kirk69

Trying to get kirk to reform had nothing at all to do with my thread or my itrader feedback to him.

It had everything to do with the social responsibility to try and keep someone else from having further trouble with him. Some folks use iTrader, some folks use this forum. At the end of the day, I wanted to be sure that people would have a better chance of making an informed decision about who they deal with. Folks need to stand up and not be scared of leaving appropriate feedback. That is what will keep others from having the same negative experience with members who shouldn't be on the forum.

He continues to show his mentality though and is now claiming that I traveled back in time after he apologized to me in order to post this thread and leave the iTrader feedback! :D
 
Karda said:
All I'm saying is that posting this thread and Kirks knowledge of it should've been enough to change his behavior. I myself wouldnt have taken this to the itrader just yet, unless he continued to back out of deals and such after being made well aware. He shouldnt have needed to be made aware of his behavoir in the first place, but some people do...anywhere you go. :rolleyes: :grumpy:
I agree it is bad form for Kirk69 to post neg feedbacks in return for recieving them and it should be against the rules, but i kinda expected that he would. If this werent taken to itrader, maybe it would've had a little better outcome this time.
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Why not. iTrader is the vehicle to warn others of bad deals. An I'll take it with no follow through is a bad deal and warrants negative feedback IMHO. It is a ban-able offence on most sites.

And what do you mean by better outcome. Do you believe Kirk would have suddenly realized that he should sollow through on his I'll take its and suddenly send the money he committed???
 
I left Kirk99 neg points because I agree there is a responsability to warn others of his behavior. I have only gotten scammed once on these forums. When I did a search of Oliver Plomion, nothing negative appeared. When I figured out Oliver had scammed me and posted as such, many others came foward to say he had scammed them too. If they had posted that info, I would have dealt with Oliver very differently. The words "I'll take it" hold weight on these forums. Even a child understands this. Kirk99 has attempted to play games and got caught. End of story. He left me neg rep points because he won't take responsibility for his own actions. He had a chance to redeem himself before but HE ruined that. Not me. Not ColdOne.
 
ColdOne said:
Trying to get kirk to reform had nothing at all to do with my thread or my itrader feedback to him.

It had everything to do with the social responsibility to try and keep someone else from having further trouble with him. Some folks use iTrader, some folks use this forum. At the end of the day, I wanted to be sure that people would have a better chance of making an informed decision about who they deal with. Folks need to stand up and not be scared of leaving appropriate feedback. That is what will keep others from having the same negative experience with members who shouldn't be on the forum.

He continues to show his mentality though and is now claiming that I traveled back in time after he apologized to me in order to post this thread and leave the iTrader feedback! :D
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Bill Siegle said:
I left Kirk99 neg points because I agree there is a responsability to warn others of his behavior. I have only gotten scammed once on these forums. When I did a search of Oliver Plomion, nothing negative appeared. When I figured out Oliver had scammed me and posted as such, many others came foward to say he had scammed them too. If they had posted that info, I would have dealt with Oliver very differently. The words "I'll take it" hold weight on these forums. Even a child understands this. Kirk99 has attempted to play games and got caught. End of story. He left me neg rep points because he won't take responsibility for his own actions. He had a chance to redeem himself before but HE ruined that. Not me. Not ColdOne.
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Most people (adults and children) understand proper etiquette and manners, some don't. Some need their parents or peers to make them aware of their behavior. I understand your anger and commend you both (or anyone) for taking the time to step up and warn others, but i feel taking it to itrader was taking it a little too far, since he was already made aware of his wrongdoing.

UDDwaine said:
Why not. iTrader is the vehicle to warn others of bad deals. An I'll take it with no follow through is a bad deal and warrants negative feedback IMHO. It is a ban-able offence on most sites.

And what do you mean by better outcome. Do you believe Kirk would have suddenly realized that he should sollow through on his I'll take its and suddenly send the money he committed???
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As no merchandise or money changed hands i would say that itrader should've been left out of it in this instance, as this thread was his first warning of his wrong behavior. If his behavior had continued after the warning then maybe a admin warning or neg rep points would've been more appropriate at that time. One would reasonably expect that given kirk69's past behavior that giving him neg points could possibly result in him retaliating with the same.
By better outcome i meant that if the itrader were left out of it this time, now that kirk69 was aware, he would not post "I'll take it" unless he follows thru and noone would be mad about getting neg points. Other members could find this thread when they do a search(or have someone search for them, Everyone should do their homework in The GB&U before entering any transaction.) on kirk69 as a prospective buyer and the problem would hopefully have been resolved without admin action.

There probably should be some sort of etiquette sticky at the top of the forum, so that less astute members would know proper conduct from the get go.

Keith Montgomery said:
What a little creep. In my opinion he should be banned and all the negative feedback he left should be removed.
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Banned? possibly..at this point, leaving retaliatory negs should be discouraged. The negs he left should definately be removed.
 
Bill Siegle said:
I left Kirk99 neg points because I agree there is a responsability to warn others of his behavior. I have only gotten scammed once on these forums. When I did a search of Oliver Plomion, nothing negative appeared. When I figured out Oliver had scammed me and posted as such, many others came foward to say he had scammed them too. If they had posted that info, I would have dealt with Oliver very differently. The words "I'll take it" hold weight on these forums. Even a child understands this. Kirk99 has attempted to play games and got caught. End of story. He left me neg rep points because he won't take responsibility for his own actions. He had a chance to redeem himself before but HE ruined that. Not me. Not ColdOne.
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That sums it up precisely.
 
Karda said:
Most people (adults and children) understand proper etiquette and manners, some don't. Some need their parents or peers to make them aware of their behavior. I understand your anger and commend you both (or anyone) for taking the time to step up and warn others, but i feel taking it to itrader was taking it a little too far, since he was already made aware of his wrongdoing.

As no merchandise or money changed hands i would say that itrader should've been left out of it in this instance, as this thread was his first warning of his wrong behavior. If his behavior had continued after the warning then maybe a admin warning or neg rep points would've been more appropriate at that time. One would reasonably expect that given kirk69's past behavior that giving him neg points could possibly result in him retaliating with the same.
By better outcome i meant that if the itrader were left out of it this time, now that kirk69 was aware, he would not post "I'll take it" unless he follows thru and noone would be mad about getting neg points. Other members could find this thread when they do a search(or have someone search for them, Everyone should do their homework in The GB&U before entering any transaction.) on kirk69 as a prospective buyer and the problem would hopefully have been resolved without admin action.

There probably should be some sort of etiquette sticky at the top of the forum, so that less astute members would know proper conduct from the get go.


Banned? possibly..at this point, leaving retaliatory negs should be discouraged. The negs he left should definately be removed.
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Kirk69 has blamed everyone else, eg. Bill, Coldone, BF Forumites, Canada Customs, Canadians, all but himself. He may "say" sorry, but his behaviour and actions say otherwise. He enterd into agreements, backed out of them without so much as I am sorry. How are we as a community supposed to hold him accountable? Before he utters the words "I will take it" are we to assume he means maybe or almost or I might want it. The phrase "I will take it" has historically become the precedent to closing a deal here on Blade forums. Kirk69 needs to be accountable, and those holding him accountable need to feel they can do so without fear of the tit for tat mentality. Otherwise why even bother to have feedback.
 
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tendy said:
..., and those holding him accountable need to feel they can do so without fear of the tit for tat mentality. Otherwise why even bother to have feedback.
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THAT'S the problem with iTrader. It's like the green and red chiclets. You collect good points and bad points, but few people will research those points to see why you got dinged. They just take them at face value.

With FEEDBACK/GBU on the other hand, everything is in the open and people can come back and give their own story. it's not just :thumbup: or :thumbdn: -- it's a whole argument, with bystanders joining in with their opinions. MUCH less chance for a dishonest rating to go over unnoticed.
 
Order a drink in a tavern then tell the bartender you changed you mind when it's served? Order a meal in a diner and tell them you changed your mind? Do it more than once in the same place?
 
If he's still doing it, and backing out, report the posts. We'll start issuing infractions. Eventually he'll be banned.
 
Folks,
Yesterday, I sold a Swamp Rat Howling Rat to Kirk. As I check my PP this morning, I see that he has paid for it in full. He will be getting the knife shortly as well as positive feedback from me for a quick and easy transaction.

I am not suggesting that people should forget about his actions in the past, but if you choose to consider those actions when deciding to deal with Kirk, then also consider that he has now had two good deals with me. I know that trust, once lost, is very difficult to get back. It seems like he is making a strong effort to re-gain it here.
 
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