Is spyderco behind now?

[gunmike1]

The manix is a strong knife well built but it seriously lacks style. Have you handled the rukus by BM?

Also, look at the mini cyclone by Kershaw.

I handled and used both the Rukus and Manix for a week a piece in passarounds, and got the Manix. The Rukus is a good knife with great fit and finish and an efficient blade grind, but it just didn't fit my hand like the Manix, and I found the Spyderhole better for opening the blade. The Rukus has a very long, thin, and slicker handle than the Manix that just doesn't lock in my hand like the Manix, and it costs quite a bit more. Yes, the Rukus has multi colored handles and 3D curves in the handle, but the Manix was the better tool for me. When I want to do some hard cutting out comes the Manix, and aside from the clip biting me until I switched it to lefty carry it really inspires confidence and cuts very good for a knife of it's magnitude. When I was cutting massive chunks out of 1X3's I wasn't seeing how pretty the knife looked, just how well it cut. Other's opinions and ergonomic preferences will vary.

I have a Cyclone by Kershaw, and it is a well built knife in a good blade steel, but I find the grind doesn't come close to Spydercos as far as geometry (easily cured by a DMT XX coarse stone), but it is a very good value. You go slamming the Military's lock, but the Cyclone (and mini-cyclone) has a liner lock (unless you get the ZDP/Ti version). Both engage very solid with no blade play, and each pass light spine whackings with ease. I would love to see a compressionlock, back lock, or ball lock on the Military, but in the meanwhile I am pleased with the performance of my Military in CPM D2 so far, inspite of it's liner lock. If you like the liner lock in the mini-Cyclone why are you so down on the lock from the Military? The lock on mine and the tester Military I used are very secure, and I put about as much trust as I dare put in a liner lock in them. Sure, it isn't an Axis like the 710, but the pure cutting performance of the Military is hard to argue with. I have never cut with a 710, so maybe it has just as efficient a grind as the Military these days, but what reasons beyond the Axis lock make you prefer it so much over the Military (I'm not trying to be combative here, just trying to satisfy my curiosity)? Is it the ergonomics? Again, for my hands, the handle on the Military is what won me over, like with the Manix. With or without gloves it is very grippy and just locks in my hand, while just holding a 710 in a store I didn't get that feeling of the knife locking into my hand.

Then there are the Spyderco ZDP models, many in the well under $100 range. I got my Endura ZDP and Caly Jr. ZDP reground by Tom Krein to some very thin edges and those are 2 tremendous cutters. I use the Caly Jr. for the vast majority of my cutting (cardboard, plastic packaging, ect.) and it just devours that stuff and holds it's edge extremely well. I like Tom Krein's regrinds of Spydercos so much I wish Spyderco would team up with Mr. Krein to put out a couple thinly ground knives for some of us darksiders. It probably isn't feasible in a business or practical sense (Tom is overworked as it is), but a Krein grind on a good Spyderco design is just hard to beat.

Mike

 

[Kaizen1]

The manix is a strong knife well built but it seriously lacks style. Have you handled the rukus by BM?

I have both the Mini Manix and the Mini Rukus. These 2 are my primary EDC blades. I give a slight nod to the Manix designs, even though the Rukus costs nearly 30-50% more. I have handled both of the large versions as well and my personal favorite goes to the Manix designs over the Rukus designs.

My first reaction to the designs were different though. When I first saw both pictures, I liked the looks of the Rukus design more. But since handling them, I'd get rid of my more expensive Rukus before my Manix.

 

[So-Lo]

Hi Sal,

Even if I have never held a spyderco, my opinion as a (window-shopper) could be of interest to you. You could ask what what is holding me back from buying spydercos.

Having said that, and in answer to your question, I have:

1-a ladybug FRN with VG10, on my key chain.
2- a Caly3 vg10 (good knife).
3- Had a military. gave it away.
4-Had a manix (full size) and gave it away.

I really think you should re do the mily. I know there is one in the works with a different lock. About time. This step should have been done a long time ago.

Sal, have you ever handled the 710 by benchmade?

The manix is a strong knife well built but it seriously lacks style. Have you handled the rukus by BM?

Also, look at the mini cyclone by Kershaw.

As for the website, I know the website is not the company. BUT, to the end user some where in the world who has no idea what spyderco is and what the company is doing, the website is the company.

I hope you come up with a new website , maybe a new image. Look at BM website. its very easy to brows and looks interesting. Its not the best but its ok.

Also, the photographs on your website of the knives are really poor and small and plane.

Making photos of knives to the website does not have to be expensive. You could have someone professional make a fixed setup for you at the factory for taking photos. Any member of staff could then take what ever photos you want.

thanks.

Your a frigg'in clown! If you don't like Spyderco thats fine.............move on. Your loss! IMHO Spyderco in light years away from the nearest competitor. They always have been, not to bash the "others", but I can't think of another company that would of brought out the.

Dodo ( are you kidding?)
Cricket (who else would of had the guts to bring this gem to use?)
Spin ( a very tough usable "Little Knife" )
P'kal ( this is true Spyderco innovation)
Yojimbo ( are you kidding again )
Ladybug (who else takes these "little knives" so serious?)
Jester (see above)
Harpy (who else offers a true Hawk Bill knife?)
Super Hawk (who else super sizes that hawk bill?)
Rescue ( ????????????????? are you kidding?)
Ronin (who else would of brought this into there line up?)
Spot ( never had one, but they had the balls to bring it to us )
Dyad (who else does anything even remotely like this?)
anything in a full serrated edge! (your not even in reality on your thinking!)

do you need any more examples?

WOW thats about all that can be said. Your a complete Tool.

Owe, yeah they invented that little thing called the pocket clip, and the idea of one hand opening and closing.

Tuck your tail and run, you should make the PT list with this crap.

 

[Sal Glesser]

Hi Dawg,

So you are suggesting that we add more "style" to our designs, more eye candy, more eye appeal?

Thanx for the input, but frankly, that has never been a great concern of ours. Each company has its offerings. Ours is essentially safe, reliable, high performance cutting tools.

How it cuts, feels, safety, strength, edge retention, longevity, These are our parameters. "We want to be the cuttin' thing in yer pocket". Most of our customers gravitate towards our products when they decide that the performance of the knife is paramount.

As a company, our current growth is acceptable. Margins are fair. We serve our customers as best we can.

The "why" we do things in our designs is often the conversation on our BF and site forums. you might visit and follow some of the threads, it will give you a better idea of our goals in our products.

If you are going to use a 5 liter V12, carbon fiber is a nice wrap, but we also will put the same "cutting force" in a FRN handle so any can try it out.

Steel over style, ergos over style, safety over style, easy open and close, the appreciation of our efforts is found in the constant use, not in its eye appeal.

Hope that makes sense.

sal

 

[thedawg]

Your a frigg'in clown! If you don't like Spyderco thats fine.............move on. Your loss! IMHO Spyderco in light years away from the nearest competitor. They always have been, not to bash the "others", but I can't think of another company that would of brought out the.

Dodo ( are you kidding?)
Cricket (who else would of had the guts to bring this gem to use?)
Spin ( a very tough usable "Little Knife" )
P'kal ( this is true Spyderco innovation)
Yojimbo ( are you kidding again )
Ladybug (who else takes these "little knives" so serious?)
Jester (see above)
Harpy (who else offers a true Hawk Bill knife?)
Super Hawk (who else super sizes that hawk bill?)
Rescue ( ????????????????? are you kidding?)
Ronin (who else would of brought this into there line up?)
Spot ( never had one, but they had the balls to bring it to us )
Dyad (who else does anything even remotely like this?)
anything in a full serrated edge! (your not even in reality on your thinking!)

do you need any more examples?

WOW thats about all that can be said. Your a complete Tool.

Owe, yeah they invented that little thing called the pocket clip, and the idea of one hand opening and closing.

Tuck your tail and run, you should make the PT list with this crap.

Why do you use such language?

 

[thedawg]

I handled and used both the Rukus and Manix for a week a piece in passarounds, and got the Manix. The Rukus is a good knife with great fit and finish and an efficient blade grind, but it just didn't fit my hand like the Manix, and I found the Spyderhole better for opening the blade. The Rukus has a very long, thin, and slicker handle than the Manix that just doesn't lock in my hand like the Manix, and it costs quite a bit more. Yes, the Rukus has multi colored handles and 3D curves in the handle, but the Manix was the better tool for me. When I want to do some hard cutting out comes the Manix, and aside from the clip biting me until I switched it to lefty carry it really inspires confidence and cuts very good for a knife of it's magnitude. When I was cutting massive chunks out of 1X3's I wasn't seeing how pretty the knife looked, just how well it cut. Other's opinions and ergonomic preferences will vary.

I have a Cyclone by Kershaw, and it is a well built knife in a good blade steel, but I find the grind doesn't come close to Spydercos as far as geometry (easily cured by a DMT XX coarse stone), but it is a very good value. You go slamming the Military's lock, but the Cyclone (and mini-cyclone) has a liner lock (unless you get the ZDP/Ti version). Both engage very solid with no blade play, and each pass light spine whackings with ease. I would love to see a compressionlock, back lock, or ball lock on the Military, but in the meanwhile I am pleased with the performance of my Military in CPM D2 so far, inspite of it's liner lock. If you like the liner lock in the mini-Cyclone why are you so down on the lock from the Military? The lock on mine and the tester Military I used are very secure, and I put about as much trust as I dare put in a liner lock in them. Sure, it isn't an Axis like the 710, but the pure cutting performance of the Military is hard to argue with. I have never cut with a 710, so maybe it has just as efficient a grind as the Military these days, but what reasons beyond the Axis lock make you prefer it so much over the Military (I'm not trying to be combative here, just trying to satisfy my curiosity)? Is it the ergonomics? Again, for my hands, the handle on the Military is what won me over, like with the Manix. With or without gloves it is very grippy and just locks in my hand, while just holding a 710 in a store I didn't get that feeling of the knife locking into my hand.

Then there are the Spyderco ZDP models, many in the well under $100 range. I got my Endura ZDP and Caly Jr. ZDP reground by Tom Krein to some very thin edges and those are 2 tremendous cutters. I use the Caly Jr. for the vast majority of my cutting (cardboard, plastic packaging, ect.) and it just devours that stuff and holds it's edge extremely well. I like Tom Krein's regrinds of Spydercos so much I wish Spyderco would team up with Mr. Krein to put out a couple thinly ground knives for some of us darksiders. It probably isn't feasible in a business or practical sense (Tom is overworked as it is), but a Krein grind on a good Spyderco design is just hard to beat.

Mike

Yeah, I am talking about the Ti Cyclone .

The fact is that the military is marketed as a hard use knife.
It is not. No knife with this locktype is a hard use knife. sorry.

 

[markksr]

Hi Dawg,

So you are suggesting that we add more "style" to our designs, more eye candy, more eye appeal?

Thanx for the input, but frankly, that has never been a great concern of ours. Each company has its offerings. Ours is essentially safe, reliable, high performance cutting tools.

How it cuts, feels, safety, strength, edge retention, longevity, These are our parameters. "We want to be the cuttin' thing in yer pocket". Most of our customers gravitate towards our products when they decide that the performance of the knife is paramount.

As a company, our current growth is acceptable. Margins are fair. We serve our customers as best we can.

The "why" we do things in our designs is often the conversation on our BF and site forums. you might visit and follow some of the threads, it will give you a better idea of our goals in our products.

If you are going to use a 5 liter V12, carbon fiber is a nice wrap, but we also will put the same "cutting force" in a FRN handle so any can try it out.

Steel over style, ergos over style, safety over style, easy open and close, the appreciation of our efforts is found in the constant use, not in its eye appeal.

Hope that makes sense.

sal

:thumbup:Well spoken,as always.:thumbup:

 

[So-Lo]

Why do you use such language?

I speak the truth, and find it hard to tolerate ignorance.

 

[jaislandboy]

:thumbup: I agree. The questions have all been answered as well as they possibly can, with even the CEO of Spyderco weighing in.

The fact that the topic starter refuses to address Sal or anybody else that has given him good information and answers, and opts rather to bicker with the people he's offended shows the true nature of the topic starter and the thread itself. I certainly think those infractions were earned at this point, and that the thread needs to die. The Dawg is just trolling.

yep, back on post 168, this sums up the thread.... :thumbdn: :jerkit::thumbdn:

 

[theoldawg]

The time has come to totally ignore this character. All he is doing is flaming Sal & Spyderco, and is undeserved

No matter how you reply to him; he responds with some BS question or statement.

In my opinion this thread should be CLOSED.

 

[thedawg]

The time has come to totally ignore this character. All he is doing is flaming Sal & Spyderco, and is undeserved

No matter how you reply to him; he responds with some BS question or statement.

In my opinion this thread should be CLOSED.

sorry but why do you have to read this thread?
Pleanty other threads in praise of spyderco you could go read.

I am the one who will ignore you from now on.

 

[Geoff]

I like Spyderco, and own several

lately most of my purchases have been Kershaws

The upcoming Tyrade is going to be amazing. I just got a mini Cyclone ZDP/Ti It's amazing, also got a ZT301 Collaboration between Strider and Onion has to be awesome

 

[Alberto Salas]

I got it, I got It!!!!

I can finally answer the Dawg question and put this tread to rest!

Let me try (with my crappy english) to tell you a story:

When I first started to look into knives, I remember watching the offerings of different manufacturers on dirtcheapknives.com (R.I.P.). I remember going to the Spyderco section and being horrified at that hideous things which looked like little alligators, and wondering "How somebody will pay this outrageous prices for this things" ($60 for a knife was outrageous for me at that time ). I remember looking at the Civilian for hours thinking "what the hell is this?, what kind of mind can think in this thing and think is a good design?"

Well, time goes by and I found the coolest place in the Internet: famousbabes.com!!! but later found bladeforums.com too, and I really started to learn about knives.

I was surprised of how often the Spyderco name come up when somebody asked for a good knife, I was surprised about the praise that brand had, and I started to look closer in their designs. When I read the justification of the Civilian, it suddenly became a brilliant concept.

I really wanted to try this praised knives, but I'm a graphic designer, the style and the beauty is important to me, so couldn't make up my mind about buying a Spyderco. Finally, I get a SS Cricket. Is now my dress knife and I was hooked by the finish, the ergos and the sharpness of this little critter. Excited by the experience, I ordered my expensivest knife at the time: The Paramilitary. This is now my favorite blade, I still find it unappealing, but the ergos, the easy to use, the light weight, the slim profile, the strong of the lock made it an instant hit for me.

I WANT more Spydercos, but the strange designs keep turning me off about them. I know they are great, I'm planing to get a MiniManix and all, but I always hesitate when I'm going to buy.

All that sums in this: for the question you asked, NO, Spyderco is not behind (we have 10 pages of reasons backing up that).
For the question you don't ask: You are like me, you KNOW how great they are, and feel guilty about find them ugly. Leave it, simply Spyderco is not for you. There are plenty of brands with more appealing designs and great quality too.

Wow! That was looooooong. Hope it helps, I'm leaving now.


BETO
====================
Sorry for my english

 

[Kaizen1]

I just bought a knife today, a Para-Military. I was looking at 4 knives in the price range I was willing to pay ($100-$150). All 4 of the knives I was considering were Spydies. I am part of the market, and from where I stand just about every other brand in this price range is behind them.

 

[Elsilrac1]

Dawg,

Please keep me in mind when you give away any more Spydies.

 

[zenheretic]

All the arguements that started this thread are personal speculation and/or personal opinion on what makes a knife "good".

Getting upset about a contrary opinion is pointless in regards to this.

Let us all join hands and sing a song.

If you don't know the tune watch the movie classic, "The Blues Brothers"

Trolltide (sung to tune of Rawhide)


TRollin', Trollin', Trollin'
TRollin', Trollin', Trollin'
TRollin', Trollin', Trollin'
TRollin', Trollin', trollin'
Trolltide!

TRollin', trollin', trollin'
Though the forums are swollen
Keep them dogies trollin'
Trolltide!
Feelings and ego and wrenchin'
Hell-bent for attention
Wishin' my only friend was by my side.
All the things I'm missin',
Good friends, love, and kissin',
Aren't waiting at the end of my ride

CHORUS
Copy 'em on, post 'em up,
Post 'em up, copy 'em out,
Copy 'em on, post 'em out Trolltide!
Set 'em out, post 'em in
Post 'em in, let 'em out,
Cut 'em out, Post 'em in Trolltide.

Keep postin', postin', postin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them posties movin' Trolltide!
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just google and copy and post 'em,
Soon they'll be fuming high and wide.
Boy my heart's calculatin'
My turtle will be waitin', be waiting at the end of my ride.

Trolltide!
Trolltide!

 

[jaislandboy]

CHORUS
Copy 'em on, post 'em up,
Post 'em up, copy 'em out,
Copy 'em on, post 'em out Trolltide!
Set 'em out, post 'em in
Post 'em in, let 'em out,
Cut 'em out, Post 'em in Trolltide.


LOL.... choice, Zen...

 

[DRider]

Hi Dawg,

So you are suggesting that we add more "style" to our designs, more eye candy, more eye appeal?

Thanx for the input, but frankly, that has never been a great concern of ours. Each company has its offerings. Ours is essentially safe, reliable, high performance cutting tools.

How it cuts, feels, safety, strength, edge retention, longevity, These are our parameters. "We want to be the cuttin' thing in yer pocket". Most of our customers gravitate towards our products when they decide that the performance of the knife is paramount.

As a company, our current growth is acceptable. Margins are fair. We serve our customers as best we can.

The "why" we do things in our designs is often the conversation on our BF and site forums. you might visit and follow some of the threads, it will give you a better idea of our goals in our products.

If you are going to use a 5 liter V12, carbon fiber is a nice wrap, but we also will put the same "cutting force" in a FRN handle so any can try it out.

Steel over style, ergos over style, safety over style, easy open and close, the appreciation of our efforts is found in the constant use, not in its eye appeal.

Hope that makes sense.

sal

Hi Sal:

I just wanted you to know - I must have twenty folders from the major companies, including the Rukus. I keep them in a drawer. What do I actually have in my pocket, every day?

The Manix.

Why? Steel over style, ergos over style, safety over style, easy open and close.

And to tell you the truth - I like the style, too!

 

[carrot]

Funny. I was handling a 710 and I was thinking to myself "if only this were more like a Spyderco..."

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

If DiggiddyDawg wants to fancy up his spydercos, why not just glue some glitter and shiny sequins on? Bam! Fancy!! :thumbup: