It's the 22nd!

Ditto on the "GO" but not when 95% of the population is at work. :D

I don't know anything about this GO thing but I will be sure to look into it. I'm assuming it is just a heads up to go place an order. I haven't done that because we are already selling out in 20 minutes. By the time I post that they are in stock, half of them will already be sold. That won't be the case once the preorders are out. For now, Guy has to split his time between fulfilling past promises and keeping the lights on.

The work issue is exactly why I have always said that there is no set time for when the knives will be listed. Some Mondays they won't be listed until 8pm PST. This Monday I listed them early because people are still getting used to the new system and I knew they would be online first thing looking for them. The Monday before I could barely get the product pages setup because the phone kept ringing. Now that people are starting to get used to it, expect the release anywhere between 8am-8pm.
 
Quality knife that is affordable. Yet most people can't buy one. I hope that one thought sinks in for a lot of people.

Hey man, I'm between projects and will get to read and respond more tonight, but I think if we look at the big picture....... "Quality knife that is affordable. Yet most people can't buy one TODAY", might be more appropriate. No, I can't tell the future, but they are making changes in the best interest of everyone. Like Ellie said they're working on preorders but still need some money coming in. After all preorders are done, even if that is a ways out, I think the weekly sales will be a benefit.
 
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BF wouldn't let me post with your response in quotes but I think you did a very good job of summing up where you guys are at and why.

I do not wish to get into a war of opinions, because frankly that's all they are, and this one is mine and mine alone: I have long dreamed of owning a knife company. I am not a maker at current, hell I am not even that good at sharpening but I think I would be good and passionate about designing. I also think If I ever did dare big, I would likely follow a similar path as Survive!....and that is usually where my dream stops. Watching all the pain they go through trying to get off the ground scares the shit out of me. There is a lot of rhetoric that borders on entitlement. At the end of the day they are only required to deliver paid for knives, and sell what they want/can. They do not owe anyone a specific business model other than what they feel COMFORTABLE with. Small business is fraught with risks, and from the sounds of it they have been burned by a lot of the potential pitfalls of those risks. There is another company that releases their weekly sales thread at 2-3 on a Friday and no one seems to light their forum on fire for it. They are also more establish and a little older. I found out about survive about a yr and a half ago and have been able to order 8 knives directly from them since that time... The hyperbole is understandable but at the end of the day its frustration talking, I've been there, I understand it, but lets move past it?
 
Dear Ellie and Guy,

:applouse: :couple_inlove:Congratulations to the bride and groom! :couple_inlove: :applouse:
 
Want to sell knives with minimal frustration then follow the Fiddleback Forge model. That said I own five of their knives but they have steadily increased their prices without an appropriate increase in the quality of their materials yet they have a steady, predictable 'want to buy' audience. However, I don't think that will continue as is.if not changing prices or materials or both. Nevertheless they sell knives on a regular basis each Friday and while it may not be a huge volume it is a dependable market. They even take pride in having "shark sales" each Friday. I own two Survive! knives, a 3.5 and a 4.1 and I ordered a 4.7 in December with the anticipation it would be delivered in January. I was also charged for that purchase, something I won't ever do again. That is a very poor business model and there are testimonies in abundance to substantiate that. I think Survive! makes a quality product for the price. I do however buy true customs on the "fixed blade knife for sale" forum and have been equally gratified by the quality of the knives I have bought in the $200 price range. So Hale Storm has made some very insightful and constructive recommendations and criticisms regarding the Survive! business model and I would hope they take those comments as being helpful and make changes accordingly.
 
Ellie, if I can be of any help on a 'go' system, pm or email me. I've been through a few of the busse ganzas and maybe you could see if it would or wouldn't be helpful for you.

Ronnie, if you need a proxy for the Monday sales, shoot me a pm.
 
I'd say one other thing here. Bladeforums, to me, is about community. I'd help out any of the regulars here with a proxy situation or watching for certain stuff. As a matter of fact, I'm doing that for a friend right now, as well as watching for my own wants. Not a big deal, most of us eat, sleep and breath knives anyway, ha.
 
I'd say one other thing here. Bladeforums, to me, is about community. I'd help out any of the regulars here with a proxy situation or watching for certain stuff. As a matter of fact, I'm doing that for a friend right now, as well as watching for my own wants. Not a big deal, most of us eat, sleep and breath knives anyway, ha.

Agreed with everything said here (including already doing it for a friend)
 
I own two Survive! knives, a 3.5 and a 4.1 and I ordered a 4.7 in December with the anticipation it would be delivered in January. I was also charged for that purchase, something I won't ever do again. That is a very poor business model and there are testimonies in abundance to substantiate that.

We definitely had some unexpected delays on getting that batch of knives out. Which is exactly why we have started doing the Monday releases. The knives available for regular ordering each Monday have already been through the machines so they aren't going to run into those same issues. The blades are done, the orders will just need to be built to customer specifications and packed up.
 
No matter what business model, you have a risk of disappointing some customers. S!K has put a plan in place and is following it, and are experiencing some of the risks. On the plus side, S!K has been nothing if not transparent about their methods and there is an amazing sense of camaraderie and enthusiasm. It is hard (Freaking HARD!!) to build a small business these days, so I applaud them for doing it. The common approach is to compromise on materials and/or quality, and so far S!K refuses to follow that path. They've got a good thing going, and are conscientious about addressing the problems that are cropping up, while sticking to their principles. Good for them.
 
Ellie, if I can be of any help on a 'go' system, pm or email me. I've been through a few of the busse ganzas and maybe you could see if it would or wouldn't be helpful for you.

Ronnie, if you need a proxy for the Monday sales, shoot me a pm.

Texas offered to do that for me too. That's why, on my Survive posts, I count you guys as my friends here on BF. I'm relieved to see I didn't offend anyone; it took some courage to say what I said, but I'm man enough to stand behind it. THANK YOU Texas and Hard. You guys are the best.

I DO think the problem can be solved while still keeping with the high ideals that Guy and Ellie have proffered. No doubt the Survive!Knives line of knives and Guy's designs has had an impact on the entire blade world ( a positive one of course). It's just this one little negative thing that keeps haunting it and it's customers( I KNOW I'm not the only one).
 
i think they know what they want to do and are following through with it, and i support that. there are worse things someone can say about a knife company other than "i want want one but dont want to wait". everyone has an opinion and a solution buts it isnt your company and livelihood on the line. many these other companies mentioned had years long waiting lists before they changed there business model, and they only changed it when they comfortably could. this topic has been beat to death by now, lets revisit it after all preordering production has been finished.


congrats to the happy couple!
 
Congrats you two. Technically momma toothpick and I are not married but we know a piece of paper isn't going to decide our fate. We are what we are.

As for the Monday morning mayhem I can see most not getting to buy because of work. I on the other hand ride in a truck 2-7 hours on Monday morning so it will help calm my nerves. :)
 
We definitely had some unexpected delays on getting that batch of knives out. Which is exactly why we have started doing the Monday releases. The knives available for regular ordering each Monday have already been through the machines so they aren't going to run into those same issues. The blades are done, the orders will just need to be built to customer specifications and packed up.
Good to know Ellie...Thanks!
 
I was disappointed, but now I'm excited again about trying on the next Monday. I get to be excited about acquiring a knife, then happy that I have and can use it when I get it. Unpleasant feelings = brief. Pleasant feelings = long.

And in the end, it's ... a knife ...

Thanks for staying true to your principles SURVIVE!, and helping me keep things in perspective.
 
I can't imagine what will happen if 1/10th of the American population found an interest in Survive! products, and we haven't touched on international interests like those from myself yet. How then would it be realistic to still be running a 3 man team outputting knives for the multitudes? The Monday sales is going to be like shark feeding frenzy and many are going to be disappointed due to some commitments taking their time away from placing the order, made worst by the fact that there's only so few pieces up on sale at a time to cope with the increasing number of interests. I can only foresee things getting worst in the future and secondary market prices would be skyrocketing as demands shoots way pass availability. Does that go well with offering quality knives at an affordable price? What good is that when customers can't get in line to buy it direct from S!K? As said, there's going to be a lot of customers or would be customers without a GSO knife. Of course I understand the need for perfection and I want it too from the products that I had paid for with my hardearned money, but Survive! must learn to strike a balance to cope with demands and yet maintain quality. There's got to be a way around that. Training skilled workers takes time, but it has to be done. You can't continue doing what you are doing just because you are having frustrations after frustrations dealing with workers who did not perform to your expectations. More and more orders and interests are going to come in the future. You should be geared up for that and should already start training the manpower required from now. If Survive! stops taking pre-orders, the prices on the secondary market would really start rocketing skywards and many would start to lose interest no matter how good the products may be. I most likely would too as I see availability getting harder and harder to fulfill without the pre-order.

If I were operating Survive!, I would allow pre-orders to go for a duration of one month for each model, close it, move on to the next model for pre-orders, and then start the manufacturing process for the current pre-orders. Do this for all the models and restart the cycle again. This will help maintain a more controlled quantity than to keep the order open for so long, way longer than S!K could manage to fulfill on time. Start training workers on the skill set required to do the job and allow the company to gradually expand. As have been said, Guy is only human and he's not a robot. He will be drained one day, he will start losing the passion having to do the same mundane job of sharpening so many knives, he will probably lose his focus too. This is not about whether Guy wants to expand his business, but that he must expand the business to keep customer's interest in the products as demands sore. I hope S!K would take the time to think about the business strategy again.
 
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