Photos Is your modern knife traditionnal enough?

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I love these Brother knives. I love my Lionsteel too. Gorgeous knives.

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I consider these to be traditional. One handed opening locking knives that look like something out of a Rambo movie are what I consider to be modern.

The way I look at it, the pattern is what makes it traditional or not. Patterns had purposes... a stockman, a trapper, a whittler, a muskrat... Those have traditions. Materials just change with technology. You can use my Lionsteel Bestman the same as a traditional equal end pen knife. It IS an equal end pen knife just like any other. The James Brand Wayland is a Barlow knife. You can't get more traditional than that.
 
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hhmoore said:
I think knarfeng is showing admirable restraint with this thread
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Not sure he's seen it yet! I'm on the fence. I doubt it'll last too much longer, depending on the content overall.
The guidelines are posted, and really haven't changed. There may be post that gets by us on occasion. If a whole thread goes rogue though.....
 
Saw the thread. Fighting a cold and have not had the energy to dive into it.

The rules are pretty clear.
- materials don't make a knife non-traditional. Designs do.
- All sorts of fasteners have been used over the centuries to hold knives together.
- Synthetic materials such as hard rubber and plastics have been used since the 1800s.
- Stainless steel has been used since the 1920's.

Being a slip joint does not make a knife traditional. The overall design does. If you are into traditional knives, you know it when you see it.

We pretty much draw the line at 1964 with the advent of the Buck knife. If it is a pattern which might have been made prior to 1964, it's good to go. There are some exceptions. For instance, we allow Case Seahorse Whittlers, even though that pattern developed after 1964.
 
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knarfeng said:
Saw the thread. Fighting a cold and have not had the energy to dive into it.

The rules are pretty clear.
- materials don't make a knife non-traditional. Designs do.
- All sorts of fasteners have been used over the centuries to hold knives together.
- Synthetic materials such as hard rubber and plastics have been used since the 1800s.
- Stainless steel has been used since the 1920's.

Being a slip joint does not make a knife traditional. The overall design does. If you are into traditional knives, you know it when you see it.

We pretty much draw the line at 1964 with the advent of the Buck knife. If it is a pattern which might have been made prior to 1964, it's good to go. There are some exceptions. For instance, we allow Case Seahorse Whittlers, even though that pattern developed after 1964.
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They are, I think. I miss the days when anyone who didn't read them was taken round the back of The Porch, and Chiclet-whipped!! :grumpy:

Hope you're feeling better soon Frank :thumbsup:
 
knarfeng said:
Saw the thread. Fighting a cold and have not had the energy to dive into it.

The rules are pretty clear.
- materials don't make a knife non-traditional. Designs do.
- All sorts of fasteners have been used over the centuries to hold knives together.
- Synthetic materials such as hard rubber and plastics have been used since the 1800s.
- Stainless steel has been used since the 1920's.

Being a slip joint does not make a knife traditional. The overall design does. If you are into traditional knives, you know it when you see it.

We pretty much draw the line at 1964 with the advent of the Buck knife. If it is a pattern which might have been made prior to 1964, it's good to go. There are some exceptions. For instance, we allow Case Seahorse Whittlers, even though that pattern developed after 1964.
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I don't want to break any rules here. If my thread is considered"off topic", i will not be upset if the thead is deleted. Just tell me and i'll remove it myself. I was just wondering what was the criteria that defines a "traditionnal" vs modern...a lot of modern knife makers jumped in the traditional games now and some designs (like Lionsteel barlow and James Wayland) are definitly modern knives based on traditionnal pattern made with modern materials and machining. Some others are on the fence (Fallkniven/Penas) and some are irregularities.... (pointing Benchmade Tengu) i was wondering which ones can be posted here and which ones traditionnal fellas members will accept here.

Take care with that cold! Get well soon!
 
I think updating materials and styles while still using old patterns is a great idea. If you follow YouTube, you already know that these modern traditional knives are leading collectors of true modern knives to take an interest in more traditional knives. They're bringing new collectors into this part of the hobby. I can't see how that's a bad thing. I'm not a big fan of people who draw dividing lines for the sole purpose of keeping people out, but I get it. Internet forums are full of that. I ran smack dab into that over in the Everything forum. I like this forum a lot better because it isn't like that.
 
Heimdall82 said:
Hey, i was looking at my collection yesterday and even if i really like traditionnal knives, i also got a bunch of modern knives. Some of theses knives are based on traditionnal patterns and i was wondering what "spec" did a modern knife need to have to be considered a "modern-traditionnal-hybrid"

-Slipjoint? (but some tradionnal knives are linerlock/lockback...)
-Nail nick only?
-Bolster?
-Material?
-Cover?
-No pocket clip?
-Shield?

Here's some model i got that i would consider "hybrids"

Top to bottom:
-James Brand Wayland (Modern slipjoint barlow)
-Benchmade Tengu (No pocket clip and shield)
-Fallkniven GP (Modern liner lock Barlow style knife with bail)
-Lionsteel Barlow (slipjoint with modern material)

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Do you like modern version of traditionnal patter? What's your favorite hybrid?

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Well, crap, now I need a James Brand Wayland.
 
These are traditional patterns. The mod already ruled on it.

In hobbies, when you get to the point where you can tightly define it, odds are it’s dead. New ideas mean it’s still alive and kickin’.
 
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Heimdall82 said:
Hey, i was looking at my collection yesterday and even if i really like traditionnal knives, i also got a bunch of modern knives. Some of theses knives are based on traditionnal patterns and i was wondering what "spec" did a modern knife need to have to be considered a "modern-traditionnal-hybrid"

-Slipjoint? (but some tradionnal knives are linerlock/lockback...)
-Nail nick only?
-Bolster?
-Material?
-Cover?
-No pocket clip?
-Shield?

Here's some model i got that i would consider "hybrids"

Top to bottom:
-James Brand Wayland (Modern slipjoint barlow)
-Benchmade Tengu (No pocket clip and shield)
-Fallkniven GP (Modern liner lock Barlow style knife with bail)
-Lionsteel Barlow (slipjoint with modern material)

gLmbEcR.jpg


Do you like modern version of traditionnal patter? What's your favorite hybrid?

⬇️ Post them here! ⬇️
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The Benchmade Tengu is absolutely not remotely a traditional knife in any way. It may have been styled after one, but otherwise, it's 100% modern...... Flipper tab with ball detent, liner lock and tanto blade..... Don't get me wrong, I have one myself, but it isn't traditional by any stretch.

I have many knives, mainly European, which would primarily appeal to those of us who prefer traditional knives, but they aren't really traditional just because they lack pocket clips and thumb studs.
knarfeng said:
Saw the thread. Fighting a cold and have not had the energy to dive into it.

The rules are pretty clear.
- materials don't make a knife non-traditional. Designs do.
- All sorts of fasteners have been used over the centuries to hold knives together.
- Synthetic materials such as hard rubber and plastics have been used since the 1800s.
- Stainless steel has been used since the 1920's.

Being a slip joint does not make a knife traditional. The overall design does. If you are into traditional knives, you know it when you see it.

We pretty much draw the line at 1964 with the advent of the Buck knife. If it is a pattern which might have been made prior to 1964, it's good to go. There are some exceptions. For instance, we allow Case Seahorse Whittlers, even though that pattern developed after 1964.
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I know there are exceptions, but by these rules, technically, any knife with torx screws would not abide as they were not invented until 1967. Also, titanium sure as heck is not traditional, nor is pattern welded (Damascus) steel (BTW Mokume Gane is traditional, being made for over 300 years), G-10 or carbon fiber. I don't think that laser blade etching is even traditional, but these all tend to be wobblers.

I think it's important to have a grey area, especially considering all of the variety and while this IS the traditional forum, many of the wobblers hold the interest of people who lean more towards the traditional style. I suppose this is why we have our moderators!

I would say that if you must post these, they would best fit in the Traditional and Modern Pairings thread.

Even with a nail nick, and no pocket clip, it is built with pillar construction and a liner lock - Not traditional:
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Laser blade etch and pattern welded steel bolster.... Wobbler at best:

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I think it’s better to participate in threads you have an interest in, and not try to tear down threads you aren’t. A screw is a screw. Metal is metal. A Barlow is a Barlow. Let other people enjoy what they enjoy.

The pattern is what defines it as traditional, not the materials used to make it and not even the features.
 
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