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Yup, I pretty much instantly move on if F&F or net to me are contained in the thread. Avoiding those who would steal from Paypal very likely helps me avoid those that would steal from me.
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Is it me? re: net sales...
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Gastonknife
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I am not a fan of "net to me". I do not do it when I sell, as it is against the paypal agreement I agreed to. Why not just post the price you want - it makes it very simple and avoids an unethical practice. People can choose how to sell and what price to ask in the end however. Every day people can choose to do things the right way, or not. A long time ago I heard the term "If it is not right, it's wrong". That is what is being argued here. Not sure how one can admit they violate something they commit to and then double down on it over and over; essentially arguing that doing wrong is ok. If you do not like it - then ____ you. Very nice. Now PP FF is even more unethical, as that is just flat stealing from PP. (I do not like some of the things PP does, but when you use them - then follow the rules you committed to). The more I think about it the more I do agree that if someone will steal from PP and not honor their agreement; then they do have somewhat of a character flaw. Will they steal from me? Probably not, but who knows what the future holds.
I actually see your viewpoint and don't disagree with it however I think a different way. I think if I pay some F&F for example it's not ripping Paypal off. It's 2 people choosing to trust each other. It to me is no different then saying you will only accept a check or MO for payment. There is trust involved. Is skirting the Paypal system maybe a grey area? Sure that could be argued but I wouldn't call it stealing. That's just me. This point could be argued to no end. Sure, could I have explain my point differently? Yes. Could I not have cussed? Sure. I'm not politically correct nor do I claim to have a filter so I say it like it is. If people get offended then that's on them. They take what I say as they want. If they don't want to deal with me because they think I am a cheat then so be it. If they don't like most posts then so be it. I just let my feedback and what others have said who have done transactions with me speak louder than my own words
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I think City74 needs to pay for a Dealers Membership as he is using BF forum to move goods almost
on a daily or weekly bases.. Thinking that might be considered a business or require a dealers memebership.?
Unbelievable how defensive one gets when MANY MANY speak the truth and let others
aware of things others and yourself are doing
Have you thought for a moment: the hundreds if not thousands of people that read
this thread and how you are acting and reacting are going to potentially steer clear from you now?
Your upset because someone brought this up..YOU..Yes you chose to pipe in and the STORM on you
with your responses unraveled..
All I can say is """WOW""".....
Your arrogance amazes me and speaks in volumes of your Character and Integrity
or lack there of..
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Oh sorry another opinion added to this S%$#storm of a thread that has developed
mostly focused on City74 now.. When it seemed to be merely a interest and a Q & A thread.
Guessing if you can sleep at nite..Its all good for you..No harm no foul
Hoping many read this and take what they wish and still have a positive outlook on BF..
One person with this attitude to make a buck should not detour others from enjoying
our forum...
on a daily or weekly bases.. Thinking that might be considered a business or require a dealers memebership.?
Unbelievable how defensive one gets when MANY MANY speak the truth and let others
aware of things others and yourself are doing
Have you thought for a moment: the hundreds if not thousands of people that read
this thread and how you are acting and reacting are going to potentially steer clear from you now?
Your upset because someone brought this up..YOU..Yes you chose to pipe in and the STORM on you
with your responses unraveled..
All I can say is """WOW""".....
Your arrogance amazes me and speaks in volumes of your Character and Integrity
or lack there of..
.
Oh sorry another opinion added to this S%$#storm of a thread that has developed
mostly focused on City74 now.. When it seemed to be merely a interest and a Q & A thread.
Guessing if you can sleep at nite..Its all good for you..No harm no foul
Hoping many read this and take what they wish and still have a positive outlook on BF..
One person with this attitude to make a buck should not detour others from enjoying
our forum...
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Most people who steal think "a different way". That's how they rationalize their behaviour.
When you use PayPal you're using a service, they're not a charity, they're an actual business that you entered into an agreement with. Using that service without paying for it is a theft of services, attempting to excuse or rationalize your theft is simply that. You are a thief. Can't be any plainer or more straight forward than that. What's amusing is you trying to both play the tough guy as well as the rational guy. You're neither. You're simply a thief.
You aren't going to be around here much longer, enjoy your time while you can.
Most people who steal think "a different way". That's how they rationalize their behaviour.
When you use PayPal you're using a service, they're not a charity, they're an actual business that you entered into an agreement with. Using that service without paying for it is a theft of services, attempting to excuse or rationalize your theft is simply that. You are a thief. Can't be any plainer or more straight forward than that. What's amusing is you trying to both play the tough guy as well as the rational guy. You're neither. You're simply a thief.
You aren't going to be around here much longer, enjoy your time while you can.
That's your view. I have tons of people who have no issue paying however we both see fit and also there are TONS of people here who say gift or net for payments. So your saying this website is just a bunch of thieves and people ripping each other off? Then why are you a member?
As I said before ur doesnt matter if people on a forum like me. That's not even on my list of life's worries. If you don't like me you have the choice to ignore also. I'm not sure how clear I can make all that again and again. Nobody forces anyone to do business with me. If I lost sales for what I have said so be it. It's not like any of ya have bought from me anyways and as for future sales oh well the world could end tonight and I wouldn't sell to you anyways. I'm not going to apologize for being me. If you don't like someone who "calls the kettle black" then I am sure you can find the ignore button
As I said before ur doesnt matter if people on a forum like me. That's not even on my list of life's worries. If you don't like me you have the choice to ignore also. I'm not sure how clear I can make all that again and again. Nobody forces anyone to do business with me. If I lost sales for what I have said so be it. It's not like any of ya have bought from me anyways and as for future sales oh well the world could end tonight and I wouldn't sell to you anyways. I'm not going to apologize for being me. If you don't like someone who "calls the kettle black" then I am sure you can find the ignore button
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Nope. It is NOT a gray area. Every time you accept payment for goods via F&F, it is theft, pure and simple. You are REPEATEDLY conducting business using a company's services without paying for those services. i.e., THEFT OF SERVICES - the electronic transfer of funds from one person to another USING THE COMPANY'S RESOURCES without paying for them. You say you don't call it theft. I say it can't honestly be called anything but theft.
Not a meltdown at all. I disagree with most of these people as would the several hundred or so on this site alone who do things like I do. If you think I am a thief fine don't do business with me. Again I can let the over 2000 feedback I have online all 100% as proof I do things right. Call me what you will it truly doesn't matter. My life will go on. I will still sell stuff time to time online and I will still be happy to be me and my customers will be happy they dealt with me and got a deal and their item in a timely matter
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Man, your logic is hilarious. And by hilarious, I mean so foolish it is funny.
This particular post was starting to sound more reasonable until I got to the middle. Here: '" Is skirting the Paypal system maybe a grey area? Sure that could be argued but I wouldn't call it stealing. That's just me. This point could be argued to no end. Sure, could I have explain my point differently? Yes. Could I not have cussed? Sure. I'm not politically correct nor do I claim to have a filter so I say it like it is. If people get offended then that's on them. They take what I say as they want."""
This is the classic dodge of those who say and do inappropriate things. "Well, excuse me" I'm not politically correct" It's not my fault if you don't like my use of vulgarity it's your fault. What a bunch of crap.
Buzz off. < appropriate word used in lieu of profanity.
Ok now I'm seriously bored with this. You all have called me whatever names you felt right and so be it. It doesn't change anything and won't. I will do business as I wish and you will choose not to buy. I'm fine with that. Be fine with your choice. Time to leave it alone from both sides, it's truly boring.
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Because I'm feeling unusually generous today, I'm going to explain your failure of logic with an analogy. Your accepting f&f for goods and services is analogous to going to a store, giving it cash for a money order, and paying the fee for the money order with a bad check. If and when you understand that, you'll understand why your actions are, in fact, theft. You're welcome.
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You already dug your own hole buddy. You may
leave it alone. You will be back to try defend your
shady practices. Youve proven you have to continually
try to defend your inappropriate practices.
And Im quite
Certain by the crap storm still flowing in here. Your list of
members in here will and evidently change by how you have
handled this.
I reread this whole thread. It is very apparent you brought
this on yourself by your justification of your sales practice and how
you give a crap of what all that piped in feel.
Its actually sad how you handled this entire thing
leave it alone. You will be back to try defend your
shady practices. Youve proven you have to continually
try to defend your inappropriate practices.
And Im quite
Certain by the crap storm still flowing in here. Your list of
members in here will and evidently change by how you have
handled this.
I reread this whole thread. It is very apparent you brought
this on yourself by your justification of your sales practice and how
you give a crap of what all that piped in feel.
Its actually sad how you handled this entire thing
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What are your thoughts on the analogy I posted above?
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