Kate Perry & the Sheeple

[Chris "Anagarika"]

Joystick doesn't harm people. Playing too many violent games at younger age build certain psyche that it's cool to harm people. Again, what's being introduced into the mind is important.

Same issue with knife. Knife doesn't kill. The wielder does. What they need is a national campaign of self defense education to the society, instead of banning certain inanimate object. Like other has said, taking one's responsibility over one's action needs to be trained. That builds character and character builds the mind that's ready for anything. Honor, integrity and responsibility is what they need to train in their children. Then when those kids grow up, they make a better society.

As we have discussed so often, not having a knife or gun is not the issue. Having the right mindset, awareness, and preparedness for the worst is the issue.

I'm against the law that prevent individuals defending themselves. However, the best solution is to bring back the society ability to act and defend themselves.

Fully sympathize with the loss of the father (being one myself). But I know it won't happen with my son, simply because I arrange my life and my family life to avoid such incident, awareness, choosing the right neighbourhood, etc.
Do we know in full what was the circumstances during the gang killing?

 

[mongomondo]

The prevalent use of "whilst" is sickening.

 

[Dr Heelhook]

Ban streets. They hurt.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Like other has said, taking one's responsibility over one's action needs to be trained. That builds character and character builds the mind that's ready for anything. Honor, integrity and responsibility is what they need to train in their children. Then when those kids grow up, they make a better society.

Chris, this is exactly the dilemma the British face. Their government doesn't want a nation of self-reliant citizens. People like that wouldn't vote for the politicians they've got now. The primary purpose of the welfare state is not to protect people from adversity but to train them to dependency.

I arrange my life and my family life to avoid such incident, awareness, choosing the right neighbourhood, etc.

You're not the kind of citizen they want!
You are the kind of citizen we want!

 

[Wunderbar]

These people need to grow a pair.

Well said!:thumbup:

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Ban streets. They hurt.

That's it. It's those mean streets that lead the youth of today
astray.

We explored the concept in that well-known work of sociology,
West Side Story.

"He's got a social disease!"

 

[Peter Parker]

I agree with most of you and especially Esav Benyamin. Our country is well on the way to becoming the next nanny state and either way I only see it getting worse after 11/4!

 

[Hard H2O]

The people perpetrating those crimes are not swayed by a picture of some pop star.

If that was all it took why don't these dogooders distribute posters of celebrities holding fuzzy bunnies and cute kittens?

That would certainly turn the crime rate around.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

That's IT! A picture of Rosie holding a fuzzy bunny. A picture of Barbra holding a cute kitten. A picture of Rosie holding Barbra ...

 

[Seals]

I like chicks with knives.As for the U.K.I think it's hopeless.Looks like we're headed down the same path quickly too.

 

[Chris "Anagarika"]

Esav,

As we are not the government, we do what we can within our means. I, my family. You, your family. And so on, soon the effect should propagate. Hopefully those around us are inspired and change too.

That's the best we can do.

 

[Dr Heelhook]

It's a pretty hot picture though..

 

[MB1]

It has been said before...Guns (in this case knife) don't kill people. People kill people..

Anyway...I can't make myself think of a knife as a weapon. I've always used it as a tool. Ofcourse many tools can be used as weapons...but this means that se should not use pens too. It is hard, but in theory you can stab someone with a pen or a pencil too... It is crasy.

 

[EDCeeker]

I went to school in Scotland for a year. From my outsider's perspective, the biggest problem was that people refused to take responsibility for their actions.

God forbid individuals should be held responsible for their actions!

This is akin to the reactions from parents at a recent school meeting about three shootings, in which one victim was killed, just outside a Detroit school. Some of the parents were blaming the school district for not doing more to prevent this kind of thing from happening. Mind you: This took place out in the street, outside the school.

My thoughts: Detroiters, it is your sons, daughters and neighbours committing these crimes. It is you that are enabling them. The government cannot save you. (Esp., I'd argue, a government entity that has so-consistently proven itself to be as blazingly inept as the Detroit school system and its Board of Education.) It is you, Detroiters, that must solve your social problems.

Same goes in the U.K. for their "knife violence epidemic." I cannot imagine what twisted thinking leads people to believe they can allow, even encourage asocial behaviour, and expect some miraculous government intervention is going to prevent the predictable results.

As for those saying "Thank God it isn't like that in the U.S.A.": Just wait a while. It's coming . The people that are promoting this kind of social malaise are relentless. I don't understand it, but there it is.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

I don't understand it, but there it is.

The less responsibly you behave, the more dependent you are. THEY hope to be the ones on whom you depend.

Eventually? Line up for your daily bread handout.

 

[dave_last]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=651792&rss=yes

Whilst I understand and empathise with the reaction from victims of crime, I think this reaction is a bit over the top.

The winners here are Perry (her publicists) and the anti-violence campaigners who get free publicity and the losers are the victims of violent crime.

Perry is due in the UK in Liverpool (where this guy was murdered) in less than 2 weeks to host the MTV Europe Awards.

She currently has a song that is number 14 in UK charts.

Don't believe for a moment that there's any accident that her publicists released this photo that they now claim was taken back in 2005 just hours after this murder in the very city that she'll be appearing in. They knew exactly what the reaction would be and they were not exactly trying to encourage Brits to sign up on BF for the new membership deals.

The anti-violence campaigners know that they will not reduce violence in any way by protesting this. Unfortunately they too are just after the publicity.

The victims of violent crime in the UK are the true losers. Instead of doing anything meaningful to address crime, expect the government to sit idly by as anti-violence campaigners followed by UK mass media scapegoat the tools instead of the criminals.

As for people in the UK who use knives for utility or even self-defense, are there any left out there?

 

[flashlife]

Well, after Barrack "spreads Joe's wealth around", what will he aim for next?
I recall in the Clinton 2nd term, a lot of folks looked into stashing their guns in burried PVC pipe, etc...just in case. At least your knife collection is probably less bulky than your gun collection.

Esav has it right, the UK gov't seeks to make the citizenry dependent. And now, with our gov't essentially nationalizing the banks, we'll have a gov't that owns the roads, the license to travel on them, the schools ( to 'train' the young), the militarized police forces, the mortgage on your house,and the country's finances...what's left? I was about to say the TV channel you watch, but if the liberals enact the "fairness doctrine", the channel you select won't matter much.

We won't have to hire British nanny's to look after our kids (as if I had the $$ for that), we'll have plenty of nannys right here.

Oh and BTW...don't draw this at schools in the US...and soon, not at home either !

 

[Esav Benyamin]

The victims of violent crime in the UK are the true losers. Instead of doing anything meaningful to address crime, expect the government to sit idly by as anti-violence campaigners followed by UK mass media scapegoat the tools instead of the criminals.

As for people in the UK who use knives for utility or even self-defense, are there any left out there?

Exactly the problem: the program is, not so much to ban the knives, but to brainwash the people into not even thinking of defending themselves ... against crime, against government, against their own irresponsible behavior.

 

[phaserrifle]

errm hang on a minute. The impression I keep getting from the media is that I'm the one of the few under 18 year old males in the country that doesn't carry a knife. I thought that the remaining males where either 1) very young or 2) carrying other weponary. If this message is true HOW CAN TEENAGERS BE ENCOURAGED TO CARRY KNIVES. ACCORDING TO YOU (the media) WE'RE ALLREADY DOING IT.

katie perry is indeed hot.

 

[wolfsurvival]

Esav Benyamin- you are right on man . Not sure if this is true or not, but I saw some program, where if you are attacked on the street in the UK. They want you to Yale police! instead of help! due to the fact that, they don’t want the people defending themselves. nor asking help from other citizens. They want you to be totally reliant on the state for your security.. Hell their putting people in Jail for even attempting to defend themselves. Quiet sad actually , those people screwed up when they allowed their guns to be taken and now their paying for it by having a government controlled nanny sate, and that just sucks. I feel the US is slowly drifting that way as well, and that even sucks more 1984 coming to the US soon………..