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The ironic thing about this thread is its only going to multiply the things the OP is bitching about.. Kinda of a two edged sword as it were. These threads usually help a maker like Rick more than they ever hurt..
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I've lost respect for Rick Hinderer.
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I know that...it is the "do your research"...which part are you referring to, makers that use in house CNC, or those that basically assemble everything that has been produced by outsourcing?
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I betcha the OP would rather this thread go away sooner than later. He probably doesn't realize that all he needs to do is close it, and all the postings end.
But not sure that would be fair to Hinderer, who has received great P/R from it, LOL.
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Non Paying registered users don't get the privilege of closing a thread, its here to stay... that is until a moderator closes it, or it dies out.
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Non Paying registered users don't get the privilege of closing a thread, its here to stay... that is until a moderator closes it, or it dies out.
Learn something every day. If I were him, I would pony up a platinum registration quick, then!
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I doubt he cares and I doubt this thread will change anyones minds of anything.
Those who hate him will still hate him and those that love him will still love him.
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I doubt anyone who's mentally stable hates him, dislike is another story.
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Thank you corz, because of this thread i have decided to buy a hinderer xm-18 i didnt know that he would still make customs for soldiers, knowing this i have decided to support him by buying one of his knives. gonna be a bit of saving but im sure i will be well worth it. 
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Thank you corz, because of this thread i have decided to buy a hinderer xm-18 i didnt know that he would still make customs for soldiers, knowing this i have decided to support him by buying one of his knives. gonna be a bit of saving but im sure i will be well worth it.
good luck in your search:thumbup:
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Thank you corz, because of this thread i have decided to buy a hinderer xm-18 i didnt know that he would still make customs for soldiers, knowing this i have decided to support him by buying one of his knives. gonna be a bit of saving but im sure i will be well worth it.
Glad some good came from this train wreck.
One of these days I'll track one down too. It's definitely on my wish list(3.5 inch blade and no flipper).
I think some people have gotten the wrong idea. I didn't start this thread because I somehow thought I could negatively affect Rick's business. Of course not. Just because my personal feelings towards the way he's conducted himself business-wise has changed doesn't mean I'm on a quest to ruin him.
If you want to buy an XM-18, fine. The thread is just my personal opinion. Nothing more. I've also stated numerous times in this thread that the way he wants to conduct his business is his choice. We live in a free country. He should be able to do as he pleases. With that said, I'm able to express my opinion on it as well regardless if it's positive or negative.
If you want to buy an XM-18, fine. The thread is just my personal opinion. Nothing more. I've also stated numerous times in this thread that the way he wants to conduct his business is his choice. We live in a free country. He should be able to do as he pleases. With that said, I'm able to express my opinion on it as well regardless if it's positive or negative.
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You don't have to be a Platinum member to close a thread, I can close one that I start.
I believe that all PAYING members can close their own threads.
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I believe that all PAYING members can close their own threads.
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So let me see if I understand this. Mr. Hinderer raised his prices because, at a minimum, there is an increased demand for his product and he was, in the opinion of many including pretty much every buyer in the secondary market, not charging enough for his knives. Well, to paraphrase Frank Zappa "just how evil can an Eskimo boy be?" How shameful that a man who is trying to run a small business would adjust his pricing to match what the market will bear so that he can make a decent wage doing his work. Great oppressors of the proletariat one and all, those famous knifemakers. (insert official BF sarcasm warning label here) Why did he raise his prices? Because he COULD and, from what some people are saying on here, because he SHOULD have. More power to him. I am envious of his success, but not jealous, if that distinction without a difference makes any sense.
As for the OP, this issue may be moot. Unless you had an outstanding order with Mr. Hinderer before he closed his waiting list, you weren't going to get one of his handmade knives at anything close to his old OR new asking price anyway. While you may be all riled up about him raising his prices for some philosophical reason that eludes the rest of us, since he is now going to be making versions of his knives that have some outsourced CNC components, you may actually have the opportunity to purchase a Hinderer knife and for significantly less than you would have to pay for a handmade version in the open market to boot. So what's the real problem here?
As for the OP, this issue may be moot. Unless you had an outstanding order with Mr. Hinderer before he closed his waiting list, you weren't going to get one of his handmade knives at anything close to his old OR new asking price anyway. While you may be all riled up about him raising his prices for some philosophical reason that eludes the rest of us, since he is now going to be making versions of his knives that have some outsourced CNC components, you may actually have the opportunity to purchase a Hinderer knife and for significantly less than you would have to pay for a handmade version in the open market to boot. So what's the real problem here?
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You certainly are able to express your opinion, and everyone else is free to express their opinion of your opinion.
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raising prices is a very slippery slope for many given the current economic climate. uncertainty abounds and many are tightening their wallets. it seems to me that Hinderers clientele would be those in the tax bracket that are feeling the squeeze the most. I hope this pays off for him in the long run.
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Without siding with the OP opinion of Rick, I do think there were some disappointments regarding people who had been waiting on an order and expecting a Gen 2 type model. Keeping the price of the Gen 3s at the level of the Gen 2 seemed perfectly reasonable to me as well, regardless of if some people didn't like it. It really didn't seem fair to me that Rick was making knives and getting a significantly smaller profit than buyers (who were strictly flippers) on the secondary market.
Further, it appears that raising one's prices to match the market is not only is a common thing to do, but is expected as the maker's popularity rises. The good thing (that the OP took as a "bad" thing) is that Rick gave us common folk an option to go for the Gen 3 rather than leaving us high and dry where we couldn't afford the increased prices of the full customs.
The fact is had this change not occurred, many Hinderer fans would still not be Hinderer owners. And this didn't sit well with Rick, especially knowing that there are soldiers fighting for their lives and our freedoms who could use these tools.
Could he have kept the prices down and continued to do full customs? Sure. But it would unreasonable to do so. The reason people run their own business is so that they may have a chance at the American dream. Why should he and his family suffer while hundreds of anxious buyers stack more responsibility on him and expect a low cost? What's really in it for him to continue on?
So I think the OP's focus is very one-sided. That we can just expect the goose to keep laying us golden eggs at a higher and higher production rate and not feed him appropriately to get the job done. More power to Rick and I wish him the best in his business.
For the guy who asked if he should go with a Hinderer or a Strider, go with the Hinderer if you can find one. Strider's will be easier to get a hold of later.
Further, it appears that raising one's prices to match the market is not only is a common thing to do, but is expected as the maker's popularity rises. The good thing (that the OP took as a "bad" thing) is that Rick gave us common folk an option to go for the Gen 3 rather than leaving us high and dry where we couldn't afford the increased prices of the full customs.
The fact is had this change not occurred, many Hinderer fans would still not be Hinderer owners. And this didn't sit well with Rick, especially knowing that there are soldiers fighting for their lives and our freedoms who could use these tools.
Could he have kept the prices down and continued to do full customs? Sure. But it would unreasonable to do so. The reason people run their own business is so that they may have a chance at the American dream. Why should he and his family suffer while hundreds of anxious buyers stack more responsibility on him and expect a low cost? What's really in it for him to continue on?
So I think the OP's focus is very one-sided. That we can just expect the goose to keep laying us golden eggs at a higher and higher production rate and not feed him appropriately to get the job done. More power to Rick and I wish him the best in his business.
For the guy who asked if he should go with a Hinderer or a Strider, go with the Hinderer if you can find one. Strider's will be easier to get a hold of later.