is there any chance that busse kin go CMP3V?

thank you guys for kindness , i just wanna know the truth on CPM 3V.

what are the obstacles against me from truth ? i thought mostly are money and scientific mind which i do not have much.:grumpy:
 
dingy, you are not coming across as a 'troller' at all, so don't worry about asking questions. I've just been reading and enjoying the responses you're getting.

If you decide to buy some 3V to try for yourself, I would encourage you to check out the Survive GSO line. I have a lot of BarkRiver in 3V and I do like it, but the 3V in the Survive has performed better for me. Or maybe it's the geometry Guy has ground into the blade. Anyway, SR101 and 3V are both great steels that have treated me well.
 
Hard Knocks said:
dingy, you are not coming across as a 'troller' at all, so don't worry about asking questions. I've just been reading and enjoying the responses you're getting.

If you decide to buy some 3V to try for yourself, I would encourage you to check out the Survive GSO line. I have a lot of BarkRiver in 3V and I do like it, but the 3V in the Survive has performed better for me. Or maybe it's the geometry Guy has ground into the blade. Anyway, SR101 and 3V are both great steels that have treated me well.
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From my understanding Survives HT is the difference between 3v doing well and not, and it seems like they have it down right.
 
dingy said:
thank you guys for kindness , i just wanna know the truth on CPM 3V.

what are the obstacles against me from truth ? i thought mostly are money and scientific mind which i do not have much.:grumpy:
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To me 3V is a good steel just like O1, A2, SR101, INFI, 1095, and the list goes on and on. I think people get lost in comparing this steel to that steel my take on it is find a steel that does what you want and get outside and use the knife. Its fun to sit and compare things over the internet but getting out and finding out what YOU like and what works for YOU is vastly more important than what someone else tells you they like.
 
PatrickKnight said:
To me 3V is a good steel just like O1, A2, SR101, INFI, 1095, and the list goes on and on. I think people get lost in comparing this steel to that steel my take on it is find a steel that does what you want and get outside and use the knife. Its fun to sit and compare things over the internet but getting out and finding out what YOU like and what works for YOU is vastly more important than what someone else tells you they like.
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..... exactly this... !!!! I could not have said it better. I have some 1095 (Rowen) that I just love, the rest for me is SR77, 101 or INFI. There are no doubt other steels that are as good or better than all these, but how much and to what end, I certainly will never notice it... :D :D

I love reading discussions on steels however, I just gett annoyed (not at the OP here either) when they degenerate to slinging matches. At that point I will detach and actually go cut something with a lesser steel... ;) ;)
 
We ship full sheets out for Guy, not blanks. Maybe someday he'll give us a shot.
 
I think most steels are ok when HTed right , can you guys differentiate performance between steels in ordinary use easily ?

Let me get this straight. The common-sense answer is that it is not easy to distinguish a steel from others which was done right, especially those steels are in same type .

I just wanna know the "toughness" on 3V , there is no easy way to get an objective answer , I see the destruction test is a good way to get the answer .

But it is a pity that the test need some samples which are pricey to me.

If the thread bothered you , sorry .

Thank you guys any way:thumbup:
 
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number41 said:
3V is all hype. Expensive blades that doesn't justify the price to performance. I use to be like that until I spent some time on Cliff Stamps forums..... opened my eyes a little to be honest.
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Sorry but 3V is no hype. Personal experience.
 
dingy said:
I think most steels are ok when HTed right , can you guys differentiate performance between steels in ordinary use easily ?

Let me get this straight. The common-sense answer is that it is not easy to distinguish a steel from others which was done right, especially those steels are in same type .

I just wanna know the "toughness" on 3V , there is no easy way to get an objective answer , I see the destruction test is a good way to get the answer .

But it is a pity that the test need some samples which are pricey to me.

If the thread bothered you , sorry .

Thank you guys any way:thumbup:
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IMO 3V falls between INFI and SR101 in the toughness category.
 
Cobalt said:
Theoretically it does. In testing, I am not so sure. SR101 might be as tough and it may have better edge toughness.
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I would love to see real world proving this. All the busse vids showing extreme use DO show damage, and on fat edge angles. I would love to see a infi at the same RC and edge geometry do some realworld testing.
 
gsx-rboy750 said:
I would love to see real world proving this. All the busse vids showing extreme use DO show damage, and on fat edge angles. I would love to see a infi at the same RC and edge geometry do some realworld testing.
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Actually, there already is some real world abuse testing of both INFI and SR101, and it shows how tough these steels are. Honestly, I have seen way more edge damage on 3V than INFI or SR101.

In case you missed these threads here is some interesting info:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...edge-work-with-a-BM-E?p=15049115#post15049115

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...its-limits-and-beyond?p=15050349#post15050349

Here is SR101 chopping metal rod with almost no edge damage:

[video=youtube;B4NEkK-ehdo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4NEkK-ehdo[/video]


Here is 3v batoning one time through a nail with good edge damage

[video=youtube;jAFQAp3Fo9I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAFQAp3Fo9I[/video]
 
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Actually, there already is some real world abuse testing of both INFI and SR101, and it shows how tough these steels are. Honestly, I have seen way more edge damage on 3V than INFI or SR101.

In case you missed these threads here is some interesting info:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...edge-work-with-a-BM-E?p=15049115#post15049115

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...its-limits-and-beyond?p=15050349#post15050349

Here is SR101 chopping metal rod with almost no edge damage:

[video=youtube;B4NEkK-ehdo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4NEkK-ehdo[/video]


Here is 3v batoning one time through a nail with good edge damage

[video=youtube;jAFQAp3Fo9I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAFQAp3Fo9I[/video]
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Again what RC what edge thickness? Those are factors. And nate shows the blade up close. The other guy does not but it is not cutting that paper it is ripping it. Nate stated 0.015 -0.02 behind the edge at 60+RC. The busse are like 58 with super fat geometry in comparison. Quoting videos without knowing the specifics does not prove a point.
Again I would like to see the same geometry and RC. I was looking for a busse to test against my 3v and zwear and eventually ztuff. All the busses vids I have seen have damage to the edge. I am talking about 3V from personal experience at thin geometry and higher RC. Not videos.
MBB have videos of 3V and zwear at closer edge geometries to the buss with no damage. They actually show the edge up close.
 
gsx-rboy750( I assume you picked that because you have one, lol, I like them as well), If you want to put up a large 3V blade for testing against an SR101 big blade, I would be more than happy to mail an SR101 blade for some hard testing against a 3V blade to an independent tester. I have a scrapper 911 that I would gladly put up against a similar sized 3V blade for chopping concrete and nails, as well as wood. The tester can profile both edges to be exactly the same so it takes the edge geometry out of the equation. So if you wish to do this let me know.
 
gsx-rboy750 said:
Again what RC what edge thickness? Those are factors. And nate shows the blade up close. The other guy does not but it is not cutting that paper it is ripping it. Nate stated 0.015 -0.02 behind the edge at 60+RC. The busse are like 58 with super fat geometry in comparison. Quoting videos without knowing the specifics does not prove a point.
Again I would like to see the same geometry and RC. I was looking for a busse to test against my 3v and zwear and eventually ztuff. All the busses vids I have seen have damage to the edge. I am talking about 3V from personal experience at thin geometry and higher RC. Not videos.
MBB have videos of 3V and zwear at closer edge geometries to the buss with no damage. They actually show the edge up close.
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SR101 is much harder than 58, I think at the edge it is 61 ish?. And the older busse in my link above is actually between 60 and 62. All of the 2002 and earlier Busses were HT'd over 60 Rc
 
Cobalt said:
SR101 is much harder than 58, I think at the edge it is 61 ish?. And the older busse in my link above is actually between 60 and 62. All of the 2002 and earlier Busses were HT'd over 60 Rc
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All their SR-101 is run at 58-60 RC, with typically around 25-30 degree per side edge and usually about .050" thickness right behind the edge bevel. Very brutal geometry IMO, Nate's 3V was advertised to be run significantly thinner on that model and held up outstandingly well through the concrete hammering. Granted that's only one test, but still it's a pretty rough one at that.
 
Cobalt said:
gsx-rboy750( I assume you picked that because you have one, lol, I like them as well), If you want to put up a large 3V blade for testing against an SR101 big blade, I would be more than happy to mail an SR101 blade for some hard testing against a 3V blade to an independent tester. I have a scrapper 911 that I would gladly put up against a similar sized 3V blade for chopping concrete and nails, as well as wood. The tester can profile both edges to be exactly the same so it takes the edge geometry out of the equation. So if you wish to do this let me know.
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I would totally take you up on that. I am not saying one is better or worse I just would like to see back to back to back. I like learning and testing and may learn more then I thought. I just have not seen one solid test which I would call conclusive. I like hard use.
On their website they state a lower RC but I would also test each one at a friends shop.
 
Well, I guess I was wrong about the Rc of SR101. It is 58-60.

In any case, if you wish to find a neutral tester who isn't a fanboy of either steel, and is a known entity, I would be willing to send a blade for testing.
 
Maybe Cliff Stamp has already compared SR-101 & 3V, or if not, would be willing to do so.
 
Cobalt said:
Well, I guess I was wrong about the Rc of SR101. It is 58-60.

In any case, if you wish to find a neutral tester who isn't a fanboy of either steel, and is a known entity, I would be willing to send a blade for testing.
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I am bot a fan boy of any steel. I was trying to source some infi from a manufacture.
If you saw my work table you could not call me a steel fan boy. I would be willing to conduct real world test and record it.
I would only need 2inches of the blades.
 
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