Is A Bussy Knife A ***** Knife?

[Frank Warren]

Overall, folks here have been more understanding than not. I had heard, from other sources, that the Busse was one heck of a knife. Thought I'd try one. Passed on the Basic 7 because the Steel Heart sounded cooler and it wasn't a budget buster, and had the Real Deal Miracle Steel.

From what I understand, I have a hell of a knife that does things different than what I thought it would do. I know of no place that sells Busse knives retail, only Andy. I saw the pics and thought, hmm, interesting. Try one.

Of course, one of the conventional complaints about a knife is that a) it's hard to resharpen and b) the edge does not last long. The friendly folks here are telling me - fighting is not what the knife is for. It's a cutter, a chopper, not a fighter. Andy is saying, you don't understand our terms (this is probably true; I'm not a knife collector per se).

It appears that I did not understand what the knife was for. All my complaints are basically about the limitations of the knife as a fighter. I need cutting tools as well and if half of what I read here after Andy's reply is true, I WANT this knife just as it is. If I can chop wood for an hour and still shave hair, it's too good to be true and I'll be very glad to have it.

As for fighting with a knife, I've not done that for 30 years, but always consider a knife a good up close weapon because I have used them successfully as such. Of course, 30 years ago is when knives were used as primary weapons instead of every kid, and his dog, having a high cap 9. And, realistically, I'm a bit old to be doing that anymore although I do like to have them around for nothing other than wishing I'd had one like that when it was useful to me as a fighter. And, no, my juvenile adventures were nothing to write home about. I survived, didn't get too many scars, and that was about the size of it.

Sorry to have bothered y'all. And many thanks for the heads-up on what the knife is for. My Cold Steel blades will not do what people have been relating a BM or SH doing in terms of raw edge retention.

 

[Andy Prisco]

You would NOT believe what just happened ...fortunately, my wife had my dig cam at her disposal, so I have pics to corroborate my story.

As I was walking down from my second story apartment here in suburban New Jersey to shovel some snow, a small brown bear confronted me on my porch

...fortunately, I had my 30/30 Lever Action, as I always take it shoveling in case of danger....

I greeted him at gunpoint.....

In a split second, the critter swiped the rifle from my grasp and it fell under the snow...I thought I was finsihed...I called to my wife, who I hoped would toss me my Cold Steel Trailmaster, as I prefer it knife combat...only problem was I forgot that in my last confrontation with a bear, the Kraton handle came off from his powerful claws, but I still thought the stick tang still felt good in my hand without the rubber handle

Instead, she threw me my Battle Mistress Variant....I was disappointed....but the Busse had to do.

I plunged my knife into the critter, hoping that the choil wouldn't get snagged on bone or muscle.

...fortunately, my knife was longer than the thickness of the bear's body, so the choil didn't get anywhere near his thick skin.

He died and I just cheated death once again.

This is just in good fun

....I appreciate Frank's comments, as everyone's here on the Busse Combat Forum and certainly know that Bear Attacks are serious business. ...just putting this issue in a fun light were we can all discuss opinions and issues without flames or tension.



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[Lane Dexter]

Don't go away, Frank. We need the thank you for starting the most active thread we've seen here in a while. On the whole, would you say this group averages more civilized than we've seen lately on 1911TechTalk? Of course, that one is calming down now.

I have the Steelheart II with straight handle. I intend to reserved final judgement until I've used it more. I do find I can chop a small tree with it. And the coating seems to reduce friction, so I can slice surprisingly well for such a thick knife.

I have a belt machine with a half worn out 800 grit belt. I'm going to try to keep that asymmetric edge as long as I can.

I like dropping a finger into the choil when trying to control the knife for fine work (that ideally should be done with a smaller knife), and I have thought about making a slight modification to the sharp corner at the back of the blade -- but I'll probably wait until I actually cut myself.

Hey, let's keep the discussion going. Fun for one and all. Happy New Year!

Lane

PS: Andy, that was GREAT! I'm still laughing! What a creative mind...

[This message has been edited by Lane Dexter (edited 12-30-2000).]

 

[Hoodoo]

Frank, I think you finally uncovered the flaw in your reasoning. There IS a difference between a fighting knife and what is now often called a combat knife (or even generally, a "survival knife"). The Busse line is not specifically designed for speed and knife fighting. I'm not sure how you came to that assumption, but it's just wrong. Period. You really need to judge the knife for what it was primarily designed for, not what you thought it was designed for. Note the new E line with the bent handle makes it more obvious that one of the primary purposes of Busse's is chopping. So, at the very least, if a big ol' bear comes around, instead of stabbing it, you can chop its head off. And the SH will still shave hair.

Good luck, Frank, and if you decide to get rid of the SH, never fear, there will be a line of people willing to take it off your hands.

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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM

 

[straightblastpfs]

Not sure where to begin.

As a person who has hunted and killed bear, let me say this: Anyone seeking to do so with a knife will report about it only through an obit written by a bystander who was carrying the gun. This is a non-issue. I have killed hogs and a dog with the Battle Mistress. It went in, it came out, the animal bled to death. With the dog, the damage to the head was immense and immediate. Fight over.

The tip-back on the SteelHeart is heavy. A Variant I have has a sharpened top edge back several inches. The uses are different. The CS Recon is a nice knife for the price. Use it for general field purposes, ie., prying, chopping, hammering on the back of as splitter, you will be disappointed. Tanto blades have a place, just as wood chisels have a place. Use it in its place, you will be satisfied. Not a big fan of the tanto blade, but that is just me.

As applied to knives, the term "fighter" has come to be recognized as a fairly specific class of knives. I will not judge the term, as most of the knives called a "fighter" are never fought with, unless of course "knife fighting" has come to mean practicing the pretty techniques taught on many video tapes of recent years. Not sure of the importance of some of those techniques, if the point of the fight is to not get cut, or dead.

In the hands of someone disciplined in maintaining the proper range, with the ability to get there and the fitness to stay there, a 3" Spyderco is far more of a fighting knife than is the dandiest damascus bowie in the hands of a dope. All objects with a sharp edge, in the hands of a motivated person [notice I left out the word "trained"], are deadly. This is shown by the number of deaths each year at the edge of a kitchen paring knife

For the non-believers, give your 8 year old a magic marker, tell her to come in and just mark you wherever she can...meanwhile use those expert trapping drills. Then count the marks on you...remembering that each would be bleeding in a real fight.

Frank, if you have fought with knives for 30 years, you are brilliantly successful, very well trained, and more than damn#d lucky...and you know it. I congratulate you, I think.

The sheath observation is, in my opinion, meaningless without first identifying the purpose of the blade. A blade that exits easily and fast will be lost in movements across rough terrain. A blade that will remain sheathed through a fall, roll, or as$-kicking humps will be more difficult to extract when needed...but it will be there when needed. For the Busse knives, and the way I use them, the sheaths are very good.

Happy New Year to each of you.

 

[Frank Warren]

Hey, Straightblast. I haven't fought with knives for 30 years. The LAST time I was in such an encounter was 30 years ago. Then I turned 21, did the smart thing, and got a gun. And, yes, I can hit the 10 ring on demand at 25 yards. I still consider the knife to be a useful backup. Also for the record, I have never started a fight in my life; I was the defender in all instances, and that gives one what appears to be to be an insuperable advantage if one knows what one is about and does the right kind of keep away.

One guy I did meet who was successful at offensive knife fighting hand a crippled left hand. His deal (he was Filipino) was to grab the incoming blade, lock it down against his palm, take the cut, and then do his deal. I always found it more profitable to stay just out of range and try to slash the weapon hand. If more presented itself, fine. If not, just stay back. A knife is not a gun. If the guy is beyond range he has to plant and expose or else trying running at you. Either one makes him vulnerable.

The easiest way not to get cut is to - stay away. I don't know beans from Kung Fu or fancy knife fighting styles. Mostly, I tried not to get cut or stabbed and staying back worked for me. It probably helped a lot that most people don't know what they are doing with a knife better than I do.

 

[MTF3]

Hey Killer-Andy...

You should of just stepped back and let Amy J. do her thang...She has all the trophies...

Isn't that the same bear that attacked your truck?

Do I need to send Amy J. a Stuffed Bear Filet recipe?

Nice Pics by the way....

 

[Lane Dexter]

Do any of you remember that news item some months back about the Russian woman who was cutting saplings with a knife when a bear attacked her from behind? She killed the bear with her knife, walked several miles to town, then because she was allergic to anaesthesia she just let them stitch up her torn scalp and skin without any painkiller.

My wife is a very big strong gal of German/Russian decent. Now I'm REALLY sure I don't want to get her mad...

I originally ordered my SHII because I wanted one big stout "indestructible" knife as part of my preps. Hey, once a Y2K doomer, always a doomer

...

The SHII is the first knife that makes me wonder if it's practical to go without a hatchet or small axe. I can actually chop things with it. If I had to do a lot of chopping, I'd sure want an axe. And if I had to do it with the Busse, I'd wear a glove.

I, too, have one of Cold Steel's "Shovels of Death." Had two, but gave one to a friend. If sharpened, they will work as sort of a cross between a (thin type) machete and a hatchet. And I can see where they could be a nastier weapon than the average knife -- lots more reach, for sure.

Since I have already let my younger son use the SHII to split kindling by whacking it with another piece of wood, I'll try to continue hard use, and see how well the coating holds up.

The "more knife for the money" issue is hard to nail down. If a Busse costs twice what, for example, one pays for a similar Cold Steel, it will take some time before the owner knows if he's got "twice the knife." I think we all know there's a point of diminishing returns somewhere. Each of us has to decide where.

I'd say the Busse knife is my top end for a "user." I'm not likely to pay more for just a using tool, but I wanted one I could really count on. If I was a collector (and had a sock full of money), I'd buy knives in the four figure range.

Most of us don't test our knives under sustained hard use, so I sure enjoy the comparisons I read here.

Andy explained to me about the "skinning" of the finish on the spine of my SHII. Would it be sacrilege if I spray painted it flat black, to have a "subdued" knife in the woods?

Happy New Year, New Century, New Millenium... and many more new knives, we hope.

Lane

 

[crowinghorse]

I recently ordered a SH-E Varient from Andy to be delivered to me before I deploy for overseas. Andy has let me help design (over and over

) the blade features. I am in a Trailer Plt. with the Marines. We provide security for Force Recon and SEALs when they do a direct action, goplat, or vbss mission. We hit hard, hit fast, and carry as much stuff as we can pack on our vests and suits (we don't carry packs). I personally carry a 240G (7.62 Machinegun) on direct action missions. If I have to fight with my knife, something is SERIOUSLY wrong. I use the SH (I have owned one previously) to do every job imaginable...and it can not be beaten...
But I do like my Mad Dog ATAK too...
LCpl. Horsley



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Fear and Bullets."

 

[Dr.V]

Crowinghorse/Andy,
I'm interested in your design for the variant. I need some ideas for something I'm cooking up...talk to ya soon Andy.

Nice pics Andy!

Rich

[This message has been edited by Dr.V (edited 12-30-2000).]

 

[matthew rapaport]

I'm no knife fighter, nor have I military experience. Yet its pretty obvious that the SH II (I have a pre-INFI with handle offset 5deg. still obviously designed for chopping) is not a "fighting knife" which must be lithe and responsive, well balanced, which the busse is not...

The tool should fit the job. I got a busse because I was impressed by what it represented, the "if I have only one knife to do it all anywhere I might end up" style survival knife. I agree with others here concerning the distinction between "combat knife" and "fighting knife". Sure a soldier might have to fight with his "combat knife", but that is not typically the case, while it is the case that this knife will have to do just about everything EXCEPT fight almost all the time.

Personally, I think the kydex sheath that came with my knife was a little crude for the price of the blade, but it has proven very functional. I love the choil. It is one of those features that makes an otherwise too-heavy too-forward weighted pure chopper actually useful and comfortable for other jobs. I've used it a lot to de-limb poles and for whittling points, as well as camp chores such as cleaning fish and game, making trap triggers, etc.

Have to admit though, that while I think its a well designed knife, its a little too much tool for me. I do a lot of walking and trail climbing in the woods, and the SHII is just way too heavy to ever be considered for carry the way I travel in the wilderness. Perhaps someone would care to address the design goal of the SHII's 1/4 thickness. My inclination is to say that there is a reasonable expectation of heavy duty prying in the mission envisioned for that knife, because that is surely the only justification for that thickness... Or am I missing something?

 

[Frank Warren]

Matt, a few remarks from someone who had experience in fighting with a knife and with the military experience. Nobody in his right mind (or without more macho than brains) sets out to fight with a knife. Those who use a knife to harm others are either defenders who are surprised by the assault, or would-be assassins, or are military people in a fluid fight where the lines have mixed, magazines have run dry, it's too close and sudden to fix bayonet and you pull your knife and do what you can. Literally, with a knife, if you can give one you WILL take one. You latch on and it's a nightmare from there on out. Having prevailed in a few youthful encounters, I have faith in the knife as a weapon but if I had a chance to see it about to happen, hey, I'd just let the guy call me a coward later while I was enjoying a cold one at home. In non-fatal knife action, muscles, tendons, nerves and and all that get badly severed. I managed to avoid this, but not by much; I was one lucky little sob when I was young.

Thus, knife encounters are almost always unplanned unless one is acting as an assassin or is moving with complete surprise. I've been through enough, and seen enough more, to know that knives have NO stopping power.

Thus, at the "moment of truth" one draws what one has. And it should, for the military man, be of as general purpose as possible, with NO choil, NO sawback or cutouts on the non-sharp edge, none of this RAMBO noise.

As for technique, if one gets surprised, (again, if the attack can be foreseen, just get OUT of there), that is a highly personal matter and depends on one's mind-set, body shape, fitness level and what one is personally comfortable with.

After considering remarks here carefully, I consider the Busse Combat to be entirely useless for combat, which always includes the risk of having to use the point in fighting. As a woods survival knife, it may well be one of the best things since the Bowie itself. With a fold-up hone in the sheath, I think (if my woodsmanship is up to it) the knife would do wonders for me in the midst of nowhere. It won't dull, break or fail in any foreseeable way.

Knives made for fighting only are designed for insertions and are often too frail to use as a general purpose survival knife.

I think the worst feature of Busse Combat is that finger cutout, or choil. If the Steel Heart is too big for you, get a Variant with no cutout for combat use in the Natural Outlaw style. The width of the Busse blade guarantees that insertions will be almost always fatal, even at a 6 inch depth.

Weight of a knife for fighting is not so much the issue if one has sufficient strength to do any kind of insertion or cutting damage at all. I do not find the weight of the Busse excessive.

If I were young enough again to go to war, I'd want a blade with the ruggedness of the Busse Combat; I'd just want a Variant without the choil. Then I'd have something I could unreservedly use for all purposes from hacking at ammo crates to sticking into an adversary who, like me, had run dry with his rifle and it's down to fists, feet, knives, rifles as clubs and short spears if one can find and attach the bayonet in reasonable time.

Busse Combat seems to be taking the attitude that a "combat" knife is only a tool and never really a fighting implement. I differ with this; warfare is REALLY confusing, and all situations arise if one lives in a state of combat for long.

The point is that the weight (required to have enough steel for real toughness) is not a hinderance when things get tough. It guarantees that one continues to hold a great knife in one's hand instead of something that has broken.

for what it's worth. And, of course, your mileage is virtually guaranteed to vary.

 

[Andy Prisco]

....thought it would be appropriate to list some popular combat knives and makers which include fighting application in the design, that all have a choil, or finger cut outs, for safe placement of the index finger in front of the cutting edge, that is clearly cut higher than the edge bevel itself...possibly allowing for a hang on insertion.

These knives are not "fighting" knives, but have extensive testimonials in knife fighting application among their owners from various branches of military and paramilitary service.

Busse Combat...almost all of them.
Walter Brend, Model 2 & 5
Randall Model 1, 2, and 14 (cutouts are small and rectangular, but there)
SOG Bowies..original and new (cutouts are small and rectangular, but there)
Gerber, BMF, LMF, and Bowie
Al Mar Grunt
Blackjack Mamba
Camillus Magnum Camp, designed by Jerry Fisk
Jim Hammond, FleshEater
...these are just a few.

It's important to point out that Busse Combat does not take the attitude that their knives won't be used in a fight....they just don't feel the choil is that significant an issue for fighting that it be omitted....I suspect the makers listed above feel the same.

Are there as many makers and models that exclude finger cut outs...sure. Does Busse maintain the prerogative to include them based on their experience? Of course. Are folks allowed to disagree? Sure.

Has Busse Combat been overwhelmed with customer requests to omit finger cut outs because they can cause insertion hangs? Well...the Team got its first one yesterday!!

And, you know what? It's OK.

Frank...got your e-mail on the Variant..we will put it to bed on Tuesday

Talk to you then.



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Andy Prisco, Manager
Sharper Instinct, LLC
Phone: 1-201-493-2469
Orders-Toll Free: 1-877-557-5200
Fax: 1-201-493-2039
Visa/Mastercard Accepted

Authorized Dealers:
Busse Combat Knives

Busse Combat Custom Variant HeadQuarters
http://www.sharperinstinct.com/hq

Sharper Instinct Main Website
http://www.sharperinstinct.com/

 

[lifter4Him]

The last issue of Knives Illustrated had a story and pics of a 69 year old man who killed a bear with a Buck 110 in Kodiak,Alaska.Seems that with fewer salmon available that the bears have learned that a gunshot usually means a down deer. The guys gun was too far away when the bear attcked. He won but he sure was ripped up.
Hey Andy, did that bear have my suction cup arrow stuck to his rear end? Looks like the one I spotted in Hackensack. I started to trail him but he was bleeding white stuffing and I lost the trail in the snow.

Have a safe and healthy New Year's friends!

 

[Frank Warren]

Lifter. I'm surprised a gentleman of that age was able to prevail. As for cut up bad, hey, tangle with a bear and one typically needs a few hundred stitches about the head and face. Bears maul one badly but seem to attack human beings like they were smaller bears in fights for territorial dominance, apart from that one that Andy fought. That one was so deferential I found it hard to believe.

I hate to say it but I think Andy attacked a tame bear just to keep the flame factor down. PETA will be calling, Andy. It's okay for us to stab one another, but The Animals Are Sacred. Oh, Andy are YOU in trouble. Nubile young females will parade around in front of your office naked in the snow to protest your actions. They will be holding signs saying "Wear your bare skin, not bear skin" and "Prevent choil cruelty."

Could you send us all videotapes?

 

[lifter4Him]

Hey, I'm a big member of PETA!!!

People Eating Tasty Animals!!!


The 69 yr old guy was torn up pretty bad. I probably wouldn't have believed it if there hadn't been pics. I should mention that after the bear was finally down he did shoot it to make sure he was dead. He had to actually move his hanging skin off the breach of his weapon to shoot. He did quite a bit of praying during the whole ordeal so IMO there was more than luck involved.
If anyone's interested, I can try to scan the article later and post it.
BTW-this is the really unbelievable part. The reason the bears are so hungry in Alaska is that the fishing boats(not American) have nets that are 20 MILES wide now and very few salmon actually reach Alaska. The greed of man.

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I Can Do All Things Through Him Who Strengthens Me
Lifter at work: www.profitness.com/Profiles/profileDaveAbramson

 

[Parker]

Frank, for the record Cold Steel has made knives with a Choil. The original (1980s) Trail Masters had a really nice multi-faceted choil and it is one of the things I miss from my original TM I hadda get rid of a few years back. The choil was omitted on the TM revision orignally made in Japan Lynn was selling off cheap in the late 80s- early 90s, about the time the Carbon V Recon Tanto was starting to grace our presence.

Somewhere about the same time Busse started advertising the Mean Street and Steel Heart, Combat Recruit, Lil Ugly et all. (okay, I've led a pointedly pointless life as a knife geek...)

CS and Busse both have changed the way lots of people think about knives. I wish CS did not make such crappy sheaths and had the sense to put a Border Patrol type handle on the Tanto made of Canvas Micarta. I wish Busse could make a sheath working well IWB for the MS or Basic Three, and I wish the Basic five had a handl big enough to handle the torque a solid reverse grip will place on it (say the handle of a seven, which ot my taste is too small for the seven blade?)

My MS and Basic will likely get resheathed soon by Frank Sigman or someone like him, or the MS will get sold.

The CS Recon Tanto will get a new handle and sheath from someone, maybe Sunrise Knives.

Bear Attacks? You lead a busier life than I do, but take the Busse out and beat on it a bit. If you really wanna kill things with a knife, go have a big bowie with a very nasty point made by Bill Bagwell. Tell him Parker Wentzel sent you. He will appreciate it. Tell himn I say hello and will call soon. Or get yourself a SERE VII

I love my bowie, but it is damn specialized for such application. For general use though, even he (Bill) admits the Belle is not the way to go and he has been building fighting and kiling knives for about 30 years. If you want a general purpose knife, you have a great one. Not my direct choice, but a great on all the same!

Take my pocket change of advice/ input and do what you want with it, not my business. On the other hand thanks for bringing this topic out in the open. For my use the choil on the MS is not going to get in my way, but it is apreciated that you are willing to drop this in the open like you have.

As for the resale issue guys, I have often noticed that BFC is a sort of "knife o' the month" club and I myself have been a party to that club at times. "The quest for the Ultimate Sebenza" or something similarly ridiculous is a good way to spend our time, and there is always someone who wants what you have more than you do.

Have a good new year all, and Andy, dammit if I do not own half of that list you placed open for example (Fisk Magnum, Randall...etc!)

parker

 

[Frank Warren]

Parker - how do I contact Bill Bagwell? You have a phone number or address where I can write? And I remind Andy, as well as other folks here, that apart from a single shot Hawken rifle, a knife was the ONLY reliable repeating weapon of any power prior to the Civil War besides the tomahawk. When the bear took offense, if the first shot didn't cut it, one pulled out the knife and did what one could.

Andy, don't be so defensive about the choil. It's too deep for my tastes, I believe it will hang up, and if I really wanna fix it, I get either a Variant without the choil or else I sharpen it carefully so it can cut its way out. The answer to a dull part one does not like is, ah, duh, sharpen it. That makes it useless as a finger hold but eliminates my main objection. I really do believe fighting knives should be sharp right up to the hilt if it can be arranged, at least on one side. ALL European thrust weapons have been double-edged from Day One because single edge was tried and didn't work so well on anything other than a fairly short knife blade.

If one PLANS on making insertions, still nothing beats a double edge.

I am arguing for a backwoods survival knife to be an all-around tool. Obviously Jerry Busse and I have different ideas on what that entails - which is fine and to be expected. It is why custom knife makers stay in business, and why I'm asking for Bill Bagwell's phone or address.

And I'm not saying the Busse is a bad knife, just that there is a feature on it which I find arguable on a combat knife.

Hang on a minute, folks. I'm going to go abuse my Steel Heart. It's about to have a Close Encounter or a few dozen.

Back from Test Time!

It was the Busse Steel Heart versus the Recon Scout. Take wood sitting in the weather for over a year and whack it! Chop chop!

Cold Steel wins. I whacked both edges, in the middle of the blade, into the wood as forcefully as I could for three dozen slams each. Both blades show marring on the black blade coating, about equal on both blades. But the Cold Steel lost less edge doing it, including a dozen strokes into a knotty area on the wood. The Cold Steel coating, being fired epoxy, also held up better. The Busse coating wore at contact. On the CS, the WOOD impregnated itself onto the epoxy and then came off with fingernail pressure and a little water.

I'm not sure what to think.

The Recon Scout didn't lose much apparent edge compared to the Steel Heart. The Cold Steel was more comfortable doing it (no parrot beak which really got into my hand at the end of the stroke). I used a straight-in stroke with the Busse and whipped the CS into the wood oriental-style since the hilt allowed me to do so. This should have equalized edge stresses if not increasing them on the CS knife due to higher impact velocities and nearly equal weight on the blade.

Much to my surprise, I got better cuts with the Recon Scout and got more chips off of things despite its light hilt. Perhaps that is because I am unused to the Busse hilt and how to use it (one must NEVER discount user error or inexperience). I had less control with the Busse, I think, although it cut deeper on each stroke. This is a very odd result and I have to think it is me.

Andy? How do I sharpen the edge again? I'm not sure which side to stroke just by looking at it.

The Busse is rugged, though. Chopping on that wood is HARDER than chopping live bone. The strokes I took with either knife would have been sufficient to saw through a femur.

The Steel Heart has been used hard. Perhaps it had a bit of wire edge on it from the factory. These are both excellent knives but today's slam-fest gave the edge to the CS.

 

[Lane Dexter]

Now ya did it, Frank. I thought this thread was cooling down. Now there will be legions of Busse fans out chopping things like crazy. Of course, they have have to go buy some CS products for comparison, so you've boosted that segment of the economy...

I'm predicting results of chopfests posted here very soon.

Hey, Happy New Year/Century/Milennium to all -- but when you get back to work, it will just be same old s***, different day...

Celebrate (relatively) Sanely

Lane

 

[Chip]

Lane,
You have no idea, how true your words are to me "same s--t, different day"

Take care,
Chip (Wastewater Treatment Plant Operator)

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