Photos Is your modern knife traditionnal enough?

[JohnDF]

I think they called it a Barlow because "Really Super Cool and Useful Little Fixed Blade" wouldn't fit on the box.

 

[dsutton24]

Yeah, I'll admit that this is where I get lost, the idea that we pass judgement on what is or isn't... That's not a Barlow, I don't want to see belt hooks, screws, no screws. I know you've got to draw a line somewhere if you're going to have a subforum devoted to a single genre of knife. I've seen thumb studs on lots of Scout type knives from eighty years ago, surely that would be a traditional knife?

I honestly don't care, I like knives. The vast majority of my accumulation is clearly what would be considered to be Traditional knives under the Forum's rules. If anyone should know one when I see one, it should be me. But this is also a place where mention of the 110 will often bring somebody out of the woodwork despite the '110-ish' knives being specifically included in the approved list.

 

[Jack Black]

I've seen thumb studs on lots of Scout type knives from eighty years ago...

Those are can-openers, not thumb studs

 

[JohnDF]

the idea that we pass judgement on what is or isn't...

I think giving an opinion is completely different than actually passing judgement.
Seems these days things are deemed "bad" if they are not preferred... it's an all-or-nothing, win-or-lose, cancel culture.
If somebody types that they don't see screw-together construction as a "Traditional" feature, I assume they are giving their opinion.
I don't think they are necessarily saying they are bad or need to be banned. Okay, some have said it directly, but I think most are just opinions.

 

[Nature Boy]

Sheesh. Textualism; Original Meaning; Mod Precedent; Pragmatism; Moral Reasoning; Traditional Identity; Historical Practices. We might have to hash this out in the PA.

It would be interesting to hear the Original Intent of the Founders of the Traditional Subforum, though

Anyways, the best place to see traditional knives is the “Old Knives” thread. I still like my traditional-styled GECs, though.

 

[PoleMonkey13]

Except when it isn’t.

I bought one, like it, but a Barlow it is not.

 

[BDubbs]

i tend to think of anything I can take apart as a modern, in my mind it has to be peened to be traditional. That being said I have a lot of modern traditional I love. I carry this one a lot, got it in a swap with Jeremy sbh06 . Great steel, walk and talk, fit and finish. I’m assuming we have Mike to thank for these, can’t see the Italians making it on their own.

 

[B1GSHOT]

There is one modern addition to traditional pocket knives that I really hate. Plastic versions of natural materials. I studied design in college and one of the first things they taught us was to be true to your materials. No wood grain formica or resin marble. Fake stag handles like "stagalon" look horrible to me. So does faux tortoise shell and synthetic abalone. I'm not fond of plastic pearl handles either. Plastic handles are fine as long as they are honest and look like plastic handles... like Buck's black saw cut delrin. That looks great. In fact, looking at my collection, all the handles are natural colors... tan, muted green, brown, black, brass, white. I don't care at all for tacky knives with pictures or slogans on them, and I don't like crazy colors like those bright yellow handles or psychedelic swirls.

There. Now I've told you what I don't like and don't care to see posted in this group. But I'm not going to try to create rules to build walls around myself. It's perfectly fine for other people to collect these kinds of knives, and I welcome them to post pictures of them and talk about them with other people in this group. I can coexist with things I don't care for without trying to bully people into taking their interests elsewhere. I'm an independent soul and I encourage other people to be the same. I'll admit... I do enjoy poking net cops and crotchety old farts with sticks on occasion... so don't be surprised if you get a jab if you act cranky!

 

[dantzk8]

I'll admit... I do enjoy poking net cops and crotchety old farts with sticks on occasion... so don't be surprised if you get a jab if you act cranky!

We will have to be careful. I shiver with fear.

Dan.

 

[B1GSHOT]

Hooray for satire! To quote Groucho Marx, "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man."

 

[PocketKnifeJimmy]

Some will even cringe to see a traditional looking knife with a liner lock, but my Camillus Cutlery WW2 Machete has one, and it's fast approaching 80 years old. So, it sometimes will seem that something is a newer invention, and with a little going back in history, one may discover it not being such a new idea at all.

 

[dantzk8]

Hooray for satire! To quote Groucho Marx, "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man."

Thanks, i feel better.

Dan.

 

[Heimdall82]

Edit - Actually, having just seen your post in the 'What makes a good traditional Barlow' thread, I'm beginning to think you might just be trolling here. You wouldn't be the first

I'm not trolling at all... i'm a big fan of the barlow pattern and it's nice to see the evolution of the Barlow, since it was considered almost a disposable knife back in time. Imho, GEC make the best traditionnal barlow, but seeing companies like James, Lionsteel and even Pena making barlow is great, even if they "put their touch" on the design... the main reason of my post was to know what's the opinion of mods and members (and barlow fans for sure) about these new version and if they still considerate these "traditionnal knives of classy modern knives". The main questions are: Can traditionnal knives evolve? Can we love and admire a pattern over the design and material? If not, where do we post it?

 

[Heimdall82]

Sorry for missing this until now Always important to read the rules - something that might have avoided the need for THIS thread!

I have read the rules and more than once! But i had the impressions theses rules were made before the hype of hydrids knives... some years ago, you had choice between traditionnal (mostly slipjoints) or modern tactical folders...
Don't act like a grumpy old man! I'm just asking questions and looking for answers! I'm pretty sure i'm not the only one!

 

[ferider]

It's funny: I've had pictures with non-traditional knives (depicted together with a pinned/no-pocket clip traditional) moved to "Traditional and Modern Pairings", with moderator notes that there is no other place on the porch allowed for them.

Different rules for different posters ? Just wondering.

 

[Heimdall82]

There's already a thread in this forum for traditional and modern knives
There's already a forum here for General Knife Discussion
If someone doesn't know the difference between traditional and modern ... stick around, look around and read
Of course there is a gray area and some folks try to push more and more modern knives into that gray area. Maybe that's what this thread is for (?)
And too, apparently a forum member can start their own thread with their own rules regardless of forum rules and play moderator

It's not!
The only reason for this thread was to see other modern/traditionnal/hybrids/gentleman knives... (that's why i put the tag "photo" on the thread....) because to my eyes, they are traditionnal pattern knives made with a modern touch... it was not meant to be a political debate or the start of WW3! hahaha i'll probably just delete the thread since it's looks like some people are upset and i didn't knew it was as sensitive subject...

 

[Heimdall82]

Except when it isn’t.

As a big barlow fan... i was almost upset when i saw this!

 

[JohnDF]

When I'm a guest in someone's house, I try to follow the rules and expectations of the owners.
If I do something that gets a negative reaction, I'll feel bad and try not to do that again.
If I don't like the rules or expectations set forth, I just won't go back for another visit.
There are plenty of other places I can go.

 

[Heimdall82]

Edited the main post...not sure if i can't delete the thread myself.

 

[Jack Black]

I'm not trolling at all... i'm a big fan of the barlow pattern and it's nice to see the evolution of the Barlow, since it was considered almost a disposable knife back in time. Imho, GEC make the best traditionnal barlow, but seeing companies like James, Lionsteel and even Pena making barlow is great, even if they "put their touch" on the design... the main reason of my post was to know what's the opinion of mods and members (and barlow fans for sure) about these new version and if they still considerate these "traditionnal knives of classy modern knives". The main questions are: Can traditionnal knives evolve? Can we love and admire a pattern over the design and material? If not, where do we post it?

The reason I thought that might be the case was that, along with this thread, you posted a photo in the 'What makes a good traditional Barlow' thread, which contains several knives, which I think you know aren't traditional Barlows. One of these doesn't even claim to be a Barlow, and as well as lacking a Barlow bolster, it has a modern liner-lock (hence a rather provocative post). Why don't you spend a little time learning about the pattern, that thread is a good place to start? Please understand that someone comes along every six months, and posts a thread like this, a discussion which could have been posted in General, without any of the rules you seem to find restrictive here. The issues you raise are not new ones for posters here, it is a subject that has been rather 'done to death', and which some here will find rather tiresome. Moreover, such discussions tend to be fractious. Why not take it to General?

I have read the rules and more than once! But i had the impressions theses rules were made before the hype of hydrids knives... some years ago, you had choice between traditionnal (mostly slipjoints) or modern tactical folders...
Don't act like a grumpy old man! I'm just asking questions and looking for answers! I'm pretty sure i'm not the only one!

The rules are clear enough for the vast majority of posters here, and while they may have been written some time ago, and were also once more strictly enforced, they are still current and applicable. There have always been knives, which, for one reason or another, fell foul of those rules.