just picked up a buck vantage paperstone- very disappointed

I'm pretty sure the OP got a lemon. Happens to every manufacturer, even the more expensive ones. No one's quality control is perfect, and everyone is liable to make mistakes.

Just send it in.
 
arjung said:
I'm pretty sure the OP got a lemon. Happens to every manufacturer, even the more expensive ones. No one's quality control is perfect, and everyone is liable to make mistakes.

Just send it in.
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Or,Since i believe he said he's already posted this in the buck forum and received this best advice,he just likes to stir the pot and gloat over his nice long thread knocking a great American knife company.
 
Seals said:
Or,Since i believe he said he's already posted this in the buck forum and received this best advice,he just likes to stir the pot and gloat over his nice long thread knocking a great American knife company.
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say word yo. thats all it was.
 
Flatlander1963 said:
Oh I see now your agenda is to save the remaining American knifemaker's by gleefully avoiding "sugar coating flaws. If a knife company is doing something wrong, I have no compunction calling it out." Please!!!!! You’re just trolling for the fun of it.
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Yes, I'm trolling just because I'm out to hurt your feelings... :rolleyes: That's why you should listen to a voice of reason, like STR. Oh wait...

Sometimes, the emperor has to be called out for his new wardrobe. The bottom line is that you're willing to defend flaws in the product of your pet company. I'm not willing to make that kind of leap.

Flatlander1963 said:
Yes I do like the Vantage. In fact, I like it a lot and I think it compares very well with competitor's knives at similar price points made in any of the knife producing countries save one: China.

It is a plain and simple fact that China produces goods for world consumption and that these goods range from low tech to high tech, but with one common feature...these goods are cheaper than anything anybody else in the world can produce for the same level of quality. And why is that??? How exactly did they do it??? First thing they did was peg their currency to the dollar at an unreasonably low exchange to ensure that at least in the U.S. their goods are always available on the cheap. Now what do they do with all their excess dollars?? And here is were the analogy about lampshades is relevant. There is a cost to this country's buying on the cheap from China, maybe even something hideous as implied by the lampshades analogy. So we buy from China at our peril; but then if you only care for getting your widget at the lowest price, you’ve can make your deal with the devil with a smile.
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It's funny. Folks used to say they wouldn't buy Chinese knives because they were junk. The refrain is changing. Now, you won't buy Chinese because they're making better products!

You seem to attribute this to some economic/political conspiracy. Which also happens to save me money on stuff I want to buy, so I can buy more of the stuff I want to buy. I get more value for my dollar, which helps to keep me in prosperity. To this I say, conspire away!

But really, that's attributing way too much intelligence to the world. I think it more that Chinese manufacturers are simply hungrier than we are. Figuratively and literally. But this doesn't even account for the disparity. Switzerland kicks butt in manufacturing, and they have to deal with often significantly higher operating costs than US based companies. OK, so the Swiss are out to kill our cutlery industry, too. But the truth is, everyone is out to kill our cutlery industry. Given the chance, they'll do it. Even worse, every company in the country is out to take customers away from every other company in the country. Harsh reality. That produces more choices, better knives, at lower costs, for everyone.
 
I just bought a Vantage Select for $20.00 The lady behind the counter dropped it onto the tile floor. I'm picky about my knives, and I couldn't find a single dent or ding. It made a crashing sound, but came out unscathed. It's an incredible knife for the money. Outstanding. The one I bought was born 6/10. $20.00 for a USA made Buck EDC. Incredible.
 
shecky said:
It's funny. Folks used to say they wouldn't buy Chinese knives because they were junk. The refrain is changing. Now, you won't buy Chinese because they're making ?better? products!

You seem to attribute this to some economic/political conspiracy. Which also happens to save me money on stuff I want to buy, so I can buy more of the stuff I want to buy. I get more value for my dollar, which helps to keep me in prosperity. To this I say, conspire away!

But really, that's attributing way too much intelligence to the world. I think it more that Chinese manufacturers are simply hungrier than we are. Figuratively and literally. But this doesn't even account for the disparity. Switzerland kicks butt in manufacturing, and they have to deal with often significantly higher operating costs than US based companies. OK, so the Swiss are out to kill our cutlery industry, too. But the truth is, everyone is out to kill our cutlery industry. Given the chance, they'll do it. Even worse, every company in the country is out to take customers away from every other company in the country. Harsh reality. That produces more choices, better knives, at lower costs, for everyone.
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i dont think that chinese is better. with fact of the vantage, the guy got a lemon..it happens.


as far as the whole economic/political conspiracy. i dont think anyone was trying to say that. the fact is that china has stepped up and is now making QUALITY a little more important in their production.

and look here:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=765446&page=1

this was all about bucks made in china. it turned political <of course> :)
 
shecky said:
Yes, I'm trolling just because I'm out to hurt your feelings... :rolleyes: That's why you should listen to a voice of reason, like STR. Oh wait...

Sometimes, the emperor has to be called out for his new wardrobe. The bottom line is that you're willing to defend flaws in the product of your pet company. I'm not willing to make that kind of leap.



It's funny. Folks used to say they wouldn't buy Chinese knives because they were junk. The refrain is changing. Now, you won't buy Chinese because they're making better products!

You seem to attribute this to some economic/political conspiracy. Which also happens to save me money on stuff I want to buy, so I can buy more of the stuff I want to buy. I get more value for my dollar, which helps to keep me in prosperity. To this I say, conspire away!

But really, that's attributing way too much intelligence to the world. I think it more that Chinese manufacturers are simply hungrier than we are. Figuratively and literally. But this doesn't even account for the disparity. Switzerland kicks butt in manufacturing, and they have to deal with often significantly higher operating costs than US based companies. OK, so the Swiss are out to kill our cutlery industry, too. But the truth is, everyone is out to kill our cutlery industry. Given the chance, they'll do it. Even worse, every company in the country is out to take customers away from every other company in the country. Harsh reality. That produces more choices, better knives, at lower costs, for everyone.
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Shecky you missed the point entirely which isn't surprising since I think the currency/trade issue that has to be part of the debate exceeds your ability to understand. Please, go ahead and buy your inexpensive Chinese knives and crow like a cock standing on top of the manure pile. That keeps it simple and strait forward for you. I think its time to be done with you on this topic.

Btw, on another topic I thought you did a really first class job on taking the top of the 119 guard off. I saw your work over on the Buck forum.
 
I bought one and it is a good knife. Well worth the money. Has a good servicable edge (not perfectly symetrical, but fully useabl), was easy to sharpen, did not chip or bend.

Used it hard for a couple of weeks and then tried the spike wack test, it failed. I learned that just because a knife fails the spike wack, doesn't mean it can't take hard "normal knife" use. I then cleaned off the back of the tang, (I had oiled it recently, even though it didn't need it) and it passed the spine wack.

I am an American, and I buy American products when I have a choice and the price/quality is similar. I will pay a premium for a knife made in this country, because I wish to support my fellow countrymen's employement. This has nothing to do with the other countries, it applies to Italy as well as China.

There is only one country whose products I don't buy because of political reasons that are really personal. My family fought hard for their independence from this country and in the first part of the 20th century, they put a price on my uncle's head...dead or alive. Don't forget, one man's freedom fighter is another's man's terrorist.
 
Seals said:
Or,Since i believe he said he's already posted this in the buck forum and received this best advice,he just likes to stir the pot and gloat over his nice long thread knocking a great American knife company.
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i never posted this in the buck forum. i have no idea what you are talking about
 
brownshoe said:
There is only one country whose products I don't buy because of political reasons that are really personal. My family fought hard for their independence from this country and in the first part of the 20th century, they put a price on my uncle's head...dead or alive. Don't forget, one man's freedom fighter is another's man's terrorist.
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intense...:)
 
If you wanna pick up a "China made "to compare it with I recommend the Kershaw Vapor. An all steel Ken Onion design which is quite nice for the 20 bucks I paid at walmart. Its probably made by the SRM folks.
 
My Buck vantage select is a decent $20 knife. My favorite American made knife is my benchmade griptilian. It cost me $90. Is it better than the vantage select? Yeah. Is it 4.5 times better? No. Value for the money. Buck delivers it consistently.
 
Well, went to Walmart this morning and NO Vantages at all. In fact they've remodeled the store and the counter glass display is gone and replaced by a small clampack area of knives. Pitiful offering.

So, I'll have to order on line it looks like. More shortly.
 
shecky said:
Is it too much to ask that a $20 knife meet the standard of a $20 knife? There are lots of very good knives on the market for less having none of the problems described by a couple of the posters here. Considering how much quality can be had from companies like Sanrenmu, Kershaw, Spyderco, etc for even less money, there is absolutely no reason to expect a $20 knife to come up short these days.
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yup, just ordered a SRM 710 and 962 after reading so much positive and seeing a few images from destruction tests...I love my more expensive knives (read over $100) but I prefer to use something I wont care if i break it or lose it.

That said I have a few bucks from walmart and in fact the 279T I got at walmart in 2005 has barely left my side in those 5 years and love to use my 119 for hunting...like anything in the knife game though each producer of cutlery will make something I do not like.
 
Of course the OP got a lemon but the real question is are there many lemons in a particular production run that make it through QC?

And if there are, will the company make it right?
 
singularity35 said:
Of course the OP got a lemon but the real question is are there many lemons in a particular production run that make it through QC?

And if there are, will the company make it right?
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its a buck, of course they would make it right...jump into the buck section and look at people sending in for a refurb and finding out the lifetime warranty covered it!
 
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