Is spyderco behind now?

jonnyt16 said:
Actually, alot of Spyderco's knives are made outside of US borders, not just their Byrd line.

Anyway, I may not agree with thedawg but he is entitled to his opinions just as much as we are and I don't think we should resort to calling him names no matter how much you disagree with him. After all, this is a forum where different thoughts and views can be expressed isn't it?
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Thanks jonnyt16 .
 
SharpOne said:
I once again have to disagree with you. Without a good design, a knife's functionality is doomed to fail. You can have the best-styled knife in the world, but if its design is flawed, then the best-styled knife that you have is no longer a knife but rather a stylish POS that only looks pretty.

"website"... It's "Web site". It's not about a company's Web site that determines the quality of their products. It's about a company's products and customer service that either makes or breaks a company's success.
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1- of course the knife should be designed well. But styling is important.
2- to most people in the world nowadays, the company IS the website. No matter how professional you are, try going to a business meeting in a cosy jumper instead of a nice suite.
 
thedawg said:
Yes Sal is very ethical but the question is( Is spyderco loosing its edge?)
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Not sure what will satisfy you. The question has been answered numerous times in the nine pages of posts; even by Sal himself.

Personally, I think all you are really interested in, is the number of pages generated in this thread.
 
thedawg said:
Actually, that was the title of the thread....
Is spyderco falling behind...?

I stated my reasons for thinking that they are.. Most of there new models of the last couple of years were not a success. ATR, Manix, R model, Persian,gunting,Ronin,dodo,streach,Caly, etc.

Some of those had some success but not enough to continue production and are getting axed.

Thanks
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the persian is one of my favorites of all my folders the Police i carried for 14 yrs in my pocket everyday ..why ? It never went dull with lots of abuse and i never needed to buy another i was totally happy with it ..
totally bummed they couldnt fix the blade but it made me buy another spydie and now want a few more after seeing all the other styles i missed out on ...

non of my benchmades or old shrades ever felt or worked like my old Police or Persian .. although they do have their proper uses as well .

what ever they are doing i hope they keep it up . still looking for another Police >>i was just outbidded lol
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
wow, a Platonic quote found on the Internet. You are valuable now. . .

Oh, wait. . . this is a Knife forum. :D

Besides, the best Plato quote is:


He was a wise man who invented beer.
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Since you already know where to find quotes, perhaps you can try comprehending and applying them to a variety of situations. And not just the ones about beer.
 
Rat and Alek,

Perhaps both of you need to stay on topic or post in W&C and have at it.
(another hint that should be followed.)
 
Bastid said:
Rat and Alek,

Perhaps both of you need to stay on topic or post in W&C and have at it.
(another hint that should be followed.)
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Yes, perhaps everybody should focus on substantively addressing the issues and questions raised by the thread-starter, rather than sooking or trying to shoot the guy down with petty arrogance and cynicism.

Sal's posts are a great example of how you can stand up for Spyderco in a meaninful and credible way. If people have nothing meaningful to add to the discussion, they should at least refrain from posting hollow, self-serving, ''I must say something to show how smart and hardcore I am" nonsense. That's a problem with most internet forums, but I was hoping it wouldn't be the case with this one, when I joined.
 
theoldawg said:
Not sure what will satisfy you. The question has been answered numerous times in the nine pages of posts; even by Sal himself.

Personally, I think all you are really interested in, is the number of pages generated in this thread.
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:thumbup: I agree. The questions have all been answered as well as they possibly can, with even the CEO of Spyderco weighing in.

The fact that the topic starter refuses to address Sal or anybody else that has given him good information and answers, and opts rather to bicker with the people he's offended shows the true nature of the topic starter and the thread itself. I certainly think those infractions were earned at this point, and that the thread needs to die. The Dawg is just trolling.
 
Slatts said:
Disagree. The knife world has a lot to thank Spyderco for.....i.e. round opening hole, pocket clip. They were also the first production company to get blade serrations right. Their innovations continue as they make their older models better, like the evolution of the Calypso Jr. to Caly 3, which everyone raves about.

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The knife world is full of round holes and other opening mechanisms NOW. The knife whorl is full of pocket clips NOW. NOW is the operative word here.

The knife world is full of functional knives like spydercos. Also, The knife whorld is full of specialized knives that spyderco pioneered.

So What NOW. Do you get me?

I have the caly 3. I like it. its a well thought knife.
 
Lock this thread! It's pretty obvious that thedawg is trying to see how many pages he can squeeze out of this topic, despite the fact that his question has been answered numerous times already. I've noticed a few members also realizing that all thedawg wants to do is keep his topic on top. END IT NOW.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Dawg,

Thanx for your input. Appreciate. I guess "falling behind lately" has a lot to do with what you thnk is "lately" and what is "falling behind".

We're a small company and we always do our best. I am the CEO, (but I'm still putting in 50 - 60 hours per week) and we have a small staff of managers. Eric and I do most of the designs.

I will readily agree that Kershaw, Benchmade and Cold Steel make far more money than Spyderco. We are smaller company, but we also tend to spend money on "other" areas.

Our WTC project was non-profit. The monthly lottery that we do for our troops with the OIF and OEF models is non-profit. Our "Whale-Rescue-blades" are non profit. The 30 minute phone cards that we just made for our troops is non-profit. We support our local community. We try to take good care of our crew (42 people). From our point of view, there is more to business than just getting big or making profit.

We've "lately" created a line of H1 products.
We've "lately" developed an entire line of "byrd" brand product.
We've "lately" introduced a variety of ZDP-189 models.
We've "lately" begun developing autos and butterfly's.
We've developed a variety of "waved" products in collaboration with
Emerson Knives.
We "lately" invened a few new locking mechanisms.
We experiment with more steels than other companies.
We usually have 4 or 5 collaboration models out and in the works.
We're always improving and refining our core models.

I don't know if that is "ahead" or "behind" anyone else, but it does represent a great deal of work on our part.

"Style" is a matter of personal preference. I will admit that "style" is probably given more attention with Kershaw, Benchmade and Cold Steel. We'll not sacrifice performance or function for style.

Thanx again for the input, we'll consider your thoughts.

Hi Tummier,

Sorry for your bad experience. I'm sure we offered you a credit on a new knife. I don't remember an "ass chewing" from you, but I'v had a few.

Perhaps we'll get another iopportunity in the future to win you over.

sal
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Hi Sal,

Sir, the things you do for the troops are commendable. Also the things for nature.

However, you would be able to offer more of the knife enthusiasts if you have more profit and more sales.

I am not saying the company is not making profit, I am just saying that it seems behind other companies that are not as old as spyderco. Also The models and styling seems way behind those companies. at least to me.

Thank you for your reply to this thread and sorry for any inconvenience. Sometimes, its good to hear what we do not want to hear. It helps us get out of our comfort zone a little.

thanks
 
SharpOne said:
Lock this thread! It's pretty obvious that thedawg is trying to see how many pages he can squeeze out of this topic, despite the fact that his question has been answered numerous times already. I've noticed a few members also realizing that all thedawg wants to do is keep his topic on top. END IT NOW.
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I am skipping many comments that I would like to reply to, to answer you.

I believe this is a good thread. If nothing comes out of it except Sal saying they will look at their website, I am happy.

It would be great if they refurbish their website because of this thread.

As for you saying i am interested in the number of pages...If it is good discussion than my answer is yes. If it is just pages of your reply type than NO.

There are mods watching this thread very carefully, let them do their job.
 
thedawg said:
Hi Sal,

Sir, the things you do for the troops are commendable. Also the things for nature.

However, you would be able to offer more of the knife enthusiasts if you have more profit and more sales.

I am not saying the company is not making profit, I am just saying that it seems behind other companies that are not as old as spyderco. Also The models and styling seems way behind those companies. at least to me.

Thank you for your reply to this thread and sorry for any inconvenience. Sometimes, its good to hear what we do not want to hear. It helps us get out of our comfort zone a little.

thanks
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I for one don't see much of an issue with what thedawg is saying. It's his opinion and he stands by it. I absolutely DISAGREE with his opinion considering the points he's trying to make, but I respect it.

I honestly think he believes he has a point and he's trying to discuss it among other knife enthusiasts. I'm having the hardest time trying to follow the logic though.

If we're considering innovation in functionality as opposed to aesthetics, I honestly think Spyderco is ahead of the curve. They seem to me to work with more new high end steels, new lock mechanisms and new overall designs.
 
marenoa said:
I actually don´t think dawg was aggressive or anything, he just expressed what he thoughht, putting that aside, I have a few Spydies, great blades, good quality and all. But I tend to also believe that...............hm. how should I put so no one thinks this is an attack.

Spyderco has more potential, I think you can actually give more. I was used to see your blades as out of the box, really good, functional and original, and lately, they still remain very good (actually better), quite functional, but not so original.

Btw is the Chinook dead? I had one an lost and i was thinking of getting another.

do not take this as an attack cuz it isn't.


Alejandro
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I agree, Spyderco is not as origional. also fit and finish is sometimes not as good.
 
Hi Dawg,

Still not sure of what you are asking?

We're developing the H1 line as fast as we can. Fixed blade Dive knives, utility fixed blades, a camp model, an all stainless folder, plus a few more.

Our Seki makers and our Golden factory are at capacity. Knives like the Caly3 are not simple to make. quality and materials are very high.

We use more exotic steels than Kershaw, Benchmade and Cold Steel.

We don't have the "spring loaded knives" offered by our Oregonian competition. but we do have plans there. Our auto / butterfly offerings are waiting on some Colorado legal details. (Citadels, Samaritan, Embassy, BiFold, Smallfly, Szabofly)

I think we're way ahead of the market in non-locking, one-hand-open, clip-carry folders.

We have many loyal customers worldwide that we extend our best effort to serve. We have a good reputation worldwide.

We have a good relationship with a few forums with which we try to share information.

We have good relationships with many high quality foundries.

As far as age is concerned :confused:

We were selling Pacific Cutlery balisongs (Benchmade) years before we designed and made our own knives. Kershaw was making knives many years before Spyderco, as was Cold Steel. I will say that they have followed our lead more than once.

We have a number of newer concepts in the works, but I really don't want to say anything until launch.

I do not agree with you that websites make the company, but other than our website, I'm still not undertanding what you would like us to do; more or better?

I'm not sure of what you mean by comfort zone. I don't think I'm ever in a comfort zone. Competition is fierce and we're always trying to think ahead.

sal
 
eb07 said:
I carried a spyderco delica clipit first generation for over 12 years as my EDC. The tip finally broke on it, just a bit but enough to make me go look for a new knife. I went to look at the new delicas to replace it and I hated the clip ( mine was molded into the knife and was sturdy, the new ones have screws and light weight metal that will surely bend) and the handle design ( mine was simple and the new one was too busy).

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Same here. I've still got a first-gen delica with the plastic clip that's part of the handle. My tip broke about five years ago but I just rounded it a bit and still EDC it about half the time. I've come to like the rounded tip more and more as it's a great screwdriver and way better pry-er than it was when it was pointed. It's got that rescue-ish 'won't-stab-yourself' thing going on too, which is always nice.

Yeah, I'd wish they hadn't changed the clip design either.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hey Dawg,

Which Spyderco' designs have you owned and used?

sal
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Hi Sal,

Even if I have never held a spyderco, my opinion as a (window-shopper) could be of interest to you. You could ask what what is holding me back from buying spydercos.

Having said that, and in answer to your question, I have:

1-a ladybug FRN with VG10, on my key chain.
2- a Caly3 vg10 (good knife).
3- Had a military. gave it away.
4-Had a manix (full size) and gave it away.

I really think you should re do the mily. I know there is one in the works with a different lock. About time. This step should have been done a long time ago.

Sal, have you ever handled the 710 by benchmade?

The manix is a strong knife well built but it seriously lacks style. Have you handled the rukus by BM?

Also, look at the mini cyclone by Kershaw.

As for the website, I know the website is not the company. BUT, to the end user some where in the world who has no idea what spyderco is and what the company is doing, the website is the company.

I hope you come up with a new website , maybe a new image. Look at BM website. its very easy to brows and looks interesting. Its not the best but its ok.

Also, the photographs on your website of the knives are really poor and small and plane.

Making photos of knives to the website does not have to be expensive. You could have someone professional make a fixed setup for you at the factory for taking photos. Any member of staff could then take what ever photos you want.

thanks.
 
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