. ( not here)

I think the beef about return shipping does merit a dialog between the seller and buyer. I think going forward in my sales I will spell this out.

The biggest thing I came away from this thread with was a example of something distasteful I have noticed in the GB&U forum.

There are a handful of people sadly that live for disputes here, glory in the weakness or mistakes of others.

I often get a whiff of self-serving comments that focus in a sideways manner as much on the ego of the commenter as the issue at hand.

Often these threads only manage to back people into corners and make it so embarrassing to fix a error as to make it unlikely.

Great job OP and Seller for not getting drawn into the GB&U chest beating!


For Me despite my initial dislike of it...I think I will stick to ITRADER. At least its just between the stake holders and by its nature stays on topic.

If everybody did that there are more than a few folks that might just need to get a new hobby around here.
 
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