Is spyderco behind now?

Dawg, it looks like Spyderco isn't the company for you. I guess you are just going to have to get your knives from one of the companies that have, in your opinion, moved ahead of them. You have made your position clear and definitely pointed far more often than necessay.

When it comes to personal preference, we each have our own likes and dislikes. You have stated yours and now it is time to move on. Spyderco is not going to change the way they do things to satisfy you, that has been made very clear. If other companies make products that you find more appealing, purchase from those companies, but don't expect your desires to affect the marketing decisions at Spyderco.
 
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.”-Leonardo da Vinci

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.”-Albert Einstein

as i read parts of this discussion these are the quotes that seem to me to best describe a sort of mission statement for spyderco
 
thedawg said:
Yeah, I am talking about the Ti Cyclone .
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What makes it better than the ZDP/CF Caly 3? The blade grind is WAY fatter, though it is a titanium framelock. I still prefer a lock back.

thedawg said:
The fact is that the military is marketed as a hard use knife.
It is not. No knife with this locktype is a hard use knife. sorry.
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OK, I will agree 100% the liner lock isn't the best choice for a hard use knife. However, a titanium framelock with a thin cutout isn't much stronger, if at all stronger, than the stainless liner lock of the Military. Both lock types can be unlocked by hard lateral torques, though the framelock would be a bit more forgiving in ths regard as your white knuckling could help to keep it locked up (and the choil on the Military can help to prevent some cutting of the fingers if it does come unlocked). As I said, I prefer the Compression lock, back lock, or ball lock to the liner lock for both strength and security, but the liner lock on the Military is very well executed from what I have seen in my use. I still trust my Manix more for really hard use, and don't plan on chopping or batoning anytime soon with my Military (fixed blades seem better for that, but my Manix would do in a pinch I suppose).

Mike
 
And he actually accused Spyderco of being slow!?!?:eek::confused:

You gotta love persistence (or "dawggedness" if you will)!:D

Regards,
3G
 
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gunmike1 said:
I handled and used both the Rukus and Manix for a week a piece in passarounds, and got the Manix. The Rukus is a good knife with great fit and finish and an efficient blade grind, but it just didn't fit my hand like the Manix, and I found the Spyderhole better for opening the blade. The Rukus has a very long, thin, and slicker handle than the Manix that just doesn't lock in my hand like the Manix, and it costs quite a bit more. Yes, the Rukus has multi colored handles and 3D curves in the handle, but the Manix was the better tool for me. When I want to do some hard cutting out comes the Manix, and aside from the clip biting me until I switched it to lefty carry it really inspires confidence and cuts very good for a knife of it's magnitude. When I was cutting massive chunks out of 1X3's I wasn't seeing how pretty the knife looked, just how well it cut. Other's opinions and ergonomic preferences will vary.

I have a Cyclone by Kershaw, and it is a well built knife in a good blade steel, but I find the grind doesn't come close to Spydercos as far as geometry (easily cured by a DMT XX coarse stone), but it is a very good value. You go slamming the Military's lock, but the Cyclone (and mini-cyclone) has a liner lock (unless you get the ZDP/Ti version). Both engage very solid with no blade play, and each pass light spine whackings with ease. I would love to see a compressionlock, back lock, or ball lock on the Military, but in the meanwhile I am pleased with the performance of my Military in CPM D2 so far, inspite of it's liner lock. If you like the liner lock in the mini-Cyclone why are you so down on the lock from the Military? The lock on mine and the tester Military I used are very secure, and I put about as much trust as I dare put in a liner lock in them. Sure, it isn't an Axis like the 710, but the pure cutting performance of the Military is hard to argue with. I have never cut with a 710, so maybe it has just as efficient a grind as the Military these days, but what reasons beyond the Axis lock make you prefer it so much over the Military (I'm not trying to be combative here, just trying to satisfy my curiosity)? Is it the ergonomics? Again, for my hands, the handle on the Military is what won me over, like with the Manix. With or without gloves it is very grippy and just locks in my hand, while just holding a 710 in a store I didn't get that feeling of the knife locking into my hand.

Then there are the Spyderco ZDP models, many in the well under $100 range. I got my Endura ZDP and Caly Jr. ZDP reground by Tom Krein to some very thin edges and those are 2 tremendous cutters. I use the Caly Jr. for the vast majority of my cutting (cardboard, plastic packaging, ect.) and it just devours that stuff and holds it's edge extremely well. I like Tom Krein's regrinds of Spydercos so much I wish Spyderco would team up with Mr. Krein to put out a couple thinly ground knives for some of us darksiders. It probably isn't feasible in a business or practical sense (Tom is overworked as it is), but a Krein grind on a good Spyderco design is just hard to beat.

Mike
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So Why is the manix being axed by spyderco then?
If everyone loves it, ifing everyone is buyiing it, Then why will spyderco disco it?
 
You don't like Spyderco go buy a Benchmade or Cold Steel or Buck or heck you seem to value form over function go and buy one of those really cool looking Mtech or United Cutlery or Frost Cutlery knives with the cool looking blade shapes and the purty handles. Me I'll keep carrying my gen 4 Endura cause it takes a licking and just keeps ticking and didn't cost me an arm or a leg thou it almost cost me a toe when it fell off the kitchen counter :) I love the fact that Sal listens to his customers and accepts feedback on projects and ideas you should go over to spydercos forum and see the HUGE thread discussing the Bushcraft knife from the steels to the grinds to blade shape and sheath with Sal asking questions and probably taking notes the whole time. Where else can you talk with the man in charge and get straight answers oh and from what I've heard he can also flip a butterfly knife like you wont believe.
 
I love Spydercos and particularly the way they conduct themselves. Shiny footprints is more than just being a polite and respectful company it pays real dividends in quantifiable
results like a hardcore group of Spyder fans and honest feedback. Their business practice is about the polar opposite from Cold Steal.

Some useful feedback has been the website. It does need some work and updating.
I would like to see a page with their blade steels explored in depth and maybe some pics of the manufacturing process.

I love that spyderco has their basic line of knives like the Enduras and also really appreciate the niche stuff they do. I got my Chinook because it was basicly a Manix for people like myself who do a lot of bowie style knife practice. It is not a big market by any means but it is perfect for a small group of people. Spydercos efforts at serving these niches are one of my favourite things about the company.

Another thing I like is the lack of gimmiks. I am terrible for getting into those when they first come out.

I would like to see a spyderco made from a high quality tool steel rather than stainless please?

Hannibal Lecter carries a Spyderco Harpy in plain edge of course. No doctor would ever use a serrated on flesh.

Lets see more fixed blade spydercos.
 
I have been reading what Sal has written in this tread. Those ar the nicest posts. He aktually takes time to diskuss his walues about knives in a fishermans tread. That is style. I only have or ever had one spyderco. A caly jr grey vg10. Very nice knife that I like and use a lot. Because of this I cant talk much about quality but as far as I can see the owner is first rate.

Bosse
 
thedawg said:
So Why is the manix being axed by spyderco then?
If everyone loves it, ifing everyone is buyiing it, Then why will spyderco disco it?
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I heard it was because a Manix II is in the works. Constant improvement.
 
thedawg said:
So Why is the manix being axed by spyderco then?
If everyone loves it, ifing everyone is buyiing it, Then why will spyderco disco it?
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Who says everyone loves it and everyone is buying it? Only you, overstating the case to demolish it more easily. Knives are routinely discontinued after a successful run when sales fall off. Every company is willing to do this, to make room for that innovation you claim not to see in Spyderco.

You lack fact AND logic in your argument. That leaves persistence, otherwise known as monomania.
 
thedawg said:
So Why is the manix being axed by spyderco then?
If everyone loves it, ifing everyone is buyiing it, Then why will spyderco disco it?
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It isn't because of poor performance, just ask anyone who has actually used one hard. And what the hell does this have to do with anything I said? I never said everyone loves it and everyone is buying it, I explained why the Manix was a better knife for ME than the Rukus and said the others opinions and ergonomic preferences would vary. The Manix is a pocketful and is heavy (though not as heavy as a Rukus), and many consider it too big for EDC. I don't, it doesn't bother me at all in my pocket and I don't even notice the weight (the Rukus was similar, I never noticed it in the pocket). I never mentioned a thing about sales, just that functionally and ergonaomically the knife was very good for me. I guess I'm falling behind also since I like a knife that is being discontinued.

Mike
 
thedawg said:
Is spyderco behind now?
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Nope, they are way ahead. Any company that puts function ahead of style is the real winner. Hands down. Regardless of the money that is made. You know what is made though? A relationship. Good relationships never die, they grow.
 
Wow?! 6 pages?!

First, my opinion:

Spyderco is singular among folder manufacturers for form following function. (How's that for some alliteration? ;)) Their goal has never seemed to be making "pretty" knives. Now, don't get me wrong. I own some pretty knives. I own some ugly knives. Some have been inexpensive bargains: FRN Caly, Merlin SE & PE, KAI JYDII and Lahar. Some have been approaching 4 figures (mostly Busse.)

My opinion is that Spyderco has a hugely successful business model. They are well respected by their peers (evidenced by ThW posting,) adored by their repeat customers (evidenced by the 6 pages of posts,) and the community benefits from their philanthropic success. Finally, we knife knuts benefit from the postings of sage like wisdom by Sal Glesser. Seriously... he is a master of his trade who takes time out to answer the questions of knuts and mindless ravings of trolls. Do you think you are going to get that kind of access to the CEO of GM???

Sal Glesser: You, sir, are a consumate gentleman. We thank you for your involvement here.

dawg: You, sir, are a troll. Maybe not hairy, green and warty, but your behavior in this thread would tend to confirm otherwise. State your opinion and move away. So you think they should be prettier. Sorry, bro. Not their bag. Sal has answered your questions time and again - further asking for clarification. You should be ashamed of your behavior in this thread. I hope your time here at BFC includes a blossoming to respectful behavior, or that you are banned in short order.

ThomasW: You said too much about picking Sal's brain. ;) He'll be watching out for you now! Doh?!
 
This thread is still here for two reasons:

1) We do not lock threads at BF very often. We prefer everyone gets a chance to comment and comment and comment as they see fit.

2) For each of those who feel the thread should be closed and allowed to drift down the page, there are obviously others who feel they still have something to add.

As the last post shows, sometimes these are the same people. If you really wish to see it die, stop commenting OR don't click on it to follow the latest comments of others.
 
Unsub said:
I would like to see a spyderco made from a high quality tool steel rather than stainless please?
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CPM D2 Military? If you want one, be quick to get one before they're all gone. Might have to check a few of "the usual" sites.
 
Paddling_man said:
Wow?! 6 pages?!

First, my opinion:

Spyderco is singular among folder manufacturers for form following function. (How's that for some alliteration? ;)) Their goal has never seemed to be making "pretty" knives. Now, don't get me wrong. I own some pretty knives. I own some ugly knives. Some have been inexpensive bargains: FRN Caly, Merlin SE & PE, KAI JYDII and Lahar. Some have been approaching 4 figures (mostly Busse.)

My opinion is that Spyderco has a hugely successful business model. They are well respected by their peers (evidenced by ThW posting,) adored by their repeat customers (evidenced by the 6 pages of posts,) and the community benefits from their philanthropic success. Finally, we knife knuts benefit from the postings of sage like wisdom by Sal Glesser. Seriously... he is a master of his trade who takes time out to answer the questions of knuts and mindless ravings of trolls. Do you think you are going to get that kind of access to the CEO of GM???

Sal Glesser: You, sir, are a consumate gentleman. We thank you for your involvement here.





dawg: You, sir, are a troll. Maybe not hairy, green and warty, but your behavior in this thread would tend to confirm otherwise. State your opinion and move away. So you think they should be prettier. Sorry, bro. Not their bag. Sal has answered your questions time and again - further asking for clarification. You should be ashamed of your behavior in this thread. I hope your time here at BFC includes a blossoming to respectful behavior, or that you are banned in short order.

ThomasW: You said too much about picking Sal's brain. ;) He'll be watching out for you now! Doh?!
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You Sir should stop trollmungering and get on with your spydercollecting.
 
Sal, you say:
Steel over style, ergos over style, safety over style, easy open and close, the appreciation of our efforts is found in the constant use, not in its eye appeal.


Do modern BM and Kershaws not have steel? ergos , functionality?

Spyderco fans think only spyderco is functional.


Let me bring it to you slowly: BM and Kershaw, are making beautiful knives, that are functional, with great ergos, and style.

I like the blind faith but spyderco fans take it to a new level.

I hope spyderco is still aroud in a couple of years for another (delica) variant, with the flavour of the month g10 colour.
 
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