Just ordered a Ganzo g710

Insipid Moniker said:
What does that have to do with anything? Have you ever had one tested to check the formulation of the steel used?
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Have you ever had any knife tested? haha come on... from what I've had and used I've easily recognized that the 440C used by Ganzo retains a sharp edge longer than 8/9Cr.. and AUS-8. it performs better than the chinese knives of american companies which use those steels. if you use and compare you'll se by yourself. simple.
 
Larcivs Lepidvs said:
Have you ever had any knife tested? haha come on... from what I've had and used I've easily recognized that the 440C used by Ganzo retains a sharp edge longer than 8/9Cr.. and AUS-8. it performs better than the chinese knives of american companies which use those steels. if you use and compare you'll se by yourself. simple.
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And how does their Axis lock compare against the original design they stole?
 
Planterz said:
That was Inigo (Mandy Patinkin) that said that. But you make a point I was about to make. If the civilian market for autos (and balisongs) was illegal, distributors wouldn't sell them, and manufacturers wouldn't make them because the market wouldn't exist to support it, outside perhaps of military contracts. robgmn, do you seriously think that companies like Benchmade and Microtech, and sellers like 1sks and BladeHQ would operate outside the law? That they have not employed lawyers to make sure that they don't? Contact your lawyer. He'll tell you the same thing that every frigging one of these companies already have been told by theirs.

And your weed analogy is still apples and oranges.
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Really?
I provided you with proof that the US GOVERNMENT went after someone for breaking the law, and you still dispute it?
The guy LOST the freaking case!
My god, man, IT'S ON PUBLIC RECORD!!!!!
I even asked an attorney to verify the current status of the law, and he did so, AND added the info about the case that was won by the Gov't.

Are you pretending to be totally clueless, or are you someone who has gotten access to Planterz' password and are trying to do the same?

I can't believe how many people continue to confuse morality and legality, subjective opinion and fact, selective hypocrisy and "doing what it right", counterfeit, clone, homage, etc., etc.
It's baffling sometimes.
 
Is there a comprehensive list of what things are cool to copy and what isn't? I have asked repeatedly and never received any coherent answer as to why it's ok that so many American companies can make clones of the Kabar 1912, Stockman, Congress, Barlow, lockback, clip point blades, Bowie blades, etc. It's called hypocrisy.
On the topic of Ganzo's steel look at Birdshot IV on YouTube to see the G727 vs the Rat 1 and the Ganzo destroys the Rat. That says to me that their steel is legit, 440c or 9cr it's a decent budget steel. Again, for the 5th time the Axis Lock is just Sam Colt's revolver cylinder lock on a knife from over a century ago. I find it to be every bit a stolen design as any other.
I have also expressed personal experience before in which 8 real Spyderco moves will be purchased based on handling a single knockoff. It gave exposure to a design that I had to handle to appreciate because I used to think they looked stupid. It seems to me that the clone marked with their own actual name is a decent tool to try new things without a huge up front cost. If you like the clone then you know the real thing will be magnitudes better and give more incentive to save up. We don't all have the kind of fun money to buy new Benchmade every time a new one comes out.
 
JupiterPaladin said:
Is there a comprehensive list of what things are cool to copy and what isn't? I have asked repeatedly and never received any coherent answer as to why it's ok that so many American companies can make clones of the Kabar 1912, Stockman, Congress, Barlow, lockback, clip point blades, Bowie blades, etc. It's called hypocrisy.
On the topic of Ganzo's steel look at Birdshot IV on YouTube to see the G727 vs the Rat 1 and the Ganzo destroys the Rat. That says to me that their steel is legit, 440c or 9cr it's a decent budget steel. Again, for the 5th time the Axis Lock is just Sam Colt's revolver cylinder lock on a knife from over a century ago. I find it to be every bit a stolen design as any other.
I have also expressed personal experience before in which 8 real Spyderco moves will be purchased based on handling a single knockoff. It gave exposure to a design that I had to handle to appreciate because I used to think they looked stupid. It seems to me that the clone marked with their own actual name is a decent tool to try new things without a huge up front cost. If you like the clone then you know the real thing will be magnitudes better and give more incentive to save up. We don't all have the kind of fun money to buy new Benchmade every time a new one comes out.
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You're confusing knife "features" with patented/licensed components. The analogy for Sam Colt holds no water as he never demonstrated it's use in a knife, and if he did, any patent or license would be long since expired. Taking a non-protected element of a device and using it in a new and different device is called innovation.

Your argument about "classic" knife styles is interesting, but only for a moment. The difference between a copied Griptilian and a copied Stockman is wide and real. The Griptilian is currently still produced by the original designing company and is traceable to a distinct designer. The same can not be said for classic styles of slip joints or fixed blades. Jim Bowie has never gotten a cut of all Bowie knife sales...(perhaps sadly so, but still a reality).

Your comment about clones leading to the purchase of the real thing holds no water either. With the exception of a rare enthusiast, your average knife user will buy their Gonzo from Riverworld and never think twice. When said Gonzo breaks, they buy another one. I've handled a copy and the genuine article of many knives. The copies are not a valid tool to evaluate the real thing. Never.

You've been answered. Was there anything else you needed addressed along these lines?
 
robgmn said:
Really?
I provided you with proof that the US GOVERNMENT went after someone for breaking the law, and you still dispute it?
The guy LOST the freaking case!
My god, man, IT'S ON PUBLIC RECORD!!!!!

Are you pretending to be totally clueless, or are you someone who has gotten access to Planterz' password and are trying to do the same?
It's baffling sometimes.
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Attacking me, and not the argument. Watch yourself, pal, you might earn a chicklet.

In the case in question, the guy imported switchblades. That is illegal. You found some random case about switchblades and the guy was found guilty, so you assume switchblades are illegal. Get your facts straight.
 
robgmn said:
Really?
I provided you with proof that the US GOVERNMENT went after someone for breaking the law, and you still dispute it?
The guy LOST the freaking case!
My god, man, IT'S ON PUBLIC RECORD!!!!!
I even asked an attorney to verify the current status of the law, and he did so, AND added the info about the case that was won by the Gov't.

Are you pretending to be totally clueless, or are you someone who has gotten access to Planterz' password and are trying to do the same?

I can't believe how many people continue to confuse morality and legality, subjective opinion and fact, selective hypocrisy and "doing what it right", counterfeit, clone, homage, etc., etc.
It's baffling sometimes.
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The attorney confirmed Planterz statement, not yours. You helpfully posted it and it contained almost the exact wording he used.
 
Larcivs Lepidvs said:
Have you ever had any knife tested? haha come on... from what I've had and used I've easily recognized that the 440C used by Ganzo retains a sharp edge longer than 8/9Cr.. and AUS-8. it performs better than the chinese knives of american companies which use those steels. if you use and compare you'll se by yourself. simple.
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Really? What testing media did you use? What was your control protocol? I assume the edge angle and thickness behind the edge was identical on all knives tested, right?
 
My boss has a Makora II that he bought at Ace Hardware in town.

ACE HARDWARE.

If this were illegal, would ACE FRIGGING HARDWARE be selling them?
 
While we on the topic, as long as autos are not brought over state lines the federal statute has no bearing I believe? But the grey area is the dealers who sell them, shipping them across state lines.. correct?
 
The above questions are assuming autos are not illegal in the state they are circulating in, if illegal at state level, obviously then they are illegal to own as well.
 
HS - Ok so stealing a design to use on a different thing is called innovation. So you are saying that it's ok? It seems many argue that stealing a design or even being heavily influenced is legal in other countries but immoral to support. Using the designs and elements I mentioned is legal but should also be looked at the same way. New companies producing designs they did not invent. In 30 years, will every knife company have free range to copy Benchmade and Spydercos and be in the legal and moral right? And my real experience in handling knockoffs is not subject to opinion. It is what it is. The people who keep buying $20 knives are not the ones who would drop $100+ anyway. People I have met that say they collect knives are either high end collectors or they just have a bucket of flea market knives. I don't see anything in between.
 
marcinek said:
Yeah....we should have a discussion about that topic. Why haven't we had one yet?!? :rolleyes:

Dude.
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sorry i missed it. it was kinda silly cut and paraphrase that outside of the way it was asked. so be it. you are a professional pot stirrer.:) well done.
 
marcinek said:
And how does their Axis lock compare against the original design they stole?
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Honestly I've never owned nor used a Benchmade, and I'm not a fan of the axis lock in general. the Ganzo axis lock is reliable, but obviously will fail at batoning just like any liner and frame lock. from what most people say, Ganzo axis locks are more stiff than Benchmades.
 
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