Thanks Moose
, do you know when they were around though? Like what year? Wouldnt mind at all if they came back into production or reincarnated (Snoop Lion 
!) in to the ZK line or something...Looks like a cool little chopper.
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Thanks Moose
, do you know when they were around though? Like what year? Wouldnt mind at all if they came back into production or reincarnated (Snoop Lion !) in to the ZK line or something...Looks like a cool little chopper.
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Thanks Moose
I'm not sure, Toooj will have to confirm that. I remember seeing them dissapear around 2005/2006, but I could be wrong.
Moose
CamH,
The 1244 (Black Camp knife) was produced from 2002-2010. Not so great sales. If you search hard enough you will find them at some of the small ma and pa stores.
LG &M,
We hard/temp our D2 to final hardness of HRc 59-60. It's a touch lower than it could be but we have found that it makes it easier for the user to sharpen the edge and adds a bit of toughness. Remember, that the same abrasion resistance that allows the D2 edge to keep on cutting is the same abrasion resistance that makes D2 a bear to sharpen.
Hope all of this helps.
Best Regards,
Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
The 1244 (Black Camp knife) was produced from 2002-2010. Not so great sales. If you search hard enough you will find them at some of the small ma and pa stores.
LG &M,
We hard/temp our D2 to final hardness of HRc 59-60. It's a touch lower than it could be but we have found that it makes it easier for the user to sharpen the edge and adds a bit of toughness. Remember, that the same abrasion resistance that allows the D2 edge to keep on cutting is the same abrasion resistance that makes D2 a bear to sharpen.
Hope all of this helps.
Best Regards,
Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
Thanks, thats about where I would want it. Like you said a good balance for knife that might be used hard. I have a bunch of cardboard and am going to test it next to my Kabar 1095 CV BK11 and my Cam era BK11 for edge holding. should be interresting. Any bets on the outcome? I have a D2 Dozier I am going to toss in the mix also.
LG&M,
L6 is a great steel. I've played with several of Larry Harley's knives out of L6 and they were superb cutters and very tough. (Of course, he austempers his blades so that helps tremendously) Larry is one of the Kings of L6.
Here is the issue with L6 and many of the other superb knife steels: Getting sufficient quantities and in the sizes and thickness's that we need to process. Many Smiths use L6 as it is readily available in rods and bars which is conducive for smiths. However, it is not conducive for production. It is hard to get in sheets and in the size, thickness and tonnage we require. Also many of the fancy steels require very different processing methods (different grinding wheels, heat treat protocols, blanking/cutting processes; etc. To name a few things). We have the technical knowledge but are not ready to commit large times, monies and effort to large scale production without assurances of good ROI. Remember, we make a LOT of knives, so the scale of economy is very different from the Custom Smiths and Stock Removal makers.
As you can guess from this post and the many others I have posted concerning steel; it's not about the steel. That's the easy part. It's about all of the other ancillary and secondary things that cause the issues. I get steel samples all the time. Love them all. There are a lot of great knife steels out there by a lot of great steel companies. But unless we can figure out all of the issues that are created from adding a new steel, we have to beg off.
Sorry for the long winded explaination. Hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
L6 is a great steel. I've played with several of Larry Harley's knives out of L6 and they were superb cutters and very tough. (Of course, he austempers his blades so that helps tremendously) Larry is one of the Kings of L6.
Here is the issue with L6 and many of the other superb knife steels: Getting sufficient quantities and in the sizes and thickness's that we need to process. Many Smiths use L6 as it is readily available in rods and bars which is conducive for smiths. However, it is not conducive for production. It is hard to get in sheets and in the size, thickness and tonnage we require. Also many of the fancy steels require very different processing methods (different grinding wheels, heat treat protocols, blanking/cutting processes; etc. To name a few things). We have the technical knowledge but are not ready to commit large times, monies and effort to large scale production without assurances of good ROI. Remember, we make a LOT of knives, so the scale of economy is very different from the Custom Smiths and Stock Removal makers.
As you can guess from this post and the many others I have posted concerning steel; it's not about the steel. That's the easy part. It's about all of the other ancillary and secondary things that cause the issues. I get steel samples all the time. Love them all. There are a lot of great knife steels out there by a lot of great steel companies. But unless we can figure out all of the issues that are created from adding a new steel, we have to beg off.
Sorry for the long winded explaination. Hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
Thanks for the response. I guess I never thought of it like that. I do understand, I work in manufacturing also. We just don't make anything as cool as you.
The logistics of putting a project together and getting what you need when you need it from your vendors can be a real pain. I just think the BK 11 & 14 are such a great platform for testing (playing ) different steels but if it can't be done in a cost effective way it would never work.
So what you are saying is a L6 BK11 would rock right?
The logistics of putting a project together and getting what you need when you need it from your vendors can be a real pain. I just think the BK 11 & 14 are such a great platform for testing (playing ) different steels but if it can't be done in a cost effective way it would never work.
So what you are saying is a L6 BK11 would rock right?
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Any update on a Eskabar 2?
blazerman,
I talked to both Mike and Jeff at Smoky Mt Rep weekend. They don't have a problem with us doing it. However, we at KA-BAR will have to do some serious thinking about it. The added length is not the issue. The tooling cost of the handles that we just introduced for the Eskabar I is the issue. We need to get our money out of that before we change the handle and obsolete the tooling. In the words of one of my former bosses: "Nothing is ever easy".
But don't give up hope.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
I talked to both Mike and Jeff at Smoky Mt Rep weekend. They don't have a problem with us doing it. However, we at KA-BAR will have to do some serious thinking about it. The added length is not the issue. The tooling cost of the handles that we just introduced for the Eskabar I is the issue. We need to get our money out of that before we change the handle and obsolete the tooling. In the words of one of my former bosses: "Nothing is ever easy".
But don't give up hope.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
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Thanks Tooj, I appreciate the response.
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Will there be any difference between the production model to be released, or will they be the same as the BK10LE's?
Warrior,
The BK10LEs were made from old Camillus blanks. The new production run will be made entirely by KA-BAR. There may be some very slight profile variations just like the other Cammy vs KA-BAR Beckers but our intention is to keep the look the same.
We will try to improve on the "feel" and performance characteristics of the knife.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
The BK10LEs were made from old Camillus blanks. The new production run will be made entirely by KA-BAR. There may be some very slight profile variations just like the other Cammy vs KA-BAR Beckers but our intention is to keep the look the same.
We will try to improve on the "feel" and performance characteristics of the knife.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
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As always Tooj, much appreciated.
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What will the thickness be, if I may ask?
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Thanks again Tooj, appreciate it. I'll probably end up buying another. I sold my LE. Couldn't bring myself to use it.