it wasn't true. i did post at hoodep's threads only after he disappeared, while still

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i had no chance to say a word in original thread about stolen xm18 (closed thread).
that's how i saw it. he disappeared in emails while still posting here, so i started to ask him at his threads to understand what happened. there is always a slight chance that you have some mailbox service problem, and i am always afraid if someone is mad at me somehow (it was very surprisingly he suddenly stopped to answer as i was never behaving bad or think bad about him, because i liked him very much, he said he will fight to the end, i never expected he disappears). Eric, if you really meant it what you said, there is some misunderstanding. i never wanted to do anything bad. there is no one other than seller, who can return money stolen by ems post.
 
there is very good decent people here who know who i am and that i am telling the truth.
 
And I have no idea what you are talking about. :confused:

You stole a knife. Or the other guy did? But now he won't talk to you? Who will fight until the end, and for what?
 
Please stop, please.

There is a reason the first thread got closed.
Time to move on man, please.
 
Bringing the matter up immediately is the way to deal with these situations, not after the fact and not with multiple accounts. There is a right way to do these things and a wrong way, you chose the wrong way. What else are we to do at this point? What are you after? There is an obvious language barrier, but it's really difficult to understand what you want exactly. Posting once every couple days makes for a much more challenging read.

You had a chance when you started the other thread, you could have organized your thoughts, gotten your facts together and presented something substantial. You made 4 posts just a short little comment in each one, and we are supposed to make sense of that how? You haven't even made an attempt to explain what you did to help yourself in your previous thread. DId you bother to check with customs at all in your country? I'd bet someone in that department has your knife.
 
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RevDevil said:
Bringing the matter up immediately is the way to deal with these situations, not after the fact and not with multiple accounts. There is a right way to do these things and a wrong way, you chose the wrong way. What else are we to do at this point? What are you after? There is an obvious language barrier, but it's really difficult to understand what you want exactly. Posting once every couple days makes for a much more challenging read.

You had a chance when you started the other thread, you could have organized your thoughts, gotten your facts together and presented something substantial. You made 4 posts just a short little comment in each one, and we are supposed to make sense of that how? You haven't even made an attempt to explain what you did to help yourself in your previous thread. DId you bother to check with customs at all in your country? I'd bet someone in that department has your knife.
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i went to post and we made documents and sent them to moscow, i brougt other documents to police, they smoke there, i have bad health and asthma, but i went there multiple times, and they sent those documents to moscow police too and received them back, but still they can't do anything, because it is only sender who can demand for insurance refund. it is VERY large amount of money (for me), time, and health i lost on this deal, if seller do nothing.
 
Seriously. This again :rolleyes:

How did you pay the guy, not that it really matters. If it is such a large amount of money for you then why spend it on something you know might not even make it over the border? I mean, you can do what you want with your own money but this is why I would never send anything of real value to Russia and many other countries.
 
1 Did you post a line of how things went down--Proof--emails--PMs..
2 Agreed with Rev..bringing it to light is great..good for both sides..
3 This is a terribly circle of "this and that" verbage with no concrete efforts too PROVE YOUR COMPLAINT.
4 I believe--You might not understand the english language as well as you may think and or .YOU might need someone close to you to help explain the break down of terminology..
5 When--(NOT OFTEN) I send things out of USA..Not sure what the terms of your agreement with seller where or where NOT
MY TERMS are and always are as follows...
""I get paid for item... I box item...I print postage (full fees of postage is on buyer)..I provide tracking information..I give a date I dropped it off at post office... AFTER THAT--UPON Fully agreed terms.. I CLAIM NO responsibility if the item makes it to the other party..NONE--Not if seized by customs..theft...mis delivered..Drop off the plane..WHATEVER..."

I guess that would be my next question to you..
Was said terms possibly agreed upon on your behalf after the knife was shipped too you.. THE seller shipped and fulfilled his side..AND it simply never made it to you???
I feel that point needs to be addressed and the SELLER truly might need to pipe in..
If you have been taken advantage of by a member here.. ALWAYS know ..You do have folks on your side too help..
I have been reading all of this since it began..
In my opinion..
You side of this is very very VAGUE..Other than..You spent LOTS of your money and received no knife..AND this happened quite a bit ago..AND you are bringing this to everyones attention now??

** I just looked up the seller---This member has an OUTSTANDING rep in here..With 167---COUNT THEM 167 ""POSITIVE feedbacks left by buyers and sellers""
NOW that being said.. I FEEL..The seller is NOT intentionally doing anything to cause you a loss of a KNIFE--He has too good of a reputation..TO let this put him in a class of people simply ripping people off..SO much more information needs to be placed forth by MORDA**

Ok Now my hands are tired..
I wish you well with a resolution..

=Keith
 
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morda said:
i went to post and we made documents and sent them to moscow, i brougt other documents to police, they smoke there, i have bad health and asthma, but i went there multiple times, and they sent those documents to moscow police too and received them back, but still they can't do anything, because it is only sender who can demand for insurance refund. it is VERY large amount of money (for me), time, and health i lost on this deal, if seller do nothing.
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Morda,

You need to give us some more background on this deal.

I know most members who are even willing to ship to Russia, will not take responsibility once the knife clears the USA, and rightfully so.

I think that the burden would be on you to direct the seller to use the proper shipping methods to ensure you receive the goods, after all, you know your countries laws, as well as the well documented issues of postal theft.

I think at this point, the only way you should move forward with this thread is to produce something that shows us the arrangements you made with seller....
Otherwise, it's hard for us to understand the liability he has, all things considered.
 
morda,

hoodep posted this (in part) in the now-closed thread:

hoodep said:
...Scale3.5 bought the Hinderer XM from me in the thread listed there. I posted in the thread that international shipping was at the buyer's risk and it is still there along with the pictures to this day. I shipped the knife as agreed and was allegedly stolen in transit. I filed a claim with USPS, which was denied due to a knife being a restricted item to ship to Russia. Supplied whomever at the email scale3.5 was using with paperwork from USPS, emails etc but he would just not go away. Since this situation occurred, he has posted random stuff in many of my sale threads with nonsense etc. Feel free to check with rycen - I contacted him around the time the knife was supposedly stolen/lost, and a few other times to remove the comments he made in my threads. As a result, I quit responding to any emails...
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Link to full post quoted above

That statement is indeed there. IMHO, when the buyer chose to buy the knife, he assumed the responsibility of it getting to him via international shipping. So, the responsibility was no longer with hoodep once he shipped it out.

morda, if there is another reason why he should be responsible, I would be interested in hearing it. At this point - with the available info we have - I don't see where he has any responsibility to you beyond good will.

JMO.
 
Ok buddy
There it is..
SELLER OWES YOU NOTHING
Since you consented too TERMS.
After he shipped.
THE RISK..ALL the Risk..IS ON THE BUYER...

This OPINION of mine is scrictly
As it pertains to this transaction..AND OUT of USA Sales..

So this post trying to slam a member in stellar standings..

IS completely DEAD...
You accepted the terms
The knife never made it for whatever reason.
The link that was presented her is proof
Paper trails DONT LIE
EXACTLY what seems to have happened
Sounds like an OPEN and SHUT case
With buyer..Pissed off and upset..Due to the agreed terms and BUYER trying to stir up the pot..

MY opinion since the new info has come too light..
MODS and Morda need too follow up with each other and this NEEDS TO BE CLOSED...:D
 
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GIZMOMAN, i can't say I agree with this logic at all. Maybe for an international sale, but as far as domestic, no. thats pretty unfair to the buyer.

Its your prerogative man, but for me a deal is not over till both parties are happy(unless someone is at fault ie: fraudulent custom form, not knowing local knife

laws.)

""I get paid for item... I box item...I print postage (full fees of postage is on buyer)..I provide tracking information..I give a date I dropped it off at post office... AFTER THAT--UPON Fully agreed terms.. I CLAIM NO responsibility if the item makes it to the other party..NONE--Not if seized by customs..theft...mis delivered..Drop off the plane..WHATEVER..."
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This OPINION of mine is scrictly
As it pertains to this transaction..AND OUT of USA Sales..

I am fully in agreement to most sales--In USA sales--Insure--Follow up--Make certain all is good with deal too the end.:thumbup:
Although with out of USA sales as this thread is in regards to..
I am in FULL fledged agreement with the terms agreed upon before sale was made and shipping took place.

It is to my understanding by reading the provided thread..
The terms where agreed upon.. Sale was made
Knife was shipped. BUYER TOOK ALL The risk--Seems very evident..
I lay terms out..BUYER agrees..I provide shipping tracker.
Follow up with buyer..BUT Bottom line..THAT is why MANY members in here WILL NOT ship outside of USA.
DUE to these instances ...TO THE ""T""
And more times than not (MY Opinion)
It is just a big hassle and you wait for stuff like this to fall from the sky and you have too spend time
getting things in order and sometimes defending yourself..
 
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ThievesLikeUs said:
GIZMOMAN, i can't say I agree with this logic at all. Maybe for an international sale, but as far as domestic, no. thats pretty unfair to the buyer.

Its your prerogative man, but for me a deal is not over till both parties are happy(unless someone is at fault ie: fraudulent custom form, not knowing local knife

laws.)
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The seller can put in any clause that he want's for domestic or International.

It's the buyers decision to except that clause or not.

I have seen listings that said 'PP gift ONLY'
While that is crazy in many ways, it's up to the buyers to decide if they want to take these 'risks'.....
 
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morda,

hoodep posted this (in part) in the now-closed thread:



Link to full post quoted above

That statement is indeed there. IMHO, when the buyer chose to buy the knife, he assumed the responsibility of it getting to him via international shipping. So, the responsibility was no longer with hoodep once he shipped it out.

morda, if there is another reason why he should be responsible, I would be interested in hearing it. At this point - with the available info we have - I don't see where he has any responsibility to you beyond good will.

JMO.
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Thanks for this.

I guess this thread is done.

If I shipped to Russia, it would have to include this 'clause'

It's there, the buyer agreed to take on the responsibility, and there is zero the seller is responsible for once the knife left the USA.
 
ThievesLikeUs said:
GIZMOMAN, i can't say I agree with this logic at all. Maybe for an international sale, but as far as domestic, no. thats pretty unfair to the buyer.

Its your prerogative man, but for me a deal is not over till both parties are happy(unless someone is at fault ie: fraudulent custom form, not knowing local knife

laws.)
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Well, that is the point, isn't it? The seller ONLY had those criteria for an international sale (see the sale thread). It was fairly obvious reading what all took place that the seller was not crazy about selling internationally but was willing to do so if the buyer paid for shipping and took ALL the risk. Don't blame him. A domestic sale would not have had that stipulation. The sale thread said [again, in part]:

hoodep said:
Price all inclusive shipped USPS within the USA. International add for additional PP fees, Express shipping costs & assume all risk.
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Link to full post in original sales thread

Note that morda and scale3.5 are the same member.
 
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ThievesLikeUs said:
GIZMOMAN, i can't say I agree with this logic at all. Maybe for an international sale, but as far as domestic, no. thats pretty unfair to the buyer.

Its your prerogative man, but for me a deal is not over till both parties are happy(unless someone is at fault ie: fraudulent custom form, not knowing local knife

laws.)
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That is the part that is difficult to understand, especially after so much time has passed, multiple accounts, etc. Hard for anyone except the 2 people involved to make any sense of the whole thing.
 
i already red the half of messages. yes, no blaming the seller, BUT i paid insurance and the only way is the sender to demand it from ems. if he agreed to ship with insurance, it automatically means it isn't insured just for fun! it is insured to not loose money if it is burned or stolen or other bad things, right? so he go and get it from ems, if he is a good man. thAt is the right thing in this deal.
 
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