I've lost respect for Rick Hinderer.

Hi Severed,

You are welcome.

One of the aspects that is shared by most involved in custom knives...especially the makers; is independence.

Each thinks they know the best way or that the person who taught them knows the best way, that is only natural.

Collectors, to a large degree are influenced by other collectors, magazine articles, etc. Most buyers don't want to be the first...about 60% fit into the middle area.

Had I not been a full time custom knife dealer for over 14 years, Im sure I would not have a full appreciation of what it takes to be successful in the custom knife business...to be able to make a career of it...with nothing else to fall back on (as in a full time job).

It is a mind set that most makers think they understand...however until you see a stack of bills that are only going to be paid for by the knives you sell....you really don't full appreciate that situation.

I suspect it is the same for every small business owner across the world.
 
severedthumbs said:
??? Sorry that reality ruins threads for you KJ.
KJ i think Ricks knives are priced right in line with their value now. Before they were quite underpriced. Sorry if I didnt make that point clear before. I am not in regards to Rick with my comment but all knives in general.

I am hoping for Les to share the history knowledge with us of makers that over estimate the value of their knives and price according to the extremely over inflated secondary. And hopefully Les offer his advice for how makers should handle pricing their knives when the secondary goes insane for their wares.
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What ruins threads for me is your tendency for popping into the middle of a popular thread from nowhere and trying your best to take it as far off topic as possible. Your only posts to this thread (3, I believe) until this post have been regarding Les not the subject matter. Seems you are usually more interested in starting conflict than addressing the subject. Example, your back and forward here with John. Perhaps that wasn't your intent here and I apologize if it wasn't, however you have built a history of doing such.
 
Kevin Jones said:
What ruins threads for me is your tendency for popping into the middle of a popular thread from nowhere and trying your best to take it as far off topic as possible. Your only posts to this thread (3, I believe) until this post have been regarding Les not the subject matter. Seems you are usually more interested in starting conflict than addressing the subject. Example, your back and forward here with John. Perhaps that wasn't your intent here and I apologize if it wasn't, however you have built a history of doing such.
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Well KJ I posted a legit request for Les to post his knowledge here, I don't see how that is off topic. I only came into this thread after it became about makers and how they price knives. I had nothing to say about Rick and his knives so I stayed out.

KJ please reread and it will be clear to you that JOHN T WYLIE JR did his best as he always does to take the thread off topic by belittling a person that I have much respect for. All I did was stick up for Les and state why I requested his input here.

But yeah I can see how JOHN T WYLIE JR disrespecting Les is completely my fault and goes totally unnoticed by you. Thanks a lot KJ, but I will not be bullied by you!
 
Severed , please , don't flatter yourself bud.

I did not bring LES's name into this thread , you did , I merely made my comment , based on what I felt you were trying to accomplish. You sir , are dismissed. The thread was cruising along nicely , until your comment.

Les , since you commented , if you will sir...

Les Robertson said:
Hi Severed,
Each thinks they know the best way or that the person who taught them knows the best way, that is only natural.
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Would you agree this includes you sir ?

Les Robertson said:
Had I not been a full time custom knife dealer for over 14 years, Im sure I would not have a full appreciation of what it takes to be successful in the custom knife business...to be able to make a career of it...with nothing else to fall back on (as in a full time job).
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Would a maker who has been at his craft , dealing with his customers for the same amount of time( or even 1/2 that amount ) , not have the same knowledge of his business ?
 
severedthumbs said:
Well KJ I posted a legit request for Les to post his knowledge here, I don't see how that is off topic. I only came into this thread after it became about makers and how they price knives. I had nothing to say about Rick and his knives so I stayed out.

KJ please reread and it will be clear to you that JOHN T WYLIE JR did his best as he always does to take the thread off topic by belittling a person that I have much respect for. All I did was stick up for Les and state why I requested his input here.

But yeah I can see how JOHN T WYLIE JR disrespecting Les is completely my fault and goes totally unnoticed by you. Thanks a lot KJ, but I will not be bullied by you!
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You're the one with ALL the gangster rap, not me. ;):D:D
 
Hi Severed,

Just let it go. Kevin does the same thing he has accused you of.

To my knowledge I have never met or talked with John. Obviously he has taken exception to some of the things I have said. I saw the "giraffe bone" comment.

He by his definition is a "hobby knife maker" so he can make whatever he likes, use whatever materials he likes and sell the knife for whatever he likes or give it away...if he likes.

If he doesn't feel my take on the custom knife market is accurate or feels my views disagree with his assessment that is his prerogative.

Im really surprised that this thread has gone on as long as it has. Basically the second post should have said..."Life is full of disappointment...get over it and move on.
 
Hi John,

As I stated earlier, I do not believe I have ever met you or talked with you.

I have no idea what kind of knives you make, materials you use (other than giraffe bone :D) and/or what your pricing structure is.

Yes, I would agree that you are more knowledgeable about your business (although you should change your comment on your profile, it says you are a "hobby" maker). If you need to know what you are...ask the IRS they have the definitive answer. LOL

My business is custom knives...not just one makers knives...the whole spectrum.

So if I agree that you know more about your business than I do...you in turn would have to reciprocate and agree that I know more about my business than you do.

That being said, lets get back to Rick Hinderer and what a great guy he is and how he, after many years has built a very successful business. Going by what John says...Obviously Rick would know more about the business of Hinderer knives than any person posting here. With that John and I are in full agreement.
 
Les ,

I do not disagree with everything you say. I will not agree with someone just because " they say it is so ".

I won't say your take is not accurate on custom knives , what I was trying to point out to severed was regardless of what your take , or anyone else s take is on a situation or market , it does not ALWAYS apply in every situation , there will always be exceptions to every rule or best practice. Would you agree ?

My comment after severed mentioned your name , was solely to state , that no matter what you say , or anyone else , it is not going to change the situation the OP was complaining about. It is what it is.

My comment was made in jest , hence the :) and the giraffe bone comment was just to show that not everyone sees things the same way.
 
Les Robertson said:
Hi Severed,

Just let it go. Kevin does the same thing he has accused you of.

To my knowledge I have never met or talked with John. Obviously he has taken exception to some of the things I have said. I saw the "giraffe bone" comment.

He by his definition is a "hobby knife maker" so he can make whatever he likes, use whatever materials he likes and sell the knife for whatever he likes or give it away...if he likes.

If he doesn't feel my take on the custom knife market is accurate or feels my views disagree with his assessment that is his prerogative.

Im really surprised that this thread has gone on as long as it has. Basically the second post should have said..."Life is full of disappointment...get over it and move on.
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Actually Les, my little excursions from topic usually don't degenerate into how many hundreds I tip cocktail waitresses in Vegas, gangster rap or posting photos during a productive knife discussion of scantly clad tattooed women and such. Not, mind you, that I have anything at all against scantly clad women with tattoos. ;) :thumbup:
 
Kevin Jones said:
Actually Les, my little excursions from topic usually don't degenerate into how many hundreds I tip cocktail waitresses in Vegas, gangster rap or posting photos during a productive knife discussion of scantly clad tattooed women and such. Not, mind you, that I have anything at all against scantly clad women with tattoos. ;) :thumbup:
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now KJ, its been a while since any of the aforementioned has happened.
 
Les ,

I agree ,you know way more about your business .

You have forgot more about custom knives that I will ever know , I will not argue there.

I am not worried about the IRS , I am more worried about the wife realizing how much money I lose on each knife I make. For me , yes , it is a hobby , I give away far more than I sell , it is not a means of income , other than to replenish my small stash of supplies. ADD and knife making do not mix , this I learned early...." ohh looks , this is shiney ! " ;)

We do agree , Rick knows what is best for Hinderer Knives .

With that , I bid you a nice weekend.

severedthumbs said:
now KJ, its been a while since any of the aforementioned has happened.
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Can't speak for Kevin , but perhaps , your own words might make his point.

severedthumbs said:
perhaps a history lesson is in order.
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Les Robertson said:
Basically the second post should have said..."Life is full of disappointment...get over it and move on.
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Bingo!, Les. You were right on target here. It has taken, so far, about seven pages for a "troll in waiting" to get everyone upset with him with each other as well.

As far as different opinions go, my different opinion is that Esav, or someone should have moved this to GB&U or Whine and Cheese about six pages ago. I don't think there is much room for this kind of exchange in the Custom Knife Forum where the more "gentile" of us congregate.:D

One last thing. Rick is a big boy, and he can take care of himself. Let him kick the OP's ass IF he has the time to waste. His pricing is, was and always will be his business.

Paul
 
sheathmaker said:
someone should have moved this to GB&U or Whine and Cheese about six pages ago. I don't think there is much room for this kind of exchange in the Custom Knife Forum where the more "gentile" of us congregate.:D
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that is exactly what I have been thinking. This thread is a train wreck, and was from the get go. Hopefully, everyone got their angst out now, and we can move on to something productive.

At least this thread drew Les out of the woodwork again, that's a plus in my book. Welcome back, Les!
 
Ironically, as I alluded to earlier, this actually turned out to be a pretty positive thread for Rick.
 
Jos said:
Me too...

Problem is it's probably one of them immortal threads, you can keep shooting them dead, they still come back.:D

Kind regards,

Jos
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Amen! Not to sound pretentious, but hope mine is the last word on this thread.

Paul :rolleyes:
 
Threads like this exist because most collectors have NO idea how the knives of the most popular (high volume) tactical makers are usually made. Do your research before you get your bubble burst.
 
Bladeandbarrel said:
Threads like this exist because most collectors have NO idea how the knives of the most popular (high volume) tactical makers are usually made. Do your research before you get your bubble burst.
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Anthony,

I like to think that I know how most knives are made, having, like you, a solid background in the industry.

What exactly are you saying?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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