Just ordered a Ganzo g710

For a couple bucks more you get customer support & the materials you were expecting to get.
 
Ganzo company provides a one-year guarantee for the entire list of its products from the date of its purchase. Ganzo ensures completely those guarantees that are provided for knives, sharpeners and multi-tools.

http://ganzoknife.com/warranty/

Dunno if they use fake materials, dunno if their customer service is any good..

on the Ganzo I have, which yes is a Barrage clone it is G-10 and the blade steel is definitely of some quality.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
For reference I just did a quick search and found a Byrd Cara Cara 2 for $20.97 with free shipping. The Ganzos I found with a similar search ranged from about $15-21, so I'd say a few bucks more is an appropriate descriptor.
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Gotcha. I was not thinking the Byrd line of knives but Spyderco branded knives only.
 
klute said:
Ganzo company provides a one-year guarantee for the entire list of its products from the date of its purchase. Ganzo ensures completely those guarantees that are provided for knives, sharpeners and multi-tools.

http://ganzoknife.com/warranty/

Dunno if they use fake materials, dunno if their customer service is any good..

on the Ganzo I have, which yes is a Barrage clone it is G-10 and the blade steel is definitely of some quality.
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A 1 year warranty is far behind any other legitimate manufacturer. Not something to be proud of.
 
Planterz said:
No, it is not. There is no such law, so there is no law to be active. The Federal Switchblade Act prohibits interstate commerce, with exceptions (military, LE, others). You are wrong and it saddens me that you are unwilling to consider this possibility. 1SKS is neither in the moral or legal wrong.

Apples and oranges. See above.

See above.
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Au contraire mon frère: An Act of Congress is a statute enacted by the United States Congress. It can either be a Public Law, relating to the general public, or a Private Law, relating to specific institutions or individuals.
Statutes, also known as acts, are laws passed by a legislature. Federal statutes are laws enacted by Congress with (and in some circumstances without) the approval of the President. Federal statutes are published in three formats: (1) initially as individual slip laws, (2) in compilations of slip laws known as session laws, and (3) as codified law incorporated into a code.

Act=statute. Statute=law. Therefore, ACT=LAW.
Here's the CURRENT Act (you may also call it a LAW, since it IS a LAW) in it's entiretly: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title15/html/USCODE-2011-title15-chap29.htm

It's OK if you think it's not real. You have the right to your subjective opinion.
Unfortunately, in this world opinion does not mean fact or proof.

Here's the primary Act some subdivisions referenced as part of this discussion:

15 U.S.C.
United States Code, 2011 Edition
Title 15 - COMMERCE AND TRADE
CHAPTER 29 - MANUFACTURE, TRANSPORTATION, OR DISTRIBUTION OF SWITCHBLADE KNIVES
From the U.S. Government Printing Office, www.gpo.gov

§1241. Definitions
As used in this chapter—
(a) The term “interstate commerce” means commerce between any State, Territory, possession of the United States, or the District of Columbia, and any place outside thereof.
(b) The term “switchblade knife” means any knife having a blade which opens automatically—
(1) by hand pressure applied to a button or other device in the handle of the knife, or
(2) by operation of inertia, gravity, or both.
(Pub. L. 85–623, §1, Aug. 12, 1958, 72 Stat. 562.)

§1242. Introduction, manufacture for introduction, transportation or distribution in interstate commerce; penalty
Whoever knowingly introduces, or manufactures for introduction, into interstate commerce, or transports or distributes in interstate commerce, any switchblade knife, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(Pub. L. 85–623, §2, Aug. 12, 1958, 72 Stat. 562.)
§1243. Manufacture, sale, or possession within specific jurisdictions; penalty
Whoever, within any Territory or possession of the United States, within Indian country (as defined in section 1151 of title 18), or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States (as defined in section 7 of title 18), manufactures, sells, or possesses any switchblade knife, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(Pub. L. 85–623, §3, Aug. 12, 1958, 72 Stat. 562.)

§1244. Exceptions
Sections 1242 and 1243 of this title shall not apply to—
(1) any common carrier or contract carrier, with respect to any switchblade knife shipped, transported, or delivered for shipment in interstate commerce in the ordinary course of business;
(2) the manufacture, sale, transportation, distribution, possession, or introduction into interstate commerce, of switchblade knives pursuant to contract with the Armed Forces;
(3) the Armed Forces or any member or employee thereof acting in the performance of his duty;
(4) the possession, and transportation upon his person, of any switchblade knife with a blade three inches or less in length by any individual who has only one arm; or
(5) a knife that contains a spring, detent, or other mechanism designed to create a bias toward closure of the blade and that requires exertion applied to the blade by hand, wrist, or arm to overcome the bias toward closure to assist in opening the knife.
(Pub. L. 85–623, §4, Aug. 12, 1958, 72 Stat. 562; Pub. L. 111–83, title V, §562, Oct. 28, 2009, 123 Stat. 2183.)


And my analogy is 100% valid. Two very different things that have some very similar circumstances, especially with respect to this subtopic of the original discussion.
You could substitute ANY two dissimilar items that fall under the same legal boundaries and the analogy would be valid. It's really NOT that difficult.
 
robgmn said:
Au contraire mon frère: An Act of Congress is a statute enacted by the United States Congress. It can either be a Public Law, relating to the general public, or a Private Law, relating to specific institutions or individuals.
Statutes, also known as acts, are laws passed by a legislature. Federal statutes are laws enacted by Congress with (and in some circumstances without) the approval of the President. Federal statutes are published in three formats: (1) initially as individual slip laws, (2) in compilations of slip laws known as session laws, and (3) as codified law incorporated into a code.

Act=statute. Statute=law. Therefore, ACT=LAW.
Here's the CURRENT Act (you may also call it a LAW, since it IS a LAW) in it's entiretly: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title15/html/USCODE-2011-title15-chap29.htm

It's OK if you think it's not real. You have the right to your subjective opinion.
Unfortunately, in this world opinion does not mean fact or proof.

Here's the primary Act some subdivisions referenced as part of this discussion:

15 U.S.C.
United States Code, 2011 Edition
Title 15 - COMMERCE AND TRADE
CHAPTER 29 - MANUFACTURE, TRANSPORTATION, OR DISTRIBUTION OF SWITCHBLADE KNIVES
From the U.S. Government Printing Office, www.gpo.gov

§1241. Definitions
As used in this chapter—
(a) The term “interstate commerce” means commerce between any State, Territory, possession of the United States, or the District of Columbia, and any place outside thereof.
(b) The term “switchblade knife” means any knife having a blade which opens automatically—
(1) by hand pressure applied to a button or other device in the handle of the knife, or
(2) by operation of inertia, gravity, or both.
(Pub. L. 85–623, §1, Aug. 12, 1958, 72 Stat. 562.)

§1242. Introduction, manufacture for introduction, transportation or distribution in interstate commerce; penalty
Whoever knowingly introduces, or manufactures for introduction, into interstate commerce, or transports or distributes in interstate commerce, any switchblade knife, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(Pub. L. 85–623, §2, Aug. 12, 1958, 72 Stat. 562.)
§1243. Manufacture, sale, or possession within specific jurisdictions; penalty
Whoever, within any Territory or possession of the United States, within Indian country (as defined in section 1151 of title 18), or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States (as defined in section 7 of title 18), manufactures, sells, or possesses any switchblade knife, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(Pub. L. 85–623, §3, Aug. 12, 1958, 72 Stat. 562.)

§1244. Exceptions
Sections 1242 and 1243 of this title shall not apply to—
(1) any common carrier or contract carrier, with respect to any switchblade knife shipped, transported, or delivered for shipment in interstate commerce in the ordinary course of business;
(2) the manufacture, sale, transportation, distribution, possession, or introduction into interstate commerce, of switchblade knives pursuant to contract with the Armed Forces;
(3) the Armed Forces or any member or employee thereof acting in the performance of his duty;
(4) the possession, and transportation upon his person, of any switchblade knife with a blade three inches or less in length by any individual who has only one arm; or
(5) a knife that contains a spring, detent, or other mechanism designed to create a bias toward closure of the blade and that requires exertion applied to the blade by hand, wrist, or arm to overcome the bias toward closure to assist in opening the knife.
(Pub. L. 85–623, §4, Aug. 12, 1958, 72 Stat. 562; Pub. L. 111–83, title V, §562, Oct. 28, 2009, 123 Stat. 2183.)


And my analogy is 100% valid. Two very different things that have some very similar circumstances, especially with respect to this subtopic of the original discussion.
You could substitute ANY two dissimilar items that fall under the same legal boundaries and the analogy would be valid. It's really NOT that difficult.
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The AKTI disagrees with you.

http://www.akti.org/federal-switchblade-act/
 
Insipid Moniker said:
The AKTI disagrees with you.

http://www.akti.org/federal-switchblade-act/
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Here's what AKTI has to say: "There is no Federal restriction on the sale of auto-open knives within the 50 states."
They seem to miss an important word in subd. §1243. Manufacture, sale, or possession within specific jurisdictions; penalty (I'll make it bold for you):
Whoever, within any Territory or possession of the United States, within Indian country (as defined in section 1151 of title 18), or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States (as defined in section 7 of title 18), manufactures, sells, or possesses any switchblade knife, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

"Sell" and "sale" are not mutually exclusive terms, by any stretch of the imagination.

You see, the AKTI doesn't get to make or change a Federal Act or any statute. "The American Knife & Tool Institute (AKTI) is a non-profit organization (501(c)6) representing all segments of the knife industry and all knife users. Formed in true grassroots fashion by concerned industry leaders after considerable discussion with individual knifemakers, knife magazine publishers, and a broad section of the knife community, AKTI has been the reasonable and responsible voice of the knife community since 1998."

They can disagree all they want, they can even hire a lobbyist and have people sign petitions pushing for a change, but the law is indeed VERY real.
You can check with a lawyer if you'd like.
In fact, I'd highly recommend it.
 
robgmn said:
Here's what AKTI has to say: "There is no Federal restriction on the sale of auto-open knives within the 50 states."
They seem to miss an important word in subd. §1243. Manufacture, sale, or possession within specific jurisdictions; penalty (I'll make it bold for you):
Whoever, within any Territory or possession of the United States, within Indian country (as defined in section 1151 of title 18), or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States (as defined in section 7 of title 18), manufactures, sells, or possesses any switchblade knife, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

"Sell" and "sale" are not mutually exclusive terms, by any stretch of the imagination.

You see, the AKTI doesn't get to make or change a Federal Act or any statute. "The American Knife & Tool Institute (AKTI) is a non-profit organization (501(c)6) representing all segments of the knife industry and all knife users. Formed in true grassroots fashion by concerned industry leaders after considerable discussion with individual knifemakers, knife magazine publishers, and a broad section of the knife community, AKTI has been the reasonable and responsible voice of the knife community since 1998."

They can disagree all they want, they can even hire a lobbyist and have people sign petitions pushing for a change, but the law is indeed VERY real.
You can check with a lawyer if you'd like.
In fact, I'd highly recommend it.
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I was actually going to recommend the same to you. You can be quite sure the AKTI has.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I was actually going to recommend the same to you. You can be quite sure the AKTI has.
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I'm sure you're right.
They wrote it on the interwebs, so it must be fact.

But, just in case, I have asked for advice from an attorney who works in the OIG in my state.
I'll share his response when I hear back from him.
 
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robgmn said:
I'm sure you're right.
They wrote it on the interwebs, so it must be fact.
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He said, writing on the internet. Now who to believe, a trusted, established lobbying group, or internet rando with no legal credentials? Decisions, decisions.
 
The legality of possession of a switchblade is a function of state law. Introducing a switchblade into interstate commerce is a function of federal law, and can only be done in very limited circumstances.

(The number of dealers who disregard this law, with no apparent ramifications, suggests that the Feds have no interest in enforcing it. The fact that Benchmade won't return an auto sent for repair is understandable but aggravating).
 
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HappyDaddy said:
The legality of possession of a switchblade is a function of state law. Introducing a switchblade into interstate commerce is a function of federal law, and can only be done in very limited circumstances.

(Given the number of dealers who disregard this law, with no apparent ramifications, suggests that the Feds have no interest in enforcing it. The fact that Benchmade won't return an auto sent for repair is understandable but aggravating).
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I'm not so sure the feds aren't interested in enforcing it. It wasn't that long ago that Spyderco got nailed hard for a violation. Not 100% sure it was the Switchblade Act, but I remember they had to pay some serious fees.
 
A response from an attorney in the OIG in my state:

You’re right. 15 U.S.C. § 1542 makes it a crime to:
• make,
• sell, or
• transport,
a switchblade knife in interstate commerce. And the statute is still good law. It hasn’t been repealed or overturned by a court. Indeed, in 1988, a Minnesotan—Douglas John Nelsen—was convicted of violating the Act. See U.S. v. Nelsen, 859 N.W.2d 1381 (8th Cir. 1988).

Importantly, it’s not illegal to possess a switch blade, it’s just illegal to sell one in interstate commerce. Courts have interpreted interstate commerce so broadly, that almost every sale—including sales between a buyer and seller of the same state—will involve interstate commerce.


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If you Google the case, you can read the brief and the decision.
I have a pdf I can email if you'd prefer not to do the Googlefu.


Excerpt:
Nelsen became interested in switchblade knives at an early age. In 1983 he became convinced that the law prohibiting
such knives was unconstitutional, and he began importing them from foreign countries for distribution through his
mail order business, the Crowley Cutlery Company. The Customs Service was able to document numerous knife
shipments to both Nelsen's home and his post office box. Nelsen was indicted, and raised his constitutional
challenges to the Act during pretrial motions before the magistrate. 1 The magistrate recommended rejection of
the challenges which the district court 2 adopted. Trial was held, and the jury returned a verdict of guilty on the
charges now at issue.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I'm not so sure the feds aren't interested in enforcing it. It wasn't that long ago that Spyderco got nailed hard for a violation. Not 100% sure it was the Switchblade Act, but I remember they had to pay some serious fees.
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Hey IM......I'm pretty sure that was over Balisongs brother. Cost them a pretty penny!
Joe
 
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