Just saw this.....Bark River is no more?

[Glen Juntunen]

Buying sheets of European steel to make a knife blade doesn't change the country of origin.

If the steel is 100% made in the USA, then I agree. If it’s made in Europe, sold to a US based retailer, then purchased by the factory to make knife blades, then it’s a different story.

 

[Cobalt]

That's bullshit. Ken Warner aided and abetted Mike for decades

Well if you are right, show the proof of that. I would love to know. I never heard a bad word about Ken. So bring it.

 

[Blues]

And how do you suppose this would work? Putting the blame on retailers? Ummm…so would you have walmart go through all their stuff and confirm providence?

Retailers have to trust the makers word.

I'm not sure Walmart can confirm Providence even if they go through all their stuff, but they can at least take reasonable measures as regards provenance.

 

[Blues]

Like Benchmade! They claim their products are Made in the USA but use European steels on some of their knives.

You would have to look at the regulations regarding what percentages and key ingredients must be of U.S. origin to make particular claims. I didn't work in our fraud division, so it's not my area of expertise.

 

[J. Doyle]

If the steel is 100% made in the USA, then I agree. If it’s made in Europe, sold to a US based retailer, then purchased by the factory to make knife blades, then it’s a different story.

This is ridiculous and getting way over complicated and off in the weeds.

A sheet of steel isn't a knife. If the blade was made in the US (and the rest of the parts) the KNIFE was made in the US. Period. Regardless of where the raw materials came from.

 

[shinyedges]

Made in the USA of global components i think is the technical term, or that is what packaging says when I see it while in town anyway.

 

[jbmonkey]

Mike Stewart lives in a home that’s two levels above a mobile home.

Where the money went, I have no clue, but unless he lined the walls in gold, the money he took isn’t in his real estate holdings

Even the ship was a rental.

which makes more sense. think michigan homestead bankruptcy protected allows 40k to 50k something and 76kish if over 65...

i dont know prices up there, maybe that super low for even a mobile?

 

[GPyro]

which makes more sense. think michigan homestead bankruptcy protected allows 40k to 50k something and 76kish if over 65...

i dont know prices up there, maybe that super low for even a mobile?

Acreage is probably more relevant.
How many acres of land is that home on.....?

 

[somber]

For sure. I bought a home there in 2015 for $32,000 and it was very average

Stewart’s home is in the bluff of Gladstone and has no real acreage to the property.

Normal, typical plot. I’ll try and find the address.

 

[lunect]

If the steel is 100% made in the USA, then I agree. If it’s made in Europe, sold to a US based retailer, then purchased by the factory to make knife blades, then it’s a different story.

Is a Erasteel magnacut/magnamax steel knife considered as 'made in USA?' or need different label.

 

[mitchnola]

as an example of doing it the right way by a knife company: a while back, the US foundry producing 1095 cro-van steel shut down. That's the primary steel for most of KaBar's knives that are actually produced in the USA. As a result, they had to start ordering their steel from a German supplier. Due to a tightening of the laws concerning "USA made", they had to remove the USA marking off their knives in 2019 or 2020, because foreign steel was the main component of their product and NO amount of processes done in country was enough for them to label the knives as a USA product under those laws.

Sorry, I find this hard to believe and I could be wrong. Seems like there are way more factors to that story to be true. Importing a raw material and then using it in your own factory would still have to be considered USA made. It’s a global economy. So many raw materials are imported that only using American sourced raw materials to be considered American made would make it virtually impossible.

 

[mitchnola]

If the steel is 100% made in the USA, then I agree. If it’s made in Europe, sold to a US based retailer, then purchased by the factory to make knife blades, then it’s a different story.

So if they use screws made in China can the product still be made in the USA? To me that’s taking it to an extreme. And fortunately that’s not the cass to be able to claim made in the usa.

 

[J. Doyle]

For sure. I bought a home there in 2015 for $32,000 and it was very average

Stewart’s home is in the bluff of Gladstone and has no real acreage to the property.

Normal, typical plot. I’ll try and find the address.

I would not publicly post his address here.

Might actually be a rules violation.

But not a good idea either way.

 

[Blues]

Is a Erasteel magnacut/magnamax steel knife considered as 'made in USA?' or need different label.

nsm is in the best position to answer this question.

Larrin may know as well, I don't know how much he gets involved in this side of the business.

 

[somber]

I would not publicly post his address here.

Might actually be a rules violation.

But not a good idea either way.

Of course I would not do that.

It doesn’t even need to be stated.

 

[saxon]

Is a Randall made in the USA if they use elephant ivory and Swedish steel? As long as you don't invent some stupid story about having an elephant ranch in Texas, I think we have to give a little ground on this one.

 

[Blues]

Stay on topic please...

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[ferider]

which makes more sense. think michigan homestead bankruptcy protected allows 40k to 50k something and 76kish if over 65...

i dont know prices up there, maybe that super low for even a mobile?

Might not matter, see post 342. BRK appears to be an LLC. LLC bankruptcy shields members' personal assets unless personal guarantees were signed.
.

 

[J. Doyle]

Of course I would not do that.

It doesn’t even need to be stated.

Just making sure.

You said "I'll see if I can find the address" in response to people asking about his property.

I wasn't sure where you were going with that and didn't want you to catch grief.

 

[jbmonkey]

Might not matter, see post 342. BRK appears to be an LLC. LLC bankruptcy shields members' personal assets unless personal guarantees were signed.
.

true, but more often than not, they have signed personal guarantees. its super rare anyone would give credit without that....especially the era it was started in.......