Just saw this.....Bark River is no more?

MyKiLL486 said:
So he admits to using Chinese made steel and how that was wrong but them proceeds to try and sugar coat it by saying that the Chinese steel was comparable. Bro seriously!? Its next to impossible to believe anything this man says and the fact that he wants to act like his son and the employees have no blame Is crazy to me. You can't convince me that the son had no idea or the employees either for that matter. They all participated and no one blew the whistle until the customers had already been deceived. I have no empathy for anyone who would go along with the deception. Just my 2cents. Right, wrong or indifferent.

Also I think its a bit of a window licking action to announce the sons new buisness venture in the same post admitting to the deception of the father's company. Again, the son knew and was complicit. So as far as im concerned, if you spend your money with the son you're not learning anything from this mess. As they say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. They also say, dont punish the son for the actions of the father...but I dont think they spoke of a son complicit in deception along side the father.
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I don’t think he’s trying to sugarcoat or downplay anything - he’s just explaining his reasoning behind deciding to do what he did in the first place. He admitted it was wrong and is taking full responsibility for it. That’s not to downplay or minimize the impacts of what he did on his retailers and customers, and believe me I have no love for the guy at all based on everything I’ve seen and heard about him over the last few years. But I will give him his due for taking all the heat now (too little too late, I know), unlike Guy Seifert who continued to deflect blame as the walls were crumbling around him.

As for announcing his son’s new business, he’s just trying to protect his kid. Right or wrong, I can understand that. Yes, the smart buyer will consider all the information available when deciding whether or not to do business with him. Yes, Jim should have been and probably was aware of the shenanigans that were going on. But until all the facts are out, all we can do is speculate, but leave the torches unlit and the pitchforks in the shed.
 
Boru13 said:
According to his IG page he was the Production and Operations Manager at BR… gonna be hard to convince people that he wasn’t aware of what was taking place in some capacity.
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Either he was oblivious which is a bad look, or he knew full well. My money is he knew. And we know it's been going on for years before this point. He hasn't had a clue the whole time? Ok.
 
Danny Linguini said:
I don’t think he’s trying to sugarcoat or downplay anything - he’s just explaining his reasoning behind deciding to do what he did in the first place. He admitted it was wrong and is taking full responsibility for it. That’s not to downplay or minimize the impacts of what he did on his retailers and customers, and believe me I have no love for the guy at all based on everything I’ve seen and heard about him over the last few years. But I will give him his due for taking all the heat now (too little too late, I know), unlike Guy Seifert who continued to deflect blame as the walls were crumbling around him.

As for announcing his son’s new business, he’s just trying to protect his kid. Right or wrong, I can understand that. Yes, the smart buyer will consider all the information available when deciding whether or not to do business with him. Yes, Jim should have been and probably was aware of the shenanigans that were going on. But until all the facts are out, all we can do is speculate, but leave the torches unlit and the pitchforks in the shed.
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Yeah I completely disagree with both of your assessments but to each their own. I don't own a pitchfork nor will I ever own any knife that has ties to the father or the son. Everyone else can come to their own conclusion. The fact that you don't see it as "sugarcoating" is very funny to me. I believe you're entitled to your opinion as much as I am to mine but I doubt im the first who saw it this way and I definitely won't be the last.
 
His apology is hard to take seriously. Case 1: He's just admitted to making false Made in USA and country or origins claims. Case 2: Misrepresenting steel types. If taken to court, they will be swamped with claims and warranties that they'll never be able to pay back. (Not to mention three pending cases regarding loan defaults.)
For perspective, we could import atomized powder, HIP it in the U.S., and hot roll it to final size—and even then, it still might not qualify as “Made in USA” under a strict interpretation.
And the idea that something is “close enough” to CPM 154 so it can just be labeled that way is laughable.
 
Boru13 said:
According to his IG page he was the Production and Operations Manager at BR… gonna be hard to convince people that he wasn’t aware of what was taking place in some capacity.
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For sure. That's a tough pill to swallow. And I'm sure he'll still have some buyers anyway but can't see the business flourishing or totally recovering from this.

But you know what they say about underestimating the power of certain people in large groups. 😁
 
Danny Linguini said:
I don’t think he’s trying to sugarcoat or downplay anything - he’s just explaining his reasoning behind deciding to do what he did in the first place. He admitted it was wrong and is taking full responsibility for it. That’s not to downplay or minimize the impacts of what he did on his retailers and customers, and believe me I have no love for the guy at all based on everything I’ve seen and heard about him over the last few years. But I will give him his due for taking all the heat now (too little too late, I know), unlike Guy Seifert who continued to deflect blame as the walls were crumbling around him.

As for announcing his son’s new business, he’s just trying to protect his kid. Right or wrong, I can understand that. Yes, the smart buyer will consider all the information available when deciding whether or not to do business with him. Yes, Jim should have been and probably was aware of the shenanigans that were going on. But until all the facts are out, all we can do is speculate, but leave the torches unlit and the pitchforks in the shed.
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From the facts we do know, those coming straight from the man himself, he has done alot of things wrong both by being a scummy person but also by the definition of the law. Anyone defending him in the slightest at this point is pretty scummy too.
 
Danny Linguini said:
I don’t think he’s trying to sugarcoat or downplay anything - he’s just explaining his reasoning behind deciding to do what he did in the first place. He admitted it was wrong and is taking full responsibility for it. That’s not to downplay or minimize the impacts of what he did on his retailers and customers, and believe me I have no love for the guy at all based on everything I’ve seen and heard about him over the last few years. But I will give him his due for taking all the heat now (too little too late, I know), unlike Guy Seifert who continued to deflect blame as the walls were crumbling around him.

As for announcing his son’s new business, he’s just trying to protect his kid. Right or wrong, I can understand that. Yes, the smart buyer will consider all the information available when deciding whether or not to do business with him. Yes, Jim should have been and probably was aware of the shenanigans that were going on. But until all the facts are out, all we can do is speculate, but leave the torches unlit and the pitchforks in the shed.
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The facts are out dude. Mike admitted to outright fraud in his statement and tried to sugarcoat it by justifying they were still ‘Made in America.’ He tried to make excuses and he clearly downplayed his actions by his justification. I’m not sure how anyone could come to any other conclusion.
 
So Mike is flat broke, thought by taking all the blame (which he should) would make us feel for the guy and not be as mad, and now plans to evaporate into the world--- nope, the sheer level of con,lies,fraud,thievery should in my opinion earn him a jail sentence.
Just because you are broke and cant pay even if youre sued into non-existence shouldn't excuse you from the consequences
 
I understand we're all human, and everyone makes mistakes. And many of us even intentionally do dumb stuff under duress with seemingly good intentions. And a guy can own it afterwards and apologize and be square with the world.

But this didn't seem like that. Given the history and the content of the statement along with "owning the blame", this seemed like more of an attempt to shift potential legal and/or financial burden off his kin and onto himself instead of an honest admission of guilt.
 
shinyedges said:
His apology is a window into how he thinks, question every knife. If he thinks something is close enough and no one can tell the difference he's done it many times over.
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Yeah im with you. They say the eyes are the window to the soul but I believe the words and actions of said person are a better window 😆 or possibly a bigger screen door. The track record alone makes me wonder why anyone would give him the benefit of the doubt. That goes for employees and dealers.
 
Danny Linguini said:
I don’t think he’s trying to sugarcoat or downplay anything - he’s just explaining his reasoning behind deciding to do what he did in the first place. He admitted it was wrong and is taking full responsibility for it. That’s not to downplay or minimize the impacts of what he did on his retailers and customers, and believe me I have no love for the guy at all based on everything I’ve seen and heard about him over the last few years. But I will give him his due for taking all the heat now (too little too late, I know), unlike Guy Seifert who continued to deflect blame as the walls were crumbling around him.

As for announcing his son’s new business, he’s just trying to protect his kid. Right or wrong, I can understand that. Yes, the smart buyer will consider all the information available when deciding whether or not to do business with him. Yes, Jim should have been and probably was aware of the shenanigans that were going on. But until all the facts are out, all we can do is speculate, but leave the torches unlit and the pitchforks in the shed.
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I don't think we read the same statement, because all I saw was someone trying to minimize his lies. He doesn't deserve any credit, because he's only coming out about things because he got caught.

And if he truly wanted to protect his son, he would have run an honest business. I think it's foolish to think he wont be involved in his son's business in some way if it ever comes to fruition.
 
acavallaris said:
The facts are out dude. Mike admitted to outright fraud in his statement and tried to sugarcoat it by justifying they were still ‘Made in America.’ He tried to make excuses and he clearly downplayed his actions by his justification. I’m not sure how anyone could come to any other conclusion.
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Exactly!!!!
 
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