Just saw this.....Bark River is no more?

Comprehensivist said:
WARNING !!!

When the original Ops first post hit on this story, I went searching on the internet for corroborating info. I also searched the large BRKT websites (I.e. DLT, KSF, etc.) to see if there were any updates on their sites.

During the course of my searches, I discovered a website called dlttradingdeals.com . I never recall seeing a separate DLT website for “deals”. My radar went up when I saw a number of number of name brand knives like CRK Umnumzaans and Bog Oak Small Sebenza for less than $100.

I would strongly suggest checking with DLT directly before buying anything there to verify if this website is real or a scammer trying to take advantage of the fear and anxiety surrounding the Bark River scandal.

Phil
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I'm going to guess it's not real...
 
Comprehensivist said:
WARNING !!!

When the original Op’s first post hit on this story, I went searching on the internet for corroborating info. I also searched the large BRKT websites (I.e. DLT, KSF, etc.) to see if there were any updates on their sites.

During the course of my searches, I discovered a website called dlttradingdeals.com . I never recall seeing a separate DLT website for “deals”. My radar went up when I saw a number of number of name brand knives like CRK Umnumzaans and Bog Oak Small Sebenza on sale for less than $100.

I would strongly suggest checking with DLT directly before buying anything there to verify if this website is real or a scammer trying to take advantage of the fear and anxiety surrounding the Bark River scandal.

Phil
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Dlttradingdeals?
Im already suspicious
Might as well be called "happyfuntimeknifedeals4u"
 
1346wildcat said:
Just a thought but I have the same feeling (hunch) when I handle a RHK piece as I do when I held a BRK. Cheap and unrefined. Maybe there is a “ranch” in China too.
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If you do not have any evidence of wrongdoing this is not the place for such speculation. You've now made three such posts in this thread which are spurious at best, and unrelated to the OP

Move along.
 
I bought a hunters axe in A-2 last week. Anyone want to trade for a cool rock out of their yard?

On a serious note. I was semi collecting BRKs for a few years and now only have 4-5 older models in A-2. They may all go in the trash now, I wouldn’t any of them anywhere in the knife world.
 
SharpBits said:
Of note, BRK had been doing work for other makers as well. No idea if they also got burned and if their steel is also to be questioned.
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It would be interesting how many brands and Who.....I'm curious if they had Pride in that relationship? I steered away from them when realized..... A certain look gave it away, and the box......but I'm not an expert
 
Not trying to defend BRK, but wanted to point out something about Magnacut and other tool/stainless steels!

Some stainless/tool steels have different tempering cycles that can be used, which can effect the stain resistance of the steel. So heat treating can play a part in stainless steels staining. But Magnacut is not "stainless" in the traditional sense in terms of amount of Chromium in the steel percentage wise (D2 is just below "stainless" as well), but there is something to how the other alloys make Magnacut very stain resistant, 2nd to Vanax, even though by the % definition, it's not "stainless". Larrin talks about this in some of his articles about Magnacut and how some steels have 2 different tempering ranges that can be used. Most opt for the lower temperature cycles, which usually have better fine edge retention and toughness and stain resistance over the high temperatures, which are often used in industrial use so the steels don't overheat during use and de temper themselves.

I have also seen in my own shop with using the same belts/dunk bucket for carbon and stainless steels, sometimes stainless steels can appear to "rust" when I am at coarser grits due to the carbon steel particles still being on the blade and those rusting. I saw the pics online from BRK about the Magnacut staining, but they run it at 62 HRC and if they use the higher tempering protocols, the steel may be less stain resistant. If I scrubbed the blade well and cleaned it better, it stopped and stopped as I went up to high grits and the larger particles weren't getting stuck in the grit scratches.

I remember seeing some other brands, maybe Ambush and ATK, (removed the other company name since I can't find the info anymore).

They also did mid techs and produced production models for other makers at different points, too, as like a collaboration. They also helped a lot of smaller custom/semi custom makers learn how to make knives and helped them do batches and stuff, so a lot of custom makers got their start with BRK and went on their own from there.
 
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Honesty, integrity, and trust is everything, if you are missing a single one of these traits you have nothing. To put this lightly, I wonder about the dealers who knew BR was intentionally mislabeling the steel on their knives, and chose to ignore it anyway and keep the business relationship going--- to me they don't remain blameless and may even be culpable to an extent
 
I’m just sick for the hardcore BRK collectors. I bet there are collectors that spent $25,000-$50,000 over 15-20 years and now those are near worthless and have the horrible reminder attached to them. Even if someone collected moderately and has 10-20 knives, at $300 per knife that adds up fast, those are 1/10 the value or less now.
 
ferider said:
I have one. When I started to move from folders to fixed blades I bought a Bravo 1 in Cruwear, must have been in 2020 (?). I picked Cruwear because I had fallen in love with Spyderco Cruwear, with thin, tough, and non-chipping blades.

It was pretty obvious after some use that this was not Cruwear. I forgot what I did with it, but I don't pry with my knives:

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Pretty obviously not Cruwear. Or A2 for that matter; I like a good A2.

That was my first and last BR, afterwards I mostly focused buying from our knife makers instead.

There were several BR threads since then on them using the wrong steel, cracks in the handles, etc. And there were always fanboys in these threads strongly supporting BR, some offended by reports of bad quality, nasty/no product support, etc.

I am very sorry for the customers who got conned.

I am not sorry for Mike, the above defending fanboys, or the BR employees who knew.

Roland.
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Looks like there is a line of rust along the leading edge of that chip, which could indicate a previous crack. Not sure what would cause that crack. And the grain looks weird near the tip. I get that Cruwear is not chippy, but any steel could chip with that kind of crack and so little steel behind it.
 
Twindog said:
Looks like there is a line of rust along the leading edge of that chip, which could indicate a previous crack. Not sure what would cause that crack. And the grain looks weird near the tip. I get that Cruwear is not chippy, but any steel could chip with that kind of crack and so little steel behind it.
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So you mean I should be happy I bought a new, cracked knife ? Or that it cracked before it broke ?
 
Hemphill and Northwoods were what I was thinking of. I heard way back that Hess had some work done by BRK, but cannot confirm, so don’t take that as gospel.
 
Danny Linguini said:
Same thing went on (and on and on and on) with Survive!. Clear evidence that the company and its owner were basically a scam, but people kept buying their crap and going on record defending them right up to the very end.
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Maybe I need to re-read the hall of shame thread but did Survive ever lie about the materials they were using, on the knives they actually did get out the door? Thought they were mainly just not delivering product
 
Comprehensivist said:
WARNING !!!

When the original Op’s first post hit on this story, I went searching on the internet for corroborating info. I also searched the large BRKT websites (I.e. DLT, KSF, etc.) to see if there were any updates on their sites.

During the course of my searches, I discovered a website called dlttradingdeals.com . I never recall seeing a separate DLT website for “deals”. My radar went up when I saw a number of number of name brand knives like CRK Umnumzaans and Bog Oak Small Sebenza on sale for less than $100.

I would strongly suggest checking with DLT directly before buying anything there to verify if this website is real or a scammer trying to take advantage of the fear and anxiety surrounding the Bark River scandal.

Phil
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No need to contact DLT Trading because if this website is selling Umnumzaans and bog oak Sebenzas for less than $100.00 it’s obviously fake 🤦‍♂️
 
ferider said:
So you mean I should be happy I bought a new, cracked knife ? Or that it cracked before it broke ?
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Of course, I don't think you should be happy. It just looked as though the crack had a cause that had little to do with whether the steel was Cruwear or not. I get interested in what makes knife blades fail and like to talk about it -- that's all.
 
Taz said:
Not trying to defend BRK, but wanted to point out something about Magnacut and other tool/stainless steels!

Some stainless/tool steels have different tempering cycles that can be used, which can effect the stain resistance of the steel. So heat treating can play a part in stainless steels staining. But Magnacut is not "stainless" in the traditional sense in terms of amount of Chromium in the steel percentage wise (D2 is just below "stainless" as well), but there is something to how the other alloys make Magnacut very stain resistant, 2nd to Vanax, even though by the % definition, it's not "stainless". Larrin talks about this in some of his articles about Magnacut and how some steels have 2 different tempering ranges that can be used. Most opt for the lower temperature cycles, which usually have better fine edge retention and toughness and stain resistance over the high temperatures, which are often used in industrial use so the steels don't overheat during use and de temper themselves.

I have also seen in my own shop with using the same belts/dunk bucket for carbon and stainless steels, sometimes stainless steels can appear to "rust" when I am at coarser grits due to the carbon steel particles still being on the blade and those rusting. I saw the pics online from BRK about the Magnacut staining, but they run it at 62 HRC and if they use the higher tempering protocols, the steel may be less stain resistant. If I scrubbed the blade well and cleaned it better, it stopped and stopped as I went up to high grits and the larger particles weren't getting stuck in the grit scratches.

I remember seeing some other brands, maybe Ambush and ATK, (removed the other company name since I can't find the info anymore).

They also did mid techs and produced production models for other makers at different points, too, as like a collaboration. They also helped a lot of smaller custom/semi custom makers learn how to make knives and helped them do batches and stuff, so a lot of custom makers got their start with BRK and went on their own from there.
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Thats helpful thanks.

Why do companies use a high temp protocol anyway? Are there any advantages over the cold?
 
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