is there any chance that busse kin go CMP3V?

Jerry's A2 must have been better than the A2 I've used. I like it, but no way would I take it over SR101.
 
Red Angel Dragnet said:
Well, for my tastes A2 beats SR-101 by a large margin in the grind ability department. This alone tips the scales in favor of A2 for me, but yes Jerry did indeed do a great job HT'ing the A2 he used.
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I definitely agree that A2 grinds much easier than SR101.
 
Hard Knocks said:
Jerry's A2 must have been better than the A2 I've used. I like it, but no way would I take it over SR101.
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SR101's differential HT makes does wonders. But Busses A2 was what made a name for the brand. An Alaskan Survivalist, Chris Janowski, who use to talk to often in the 90's relayed his story of the SH1 in A2 and how he did everything he could to break it. His own words, "it took everything I had and more, no other knife I have owned has ever taken so much abuse" He sent me the article he wrote for American Survivalist(?) I think that was the mag. His two favorite knives at the time were the Busse SH1 and the Benchmade AFCK.
 
Barring that ^^ I guess I'll have to try to get my hands on some old school A2. I have always been put off from it with my own experience from other maker's A2 in the field vs SR101.

Oh great, something else to stalk on the exchange!! :D
 
Red Angel Dragnet said:
Perhaps have another corroborate the results after he's concluded the testing?

Also, another point to consider is that 3V can be heat treated differently depending on what is desired, whereas SR-101 is pretty much locked in to only one HT>
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NOT true. Rat blades of yore were differentially HT'd (Battle Rat, Camp Tramp, Chopweiler, etc.), and are AWESOME!!! :D

Hard Knocks said:
Jerry's A2 must have been better than the A2 I've used. I like it, but no way would I take it over SR101.
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^^^Agreed!!! I like SR-101 FAR better than A2.
 
number41 said:
Yes according to this they have done a lot of testing on 3v....... where are those results? [see (1) below]
And why do they need to test 3v again? The problem is when you already said sr-101 outperformed 3v, why would you have a different outcome this time? [see (2) below]
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(1) Jerry has no obligation to publicly share his test data. In a competitive business environment, few companies would share their data.
(2) Different heat treat process for one or more steels involved (I suspect INFI will also be tested along with 3V & SR-101), slight change in one or more steel formulations, different/more comprehensive testing, and other possible reasons. Maybe the same outcome is expected, but if something has changed since the original testing, then the outcome would need to be reconfirmed.

Mikeynyc said:
If it ain't broken don't fix it
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I certainly agree with you regarding this on some things, but usually not when product development is involved. INFI might not have been developed if Jerry thought A2, D2 & ATS-34 were good enough.
 
Cobalt said:
Well, I am sure this will come out. I am shipping out my 911 to JP today or monday.
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Got it here safe and sound. I am going to devise a good series of test. I will incorporate mechanical means as to eliminate human error. I saw the Jerry response and think it makes sense.
 
gsx-rboy750 said:
Got it here safe and sound. I am going to devise a good series of test. I will incorporate mechanical means as to eliminate human error. I saw the Jerry response and think it makes sense.
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Do what you gotta do. JUST....

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Well jerry found his niche with INFI , basically created HIS OWN steel that no one else can replicate , and it has the attributes you look for in a tuff knife with low Matinence , sticking with A2 or switching to 3v would just put him in sync with most others offering that steel , having something unique that only comes from you is more desirable imo . INFI passes just about every test I have seen thrown at it , so I ask .. IMPROVE WHAT ?
 
No, not improve, it's all about a lower price point. SR101 offers great performance at a lower price point. if A2 or 3V offer a lower price point and great performance, then it is something that the swamp or scrapyard can use.
 
Red Angel Dragnet said:
Notice Jerry said 3V will be tested against SR-101…..

A couple thoughts on this….

Grindability will still likely be painfully low no matter how 3V is Heat Treated. Higher Vanadium content steels such as 3V are really counterproductive here, for me this is a huge disadvantage vs. INFI or really any plain carbon steel. A survival/combat knife should be capable of being resharpened quickly in the field with less than ideal sharpening mediums.
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In addition to the field sharpening issue, the difficulty of grinding vanadium steels increase production time and wear on equipment which drive up production costs. It seems to me that I read some posts from Mike Stewart during his shift from A2 to 3v and he was lamenting the excessive wear on his equipment. Infi is a dream to grind.
 
Mikeynyc said:
Well jerry found his niche with INFI , basically created HIS OWN steel that no one else can replicate , and it has the attributes you look for in a tuff knife with low Matinence , sticking with A2 or switching to 3v would just put him in sync with most others offering that steel , having something unique that only comes from you is more desirable imo . INFI passes just about every test I have seen thrown at it , so I ask .. IMPROVE WHAT ?
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Profitability..?
 
mach 5 said:
In addition to the field sharpening issue, the difficulty of grinding vanadium steels increase production time and wear on equipment which drive up production costs. It seems to me that I read some posts from Mike Stewart during his shift from A2 to 3v and he was lamenting the excessive wear on his equipment. Infi is a dream to grind.
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I will argue to death that if you have anytype of good knives 3V is not hard to field sharpen. I have taken it from ahh to very sharp with a leatherman diamond file. I use water stones to sharpen mine. I dont think that point is very valid if you know what your doing. I hear it alot and really dont find it to be realistic. IMO.
 
I agree. There are steels that are hard to sharpen. 3v is not one of them
 
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