Josh Burbank PVK

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? Is it allowed by Ebay policy to cancel deals with highest bidders. I know here you don't have to sell to anyone that you choose not to, but I don't sell on Ebay so I am not sure what their policy/rules are.
(looks like you can, but will receive a defect mark-too many of which effects your standing)

So far the buyer is only guilty of being a jerk. There is no way to say for sure what he would or wouldn't have done. That is not to say the OP couldn't feel strange vibes from the deal and be concerned.
 
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My understanding is that Ebay will let sellers cancel winning bids and block bidders. They also let the winning bidder with the cancelled bid leave feedback. I do not think there is a policy that one must sell to the winning bidder, but I am not an Ebay expert.
 
Peter Hartwig said:
? Is it allowed by Ebay policy to cancel deals with highest bidders. I know here you don't have to sell to anyone that you choose not to, but I don't sell on Ebay so I am not sure what their policy/rules are.
(looks like you can, but will receive a defect mark-too many of which effects your standing)

So far the buyer is only guilty of being a jerk. There is no way to say for sure what he would or wouldn't have done. That is not to say the OP couldn't feel strange vibes from the deal and be concerned.
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Yes. I bought (buy it now) a fleece jacket. Turned out the drop-shipping seller could not supply from her usual source (despite "8 available") so she "cancelled." It was the third time this had happened to me in a month (three different ePrey sellers). eBay even made it impossible to give feedback (much like the rule here - no performance by the seller - no feedback allowed. Very wrong.). Screw that. The law says I get the item the seller sold or I can buy it elsewhere and sue for any difference in cost. In the end, I got what I bought. I was tired of being a victim. How about a new rule? Do what you agreed to do.
 
I agree. I even sympathize with the OP. However, since it was an auction without reservation, the item was already sold. Then the sales contract was repudiated. That's my beef with ePrey, noted above. They let sellers back out on done deals.
 
I know it's irritating. I've had it done to me. They do allow it though and if you have a high value item and you dont trust the buyer you may as well use the ability to withdraw.
As a buyer you can choose not to use ebay.
 
First off, let me reiterate that I agree that the buyer freaked out. Repeatedly.
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I wouldn't sell to somebody that had a bad reputation. Why risk it.
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I think the OP said the buyers eBay feedback was fine/good. He just thought that it was fishy that the buyer, who knows knives, bid higher than retail on a knife that could be had for retail. Based on negative info found here and there, he canceled the buyers winning bid and refunded him.

Now, I have sold a bunch of stuff on eBay. Like I already said, the biggest risk is when a low feedback buyer bids (or "buys") an item and then does not pay. It ties your item up for about 4 days. But then you relist it. Done. Problem over. It never shipped. The only legit danger from flaky buyers/low feedback buyers (and you can check their feedback for this stuff) is claiming they did not get the item or it was not as described or whatever, either through eBay or PayPal.

The unfair part of cancelling the winning bid, and going with the runner up, is the winning bidder is involved in driving the price up to where it ended up. The runner up may never have gotten that high had they not been caught up in a bidding war (and yeah, that's their fault.) I was bidding on something once, and the bid got pretty high, and then the seller changed something in the listing. So I canceled my bids prior to the end, within the allowed time period. In the end the item sold well below where it was at when I was bidding, since the other buyer was bidding against me and no one else. In the end that hurt the seller (hey, don't change your listing) and helped the buyer.

Anyway.
 
Surely finding negative information about somebody is enough to decide they have a bad reputation.
Ebay isn't perfect, i can't think of a system that is. If you dont like it dont use it.
Increase your chances of things going your way by not having a trail of negative history
 
I can completely understand a seller seeing red flags and after researching a buyer and finding the numerous issues already out there ... refusing to deal with any individual.

Just look at the recent runs of scammers threads here on the forums and how much some of these people steal ... and all the not only loss of money but time stress effort and time the people scammed have to go through to get ot try to get some resolution.

I think if you aren't diligent and check into buyers or sellers if you see red flags ... then you are taking risks that you could have avoided.

And I can't say what my action would have been inthe OPs situation ... but I can say I have no issue with the OP putting this information out here so we all can know the best we can about any problem buyers or sellers ...

and the continued actions of Josh seem to show the OP made a wish choice and I for one would never consider doing business with anyone acting as Josh has ... reguardless of how many stood up for him or what his feedback was ... don't need the headaches when there are good sensible friendly folks around to deal with.
 
JJ_Colt45 said:
I can completely understand a seller seeing red flags and after researching a buyer and finding the numerous issues already out there ... refusing to deal with any individual.

Just look at the recent runs of scammers threads here on the forums and how much some of these people steal ... and all the not only loss of money but time stress effort and time the people scammed have to go through to get ot try to get some resolution.

I think if you aren't diligent and check into buyers or sellers if you see red flags ... then you are taking risks that you could have avoided.

And I can't say what my action would have been inthe OPs situation ... but I can say I have no issue with the OP putting this information out here so we all can know the best we can about any problem buyers or sellers ...

and the continued actions of Josh seem to show the OP made a wish choice and I for one would never consider doing business with anyone acting as Josh has ... reguardless of how many stood up for him or what his feedback was ... don't need the headaches when there are good sensible friendly folks around to deal with.
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This is all true, however the seller did opt to provoke Josh on EBay, and then post it all here, like he was trying to vindicate his actions.
 
fkctrjt121 said:
Surely finding negative information about somebody is enough to decide they have a bad reputation.
Ebay isn't perfect, i can't think of a system that is. If you dont like it dont use it.
Increase your chances of things going your way by not having a trail of negative history
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As it happens, I have no negative in over 1000 eBay transactions over years. Thzt doesn't make me perfect. It only makes be someone who performs his side of a sales contract.

I don't ask for perfection by ePrey or any seller - just look at the disingenuous descriptions. I accept the lies, distortions and WAG descriptions. It's the wild west. Buyer beware.

I will, from now on, require performance of the contract by the sellers. In the end, from now on, this is what is going to happen: perform or expect me to "cover" at your expense, as the UCC provdes in all fifty states. If you don't like the law, don't sell. No one is forcing any seller to promise to deliver the sold goods, much less sell items they don't really have to sell. Don't sell if you don't want to perform.

And I do not understand the apologists for Josh/PVK. That he reportedly acts properly for some does not excuse acting otherwise for others. After all, Charlie Manson didn't murder me or mine - So he's great guy? :rolleyes:
 
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I'm not sure I would say the OP provoked Josh at all ... in fact from what I've read (and I realise we may not have every email or exchange) but I would say it was Josh that provoked threatened and esculated the issue ... instead of being a man accepting he didn't get what he wanted ... we all go through it it's part of life and no need to take it were he did especially if he is so important he should shrug it off in the millions and millions of dollars of business he does each year.

And the OP being a member here and a part of the community ... think most of us appreciate information about possible problems in dealing with buyers or sellers and sharing that with us ... lets us do our homework and make our choices having the information.

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This is all true, however the seller did opt to provoke Josh on EBay, and then post it all here, like he was trying to vindicate his actions.
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JJ_Colt45 said:
I'm not sure I would say the OP provoked Josh at all ... in fact from what I've read (and I realise we may not have every email or exchange) but I would say it was Josh that provoked threatened and esculated the issue ... instead of being a man accepting he didn't get what he wanted ... we all go through it it's part of life and no need to take it were he did especially if he is so important he should shrug it off in the millions and millions of dollars of business he does each year.

And the OP being a member here and a part of the community ... think most of us appreciate information about possible problems in dealing with buyers or sellers and sharing that with us ... lets us do our homework and make our choices having the information.
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It’s all relevant and interesting, both sides of the controversy. I do like the process here on bladeforums.
Although, after many years and many businesses, it still escapes me why some people have so much trouble handling, and keeping their business private, and easy to settle. They seem to lean towards making a public scandal.
I guess that it’s all good, otherwise we wouldn’t have such interesting topics to discuss here on bladeforums.
 
I think OP had every right to sell to who they wanted to. However I also think that some sort of feedback should be available to the burned buyer. Let potential customers read what transpired from both sides, and make their purchasing decisions based on it.
 
From what I know, Josh has never stolen someone's money or knife... if someone has an actual example of theft - please let me know. The main issues he has had was taking money for an order and then delays when it was not in stock & he doesn't always have the best people skills/communication. I am not defending Josh's customer skills. BUT, that really has nothing to do with this EBAY transaction.
OP ran the auction and Josh was the high bidder. Josh had excellent FB on ebay. The OP refused to honor his auction based on his "radar" and refused to sell to Josh. The OP changing the terms of the auction to allow himself to now vet the winner.
So essentially the OP goes back on his word. Josh gets upset - which most people would . Josh isn't most people so the larger drama starts. OP then brings the drama from Ebay to here.
This all goes back on the OP. Had he just simply honored his auction - this whole situation would never have existed.
But, some people like drama - sounds to me like the OP and Josh may have some things in common.
 
I think as you most business should be and is done in private ... but it is a very nice feature that as a community of knife enthusiasts if someone has bad experiences they can be open about it and that has saved many others from getting involved in bad deals.

Again just read the recent BAD posts in GB&U ... even as the threads were being posted in some members happened across them just as they were about to pull the trigger on a deal with the individual that had scammed numerous people ... thus the members sharing their experiences saved more damage.

Just as the GOOD posts can help other members in making good choices on who to deal with and have faith in.

That's kind of the whole point of this subforum.
 
What I have learned here: Brandoak is a good guy who was probably in the wrong, and Josh Burbank is a loon.
 
We have laws that cover sales so there can be what the lawmakers in every state see as fair AND so there is a measure of predictability. I buy something, I can usually plan on getting it because there are negative consequences for sellers who repudiate contracts. Otherwise, buying something is just a hope.

Oh, we could, as in the forum rules, let anyone backout at any time. That produces chaos.

Buy five because the first three might not be the "best price." Pay the first that delivers and cancel the other four."
Too bad; so sad."

Sell to five because some might not pay. Send to the first that pays, and for the rest, "Too bad; so sad."

After hundreds of years of consideration, the law says (by and large): "Do what you promise or bear the consequences that put the other guy in as good a position as if you kept your word." Buyer's pay. Sellers deliver. Efforts to "improve" on that fail, and ought to fail.
 
I'll take you word for it. The first two posts are not there for me to see.

It's called "anticipatory repudiation." If you repudiate without giving the buyer a reasonable time to pay, you are in breach of contract. "Reasonable" is determined by the terms of the contract or, absent that, by custom in the marketplace.

Sounded to me, IIRC, that the repudiation came pretty fast.
 
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