Kershaw whiplash? any thoughts?

Aknife, people have instantly assumed it was weak, which are FALSE assumptions, hidden tang knives have existed for a very long time, with thinner tangs that the whiplash, yet there has never been a reported chronic problem of them breaking. So if you double the thickness of an already proven to be useable tang, it should be tougher. I don't have to own the knife to know that double the steel doesn't mean it's weaker.
 
A_Blade_Afficionado said:
Aknife, people have instantly assumed it was weak, which are FALSE assumptions, hidden tang knives have existed for a very long time, with thinner tangs that the whiplash, yet there has never been a reported chronic problem of them breaking. So if you double the thickness of an already proven to be useable tang, it should be tougher. I don't have to own the knife to know that double the steel doesn't mean it's weaker.
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I'm going to conjure up some picture magic to explain why I think it's a weaker design then a hidden tang knife.
 
Josh K said:
Perhaps people don't "sit and bash" Sal because he doesn't make "bold, military-style fixed-blade" knives? :rolleyes:
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Ever read the description on the Civilian sir? Marketing is marketing...neither company is chopping corpses for DVDs here....

BTW, I noticed the non-reply to post #169. :D
 
A_Blade_Afficionado said:
Aknife, people have instantly assumed it was weak, which are FALSE assumptions, hidden tang knives have existed for a very long time, with thinner tangs that the whiplash, yet there has never been a reported chronic problem of them breaking. So if you double the thickness of an already proven to be useable tang, it should be tougher. I don't have to own the knife to know that double the steel doesn't mean it's weaker.
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Yeah I know, but visually it looks weaker and that's all they really have to go by when there are no reviews. Hence the blades being shipped out to a few members to "test" them because apparently no one has the knife. The design, not just the tang, doesn't appeal to me. I have nothing against the designers or the company.
 
J_Curd said:
Ever read the description on the Civilian sir? Marketing is marketing...neither company is chopping corpses for DVDs here....
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As I recall, the Civilian was developed by request of a branch of US LEO's. They also restrict the number of models they sell, and increase the price beyond their normal margins to discourage the widespread ownership beyond LEO's.

What, did you really think that a G-10/VG-10 back lock knife justifies a MSRP of $269? :rolleyes:

Also, it's a folder, not a fixed blade.
 
Um, since when was this about fixed vs folders, or price...I commented about your trashing of Kershaw's marketing phrase when Spyderco has their own similar flavor...lets focus here.
 
The whiplash serves a specific purpose, it's for those who need the convenience of a retractable lanyard at all times.

I won't be buying one though for a couple of reasons and I'm a huge Kershaw follower. One, it just doesn't suit me needs.

I won't be buying this either, Spyderco's latest, again a specific purpose, the "Warrior." Good for special ops missions?

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J_Curd said:
Um, since when was this about fixed vs folders...I commented about your trashing of their marketing phrase...lets focus here.
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And what is Spyderco's marketing phrase on the Civilian?

In the 1990s Spyderco was approached by a specialized branch of U.S. law enforcement about making a knife for their undercover agents. These plain-clothes LEOs found themselves in situations where they often could not carry a firearm but carrying a knife was not a problem. Most had no formal training in self-defense tactics or MBC but as a last resort could use a blade to protect or extricate themselves from a life-threatening situation. This was how the Civilian model came to be.

The Civilian has a patented reverse "S" blade that's intended to be used like an oversized claw. The tip is ground to an ultra-thin profile. Deeply curved and full at the belly, the VG-10 hollow-ground blade excels in slicing and is available fully SpyderEdged. Because of its distinctly specialized features it is not intended or designed for general utility or everyday use. Curved in all the right places for ergonomic use and retention of the knife, the handle is black G-10. Mounted for tip-down carry with a custom curved black clip, the knife rides deeply and unobtrusively in a pocket. One of the most specialized CLIPITS in the Spyderco line-up, the Civilian is available in limited quantities.
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Hell, that's a G rated description there.

Compare to the description on the Whiplash. :cool:
 
5.56 said:
The whiplash serves a specific purpose, it's for those who need the convenience of a retractable lanyard at all times.

I won't be buying one though for a couple of reasons and I'm a huge Kershaw follower. One, it just doesn't suit me needs.

I won't be buying be buying this either, Spyderco's latest, again a specific purpose, the "Warrior." Good for special ops missions?

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It might just be me, but that knife is but ugly and useless to boot.
















Oh wait, did I just break the fanboy mold? :foot: :rolleyes:
 
If you are incapable of drawing the parallel, I am incapable of debating the point of contention.
 
J_Curd said:
If you are incapable of drawing the parallel, I am incapable of debating the point of contention.
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You were the one who tried to draw a parallel between a defensive folder marketed at LEO's with a mall ninja style fixed blade with a tactical description to boot. :rolleyes:

I do agree, if you can't compare it to anything then you really can't argue.
 
I think the retractable lanyard is a good idea, I just think they could have positioned and shaped the notch differently to maintain a larger tang cross section. For those doing the testing, I'd like to know if stuff gets caught in there if carried in the woods or when slinging other gear. The belt cutter sheath on SOGs seems like a good idea, until your other gear starts to snag.

Anyway, I don't care who made it, and the maker & designers have a good rep. I would be all over a production RAM III, and I like the experimenting with more mills for steel supply. I just want to see how this tang holds up. I have a question, but make no absolute judgment, especially about the company as a whole.
 
You contend that claiming the Whiplash is a "bold, military-style fixed-blade knife" is mall ninja and tactical...

Let's break it down so everyone can absorb it:

Bold design? 10 pages of posts would agree.

Military style? I don't know what else it would be called...definitely not an outdoors knife...maybe a utility blade?

Fixed blade knife? Check.

Okay, on to the Civilian:

Designed for "specialized law enforcement undercover agents" - Okay, it sounds kinda scary and black ops...definitely a knife for only one use (as stated in the blurb).

"could use a blade to protect or extricate themselves from a life-threatening situation" - We're getting into serious tactical territory here eh?

So tell me Josh, other than bias, how can you read a simple phrase from Kershaw as offensive marketing, then immediately defend the Civilian with "its made for cops, see that huge price tag" with any degree of credibility?

Your opinion on the marketing is just like your opinion of the Whiplash vs the Street Beat.

Sorry for paying attention.
 
J_Curd said:
You contend that claiming the Whiplash is a "bold, military-style fixed-blade knife" is mall ninja and tactical...

Let's break it down so everyone can absorb it:

Bold design? 10 pages of posts would agree.

Military style? I don't know what else it would be called...definitely not an outdoors knife...maybe a utility blade?

Fixed blade knife? Check.

Okay, on to the Civilian:

Designed for "specialized law enforcement undercover agents" - Okay, it sounds kinda scary and black ops...definitely a knife for only one use (as stated in the blurb).

"could use a blade to protect or extricate themselves from a life-threatening situation" - We're getting into serious tactical territory here eh?

So tell me Josh, other than bias, how can you read a simple phrase from Kershaw as offensive marketing, then immediately defend the Civilian with "its made for cops, see that huge price tag" with any degree of credibility?

Your opinion on the marketing is just like your opinion of the Whiplash vs the Street Beat.

Sorry for paying attention.
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Ok, how about "Dark Ops style fixed-blade knife"? Is that a better description that bristles less hair?

It looks like something made and marketed by Dark Ops.

You are comparing knives designed for and marketed as self defense knives to a $30.00 fixed blade that's designed to look cool in mall store showcases, and has an ad-copy to match.
 
J_Curd said:
You contend that claiming the Whiplash is a "bold, military-style fixed-blade knife" is mall ninja and tactical...

Let's break it down so everyone can absorb it:

Bold design? 10 pages of posts would agree.

Military style? I don't know what else it would be called...definitely not an outdoors knife...maybe a utility blade?

Fixed blade knife? Check.

Okay, on to the Civilian:

Designed for "specialized law enforcement undercover agents" - Okay, it sounds kinda scary and black ops...definitely a knife for only one use (as stated in the blurb).

Funny, it doesn't sound scary or "black ops" to me.

"could use a blade to protect or extricate themselves from a life-threatening situation" - We're getting into serious tactical territory here eh?

What do you mean by tactical? Seriously I don't understand how you think "protect or extricate" from "life-threatening situations" can be made to sound "black ops" or scary.

So tell me Josh, other than bias, how can you read a simple phrase from Kershaw as offensive marketing, then immediately defend the Civilian with "its made for cops, see that huge price tag" with any degree of credibility?

I'm saying that you have one company that is marketing to mall ninjas with a blackened "bold" design, "military" style sales pitch, and low price while you have another company that has taken measures to protect against such a class of buyers.

Your opinion on the marketing is just like your opinion of the Whiplash vs the Street Beat.

How? I think the Street Beat is stronger then the Whiplash. It also happens to look better.

Sorry for paying attention. What a joke. You're not paying attention to anything which is evidenced by your posts.
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Your defense of "what else do you call it"

Just read the bold.
 
What a joke is about right.

Of course, Im pretty sure we wouldnt agree on the context of that either :D
 
If you want to split hairs...
The Whiplash was designed to solve a lanyard problem.
The Civilian was designed to dismember and injure. It was designed to give somebody the upper hand in combat.
Is "Military Styling" or "Dismemberment" more Dark Ops? I would think that a weapon designed to be used to harm other humans is more Mall Ninja/ Dark Ops than a fixed blade being used as a utility blade.
But you are blind to the truth and won't ever admit defeat because you've been so radical on this topic that you won't reason with us.
 
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