Just finished a spine whack test on my Buck Select.

stabman said:
I live a block from the Detroit River.
You can throw it in the trash anywhere in the country...why not take advantage of the local features? :)

Besides, chucking it away is more satisfying. :thumbup:
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And your just cutting out the middle man. ;).
 
marcinek said:
... I am going to continue to share my feeling on the subject....I saw your tactical spine whack theory here...in this post of yours...
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It's a matter of choice I guess, you can share whatever you want, with whoever you want.
No this is not my theory, surprisingly, you got it wrong. The only thing that should interest you is the probability of this to happen:
...therefore if the lock failed this test it MAY as well leave you with no weapon in your hand.
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It was very simple to understand. There was no need of bringing up "nonsense" and so on, this happens, as well as hitting your blade in any other object when working with it.
Failing lock is a failing lock. There is nothing as my "tactical spine whack theory" simply because I'm not the one that came up with such test nor the one that started this thread. I only happened to agree with it.
I would say: stating that because it has small chance to happen, such "test" is nonsense, is nonsense for itself, that's why I suggested not to elaborate on stuff that can go in thousand different ways, but you saw it differently...
Here are more smart ideas... :D
...Why would the spine be pointed towards the bad guy? ...You "hurt" with the pointy or sharp part...not the spine....Its an irrelevant test.
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A laughable statement but, hey... whatever you say Probability Zero... :D
Well, I'm not in a business of pleasing determine to argue about stuff they don't understand people... ( I bet you like this ?) OP asked for opinion and I gave mine, you find it nonsense, well... I can live with it...
It is enough for me to see that I'm not the only one that believe the test shows how well made is your liner lock, the rest was entertainment but now is becoming waste of time...
 
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meh their 119s snap like a twig, that's why i choose other manufacturers, wouldnt try a folder, that and the response from buck i got back dealing with it. not because in some real world situation a buck might break on me but because a "better" knife would not, comparatively speaking.
 
I think something very important was demonstrated in this test. I don't think anything was learned because I think we already know but don't want to admit. The liner lock is a poor design for any folder intended for heavy duty use. I've seen example after example of very high quality folders such at the ZT200 fail with a simple light tap to the spine of the blade. The lock design seems to be flawed as it relies on perfect orientation of the lock and the blade which I don't think can be achieved with any sort of consistency. This is why you see some liners hold well but many of the exact same model will fold with a simple light tap on the spine. I'm really hoping high end knife designers finally realize this and get away from making fantastic quality knives with a flawed locking system.
 
Im left with a sense of awe for our forefathers.
Amazing, that they managed to survive at all - let alone build anything considering, that they were completely unaware, that at least one of their tools were totally substandard and lacking in safety.
 
precisionshootist said:
I think something very important was demonstrated in this test. I don't think anything was learned because I think we already know but don't want to admit. The liner lock is a poor design for any folder intended for heavy duty use. I've seen example after example of very high quality folders such at the ZT200 fail with a simple light tap to the spine of the blade. The lock design seems to be flawed as it relies on perfect orientation of the lock and the blade which I don't think can be achieved with any sort of consistency. This is why you see some liners hold well but many of the exact same model will fold with a simple light tap on the spine. I'm really hoping high end knife designers finally realize this and get away from making fantastic quality knives with a flawed locking system.
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I absolutely agree... And again, just to mention it: as much as some look at CRKT with some disregard, LAWKS works just fine in Hissatsu for what the knife is intended to be...It fixes such problem easily.
 
Grandpa's knife didn't have any lock at all. He died with all his fingers.
 
precisionshootist said:
I'm really hoping high end knife designers finally realize this and get away from making fantastic quality knives with a flawed locking system.
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Perhaps YOU can come up with the perfect lock design.

Get your name right up there with Michael Walker. Or maybe even compete with the Reeve's Integral Lock.:rolleyes:
 
I just whacked my spine last weekend putting up Christmas lights. It failed miserably. Maybe I should through myself in the river and let my wife get a replacement? She could get one of the newer models with the stronger spine :D
 
I have to say, I have many knives that will withstand tons of spine wacks.

I have a habit, when using a locking knife, of checking whether the locking mechanism will support any spine pressure. (Usually you can get a feel for this without any "wacking". Just keep your fingers clear, and see if any spine pressure causes failure. I don't over do it, but I do have several knives that will fold like a friction knife with the slightest pressure on the spine. Those knives, I don't use hard.

I had one large "tactical" folder that did fold on me while using it. NO injury, and no negative consequences, but I stopped using the knife, and then lost it. I was trying to pierce some plastic.

I had a specific knife that was terrible. The lock was like a spagetti noodle (Buck Cross lock), it used to fold all the time. I was cut, but never badly. It was worse than my slip joints.

My older brother severed a tendon in his thumb cutting heavy rubber (piercing, and the negative pressure caused the lock to fail).

So it can be an issue.

If you know the lock is not strong, use extra care.
 
precisionshootist said:
The liner lock is a poor design for any folder intended for heavy duty use. I've seen example after example of very high quality folders such at the ZT200 fail with a simple light tap to the spine of the blade.
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In person or on Utube?

Just how many liner locks, ZT or others, have removed digits from your hands?
 
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