Kate Perry & the Sheeple

[Esav Benyamin]

Some of us remember our own version of this; in contrast, there is no corresponding citizen oath.

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of The United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God.​

 

[StrangestMan]

The British press drools over anything that will sell papers.. There are far too many sheeple over here

 

[wolfsurvival]

Strangestman, you may want to take a leap over the pound man, before they start putting people in jail for thought crimes, or are thy already doing that? It’s getting rough here as well but we haven’t been disarmed as of yet. Not really sure if that would ever really be possible here anyway. To many people own firearms. As a matter of fact, I only know two people who don’t…

“To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
- George Mason

 

[Anaxes]

As for people in the UK who use knives for utility or even self-defense, are there any left out there?

A lot of people are very unhappy about the situation, but in general far less active than the average American is.
The U.K has it's own NRA and so fourth, however they are not interested in anything outside specific types of target rifles.

They paid little attention when SLR centrefires were banned, and had only recently themselves unbanned them from use at the U.K national shooting centre Bisley when the ban was enacted. Pistols received little aid when they were banned either.

Knives are popular for defence as it's not actually illegal to have one on your property for the purpose, although prosecution is inevitable if you were forced to use it. Hunters and outdoor types make generally basic use of them, but extreme care must be taken not to be seen using one...

Hunting regularly causes an armed Police response, in fact, few shooters haven't been graced with one, and so knives can exacerbate the situation.

 

[Unsub]

The UK has gone INSANE! Imagine how stupid people would think it was if the papers freaked out about a girl posing with a car because some little girl somewhere was killed by a drunk driver? I am sick of these big city morons telling me what I can or can't do. They are stealing our civil liberties and it is time we made sure people know that is what it is "a attack on freedom by fascists" not for our own good.

 

[Gunfucius]

Hunters and outdoor types make generally basic use of [knives], but extreme care must be taken not to be seen using one...

What normally happens when someone is seen using a knife in the outdoors?

Hunting regularly causes an armed Police response, in fact, few shooters haven't been graced with one, and so knives can exacerbate the situation.

I knew it was bad in the UK, but I didn't know it was this bad. People really can't recognize a hunter when they see one?

 

[Anaxes]

What normally happens when someone is seen using a knife in the outdoors?



I knew it was bad in the UK, but I didn't know it was this bad. People really can't recognize a hunter when they see one?

It varies of course, but you have a fair chance of spending hours waiting for the Police to check whether your exemption to carry is valid.
This will often happen with fixed blades, they tend to be less difficult with folders.

People DO end up in court even with a valid exemption, and DO get convicted!. Cast iron excuse doesn't enter into it.
Sometimes they may just feel the knife is too large or nasty anyway. Police decide what you have good reason for; no definitions.

No, and most of the anti-hunting types use armed Police as a weapon against them. We have a huge anti-bloodsport movement as they like to think of themselves as. Hunting is seen as cruel and upper-class, even by many meat eaters here.

So, if the rifle or shotgun doesn't alarm somebody they'll ring to say you're popping the wildlife: You can't win.
It happens a lot, even in the countryside.

 

[StrangestMan]

Strangestman, you may want to take a leap over the pound man, before they start putting people in jail for thought crimes, or are thy already doing that? It’s getting rough here as well but we haven’t been disarmed as of yet. Not really sure if that would ever really be possible here anyway...

Dude, I'd like nothing better than to be able to do just that..

I was brought up in a military family so firearms don't scare me like most people over here.

As for thought crimes.. Not yet, but you can get busted for speaking your mind

 

[bitter1]

Come to America our knife loving Brit friends we welcome you and your EDC's over here.

 

[elkins45]

"If you make a face like a doormat, people will walk on you."

Hadn't heard that one before. Good one!

 

[Arkeld]

Pop star Katy Perry has sparked outrage in Britain for posing with a flick-knife, as another of the nation's teenagers was stabbed to death in a gang-related incident.

Gang-related? Could it be that the problem is street gangs and not "normal" people, including Kate Perry, owning knives? Could it be that the british education and social services failed epically? Nah, it´s just the knives.

There is nothing glamorous about knives — they wreck families. Any youngsters seeing her will think it's OK to carry a blade.

So the knife became animated and stabbed the kid in the back? Or maybe it was a gang of criminal youths who killed him? Mmh, nah, must be the knife.

On a sidenote, when parents lose their kids, the become immensely distressed. In their (understable) distress, they often fail to see common sense, instead looking for a culprit they can fight. Car accident? They campaign against anything that goes faster than 15 mph. Cancer? They rage against the nuclear power plant/handheld phones/whatever else. Kid was stabbed? They go anti-knife.

Whether the object of their hatred is really to blame is completely irrelevant. It´s a coping mechanism and as such irrational.

 

[EDCeeker]

Esav Benyamin- you are right on man . Not sure if this is true or not, but I saw some program, where if you are attacked on the street in the UK. They want you to Yale police! instead of help! due to the fact that, they don’t want the people defending themselves. nor asking help from other citizens.

It is true, from all that I've read.

The ironic thing is that, once-upon-a-time, British subjects were required by law to defend themselves and others from criminals, and aid in the pursuit and capture of criminals. English law and history, including the Magna Carta and the English 1689 Bill of Rights, are as much a part of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights as King George's tyranny and the War for Independence.

As Great Britain has disarmed the populace, discouraged citizen involvement in their own defence and the defence of others, and placed increasing reliance on the police force, crime, including violent crime, has actually risen, according to University Professor and author Joyce Lee Malcolm.

Here in the U.S., in recent years, we've somewhat reversed that process. We've passed "shall issue" laws in many states and, more recently, so-called "castle doctrine" and "stand your ground" laws, as well as provisions protecting honest citizens from frivolous civil lawsuits by the relatives of criminals. (Here's a telling thing: Trial lawyers vehemently oppose such laws.)

Who is safer? Hard to say. The U.K.'s crime rates have tended to rise over the decades, as restrictions on the means and rights to self-defence have been restricted, but that trend appears to be reversing itself. The U.S. crime rates have tended to trend downward, as we've freed the people to defend themselves, but those trends, too, appear to be reversing. One thing seems certain: Denying law-abiding citizens the rights and means to defend themselves and others from criminals does not appear to have a positive impact on reducing crime.

 

[coop1957]

First it was guns. Next will be knives. Then screwdrivers, then "tactical pens". Then forks, then rocks, then high heels. Then the Brits will only be allowed to have pillow fights.

 

[Morales]

And your teeth and fingernails will have to be removed as they are able of hurting people...
They should also ban cars. A few thousand people die every year in car-related accidents and I assume that some get of them are killed when some pop or rock star has a concert the same day in the very same city. And how do they get to the location of the concert? By car! I wonder if the term "knife" has become a 21st century synonym for "witch" or something. Think about it:

- Witches had special powers (and knives are of course able to corrupt the minds of those who own and use them...)
- they lived among us (a butterknife can be found in every household)
- they looked different ( a Sebenza doesn't look like a butterknife)

So burn the witch, eh knife!!

 

[EDCeeker]

First it was guns. Next will be knives.

It's already knives. In fact, and I'm certain it was reported somewhere here on BF at the time, some want a ban on pointy kitchen knives.

Then screwdrivers, then "tactical pens". Then forks, then rocks, then high heels.

They're already prosecuting people for carrying things they believe are being carried as possible weapons.

See Gun Control's Twisted Outcome: Restricting firearms has helped make England more crime-ridden than the U.S., by Joyce Lee Malcolm. (N.B.: That article is six years old. I believe crime is now trending back downward in the U.K., but I could be wrong.)

Then the Brits will only be allowed to have pillow fights.

Only very soft, fluffy pillows.

Lest Americans think it cannot happen here, in the U.S., I would caution against complacency. The Democrats have been soft-pedaling their anti-gun, anti-self-defence positions lately, not because they no longer believe in those things, but because it's been a political loser for them. But if we end-up with a Democratic president and Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress (all of which is becoming increasingly likely): Watch out!

 

[Kaizen1]

I really don't see the problem here. If Kate Perry stops influencing the gang members from carrying knives, then it's physically impossible for them to be a danger to anyone. How can anyone NOT get this???

 

[stormyone]

I really don't see the problem here. If Kate Perry stops influencing the gang members from carrying knives, then it's physically impossible for them to be a danger to anyone. How can anyone NOT get this???

I'm intrigued. Explain further, please.

 

[phaserrifle]

I really don't see the problem here. If Kate Perry stops influencing the gang members from carrying knives, then it's physically impossible for them to be a danger to anyone. How can anyone NOT get this???

errm, the gang members
1) are allready carrying knives (if the govorment and media are to be believed)
2) mostly (from what i understand) don't listen to kate perry (thier more gangsta rap types, by all accounts)

 

[Esav Benyamin]

I'm intrigued. Explain further, please.

Because if they aren't carrying knives, they can no longer bash you with clubs or stomp you with boots. Don't you agree?





ha ha ha ha ha

ha.

 

[EDCeeker]

I really don't see the problem here. If Kate Perry stops influencing the gang members from carrying knives, then it's physically impossible for them to be a danger to anyone. How can anyone NOT get this???

errm, the gang members
1) are allready carrying knives (if the govorment and media are to be believed)
2) mostly (from what i understand) don't listen to kate perry (thier more gangsta rap types, by all accounts)

Um, phaserrifle? I believe your sarcasm detector needs new batteries