Knife dealers must restrict LE and low produced knives to just ONE person!

[Ken44]

I pretty much think they already do, not that it would be my business to tell them how to run theirs.

Joe

I think they do too. I know any limited knife I've bought in the past two years had a limit on it.
Maybe the OP can tell us what limited knife didn't have a limit on it.
Which ones are you speaking of OP ?

Their business, they decide. You get to decide to spend money with that vendor. Contact them, voice your concerns, if they don't work with you, you can not spend your money there.

That's the way it should be.

I agree. I don't know of any that isn't placing a limit on them, but if the OP does he needs to contact the vendor.
We can whine all we want, but it is the vendor that has control.

 

[steff27]

I think the issue here is not people who want to buy five of a certain knife and have three in the safe, one in the truck and one in the pocket. And trust me some people hoard knives just because they want them. Fine more power to you. What I cant stand are the guys that come to this forum soak up all the limited production knives for the sole purpose of price gouging forum members that they claim to care so much about. Guess what guy, you buying up 5 rare knives from the same site I was just looking at then coming on to the forum right afterwards and trying to sell it to me for $200 more than what you paid isnt doing me any favors. If you want to jab it to your "family" thats fine. But lets not call it anything other than what it is. What irks me even more are the people that come running to defend these people doing it. I have nothing against making a buck. But I dont really see that as an honest dollar. I dont see it as work. I see it just like a ticket scalper or the same guys who go out to all the Tj maxx and Marshalls stores buying up clearance designer clothes and then selling it on ebay as first rate designer clothing at full retail. Its just low. Its like buying an $2 egg mcmuffin at 10:30 and then standing at the front door of the restaurant offering it to people as they walk in for $10 because they missed breakfast. The sad thing Is that people do it here to people they claim are their friends.

If you need a cutting tool that bad, get to the next hardware store, buy an Opinel and cut whatever you need to cut.

But that's not the case, right? Truth is, we are talking about luxury items. If you feel treated poorly by your luxury item supplier, don't give him any more money, problem solved. Limiting freedom because of some luxury products just doesn't seem smart.

 

[JNewell]

So, are you channeling Joe Stalin, or Mao, or...? Maybe I'm just too much of a libertarian to believe that I should be telling other people how to run their lives and businesses...

Whenever, there is a limited edition or short run knife to be produced.....I read about how people say they want to buy three or four. Some give an excuse-"to pass on to others" yet I see these same forumites posting these knives on the exchange.

How about we all get a shot at it? Instead of some buying the lot. GPK, KC, BHQ and others if you view this thread please enforce this rule on rare and LE knives, your customer base will grow as well.

 

[Luis G.]

I don't have a problem with anyone buying a dozen, two dozen, or all of the lot.
What I have a problem with is people buying dozen, two dozen, or all of the lot then flipping them for profit. They are effectively undercutting legitimate by the book dealers.
It's one for that guy who bought one limited edition. And ends up selling ONE limited edition knife for a profit. That is perfectly understandable. But whenever you come with 5? Really?

A prime example in my opinion is Estate4life.
He was recently questioned on his buying/selling, his excuse was: "Once you get them in hand you know if it's a keeper."
Really Estate4life? So when you keep buying and selling paramilitary 2's for profit (generally a few days after a dealer has them in stock), it's just that they weren't keepers... the last 20 times you bought the same knife?

Some have limits some don't. If you call, you can usually get past the limit.
I know I've called to try putting an order for 4 ZT 777's when they came back in stock. They accepted the order but quickly refunded me, apparently someone else beat me to it.

 

[Dan57]

Limiting freedom because of some luxury products just doesn't seem smart.

What does freedom have to do with this?

Also, other commenters are right, a lot of dealers already do this. OP, who're you talking about that doesn't? (You can't say their names in General unless they're a paid dealer, but if this gets moved to Feedback, which is probably where it belongs, you're allowed to name them.)

So, are you channeling Joe Stalin, or Mao, or...? Maybe I'm just too much of a libertarian to believe that I should be telling other people how to run their lives and businesses...

Quoting myself:

A lot of people here don't seem to understand this, so I'm gonna put it in all caps: NOBODY IS SAYING THAT SOME LAW SHOULD BE PASSED MANDATING DEALERS TO LIMIT CERTAIN KNIVES TO TWO PER PERSON. We're asking that they do it anyway because it's just the right thing to do.

 

[FCM415]

Yeah dealers do set limits for the most part already. It shows that they are aware of the situation, that some are out there strictly to take advantage of the situation. Limits are there to make as many people happy otherwise it would be even worse.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

We had a Bladeforums member who bought up every expensive, highly prized knife he could, and re-sold them for a significant mark-up. He did this so shamelessly that Spark had to clarify the Bladeforums definition of Dealer Member. It now includes anyone who buys in bulk and jacks up the price to others who missed out because he cornered the market. If you buy them to flip them, you are a Dealer.

What can you do, what can you do, boo hoo?

First of all, you can hold your money, and let the Dealer sit on his vast treasure. Eventually, the price will drop, others will see that the exciting sprint or limited edition is just another production knife. I would rather buy a manufacturer's flagship model, tried and true, gets the job done. I don't need the vanity edition, certainly not at price-gouger cost.

Second, you can go to the lower left corner of a post and click on the small triangle icon. This will bring up the Report Post box. Tell us about this flipper and we'll tell him to upgrade his membership or stop gouging.

I am not going to give you a lecture on true capitalism, which has nothing to do with price-gouging. Price-gouging occurs within any economic system. As my father said, greed and discourtesy are destroying this country.

Hey, guys! Enjoy this hobby, enjoy your knives, appreciate the other good guys you'll meet here, ignore the divisive, obnoxious, obstructive. Almost all the people posting here constantly provide us with good information and advice, and a lot of laughs along the way. Avoid the other kind.

 

[Blades'n'45]

Esav for President

 

[Dan57]

We had a Bladeforums member who bought up every expensive, highly prized knife he could, and re-sold them for a significant mark-up. He did this so shamelessly that Spark had to clarify the Bladeforums definition of Dealer Member. It now includes anyone who buys in bulk and jacks up the price to others who missed out because he cornered the market. If you buy them to flip them, you are a Dealer.

Second, you can go to the lower left corner of a post and click on the small triangle icon. This will bring up the Report Post box. Tell us about this flipper and we'll tell him to upgrade his membership or stop gouging.

I didn't know that. Thanks for the info!

 

[galactorrhea]

Yes, I'll agree with a few other posters -- the arguments here are not incongruous with capitalism. I haven't seen a statement calling for legislative enforcement or mandates on limited knife rationing... just a view that honest dealers would have a purchase limit, which many of them do. Capitalism seems to be dealing with the problem for the most part.

Me personally, I'm glad that I'm usually not attracted to the extremely desirable limited/sprint runs... Most of the ones I've picked up on the primary market have been a few months after release!

 

[bld522]

The sad part is that people are paying those prices....

Precisely. This is not rocket science. It's called the law of supply and demand. If people refuse to pay sellers' asking prices, sellers will eventually lower their prices. And the ball is invariably in the buyer's court . . . especially where luxury items are concerned.

If people don't like the prices sellers are selling their luxury products for, they should stop blaming sellers and go look in a mirror. And as far as asking dealers to start rationing the products they have for sale, good luck with that.

 

[Jastab]

This just in... an online dealer has pm2's in stock. And only 1 PER CUSTOMER! Nice thinking on their part.

 

[bld522]

Very nice of the dealer to do that. :thumbup: My guess is that he doesn't have a very large supply.

 

[StevieWunders]

In a free society, people have the right to be wrong. They have the right to behave badly. They have the right to suffer the consequences of their actions. The last is how we learn to behave in an acceptable manner. Remove any of these rights and you will soon have no rights at all. You cannot change human nature-regardless of your political/social philosophy. You cannot TEACH people anything at all. You CAN allow them to learn through repeated cycles of behavior>consequences what will work best for them. If selling rare objects for exorbitant prices works well for them, they will pursue that behavior. This applies to makers and gougers alike. The one- or two-man shop turning out handmade knives necessarily produces limited quantities. They sell for whatever we're willing to pay. The knife factory owner makes a conscious decision to limit the number of knives in a given run. They sell for whatever they think we're willing to pay. As long as the gouger is wiling to risk buying up the run at their asking price, they will pursue this behavior. Why not? It's successful. The gouger is the only risk-taker in this equation and the market can reward or punish risk-taking. We are the market. The choice is completely ours. Either buy the knife at the asking price and enjoy it without carping about not being able to get it cheaper or don't buy it and enjoy being a wise shopper.
I'm most certainly not defending the morality of the gougers, but I do defend their right to be gougers. I believe in my right to be whomever I choose, so I have to believe in theirs, as well, regardless of my opinions. They can't steal money from me; I have to choose to give it to them in exchange for something I can live without. If it were scarce food or water, I would, if hungry or thirsty, cheerfully cut their throats for it. That is not the case when I, like most people here, already have enough sharp steel to cut my way out of three trips to hell. I buy knives for the PLEASURE of it. There's no pleasure in getting screwed. I don't have to do it. Thinking about this whole issue in any other fashion is simply trying to avoid my own responsibility in it.

 

[Morrow]

What if I buy multiple LE knives from multiple dealers?

Should the dealers form a cabal to prevent such shameless purchasing activity?

 

[richard thurman]

Damn right he has the right to do so, this is America! I like to buy every gallon of milk and sit out front and sell it for double. Its a great gig I got goin on, just because I can. But seriously, people talk about how great the knife community is and this is always happening. If people want 5 of each sprint run just to look at then good for those douche bags I guess. A knife is a tool and ment to be used plan and simple. If your trying to get rich flipping knives, you're in the wrong business.

BULL if you know what you are doing and where you will get the most money you should do it. I think the are called dealers. I was buying in bulk so I could sell the same switchblade they where buying from the local supplier for what they paying for it.

 

[Knight88]

Sounds an awful lot like how a couple people cornered the gold market years ago, thankfully we had our government step in and fix that problem. I believe in fair trade and being able to turn a profit but not when they purposely do so to the extent of being the only person that can regulate that item. I too have wanted to purchase multiple knives but not because I wanted to take away from someone else but because I love the design and I dont know when I will be able to get another.

 

[PURPLEDC]

If you need a cutting tool that bad, get to the next hardware store, buy an Opinel and cut whatever you need to cut.

But that's not the case, right? Truth is, we are talking about luxury items. If you feel treated poorly by your luxury item supplier, don't give him any more money, problem solved. Limiting freedom because of some luxury products just doesn't seem smart.

Well the argument of "freedom" is going into political territory so im going to try and tread lightly. All I will say is that the idea of buying up a limited commodity for the sole intention of resale for profit is seen in ticket scalping and that is illegal. Remember at one point every law in existence at one point was a freedom before someone deemed it to be inappropriate. And I would argue to say that you have the freedom to walk around town and tell every single person you encounter that they are a low life and should set themselves on fire. And while that is your right, it doesnt make it well, "right".

 

[Maddogg774]

It's the command "must" from the OP that rubs me the wrong way. Don't tell me how to run my business, especially when your eating sour grapes from not getting your way. mastiff is right, none of our business. If you don't like the way they do business, don't buy from them.

 

[u812]

I do wish they would limit it to one per customer. I have given up on trying to buy sprint runs. I would love to have a blue Para 2 buy no way I am giving 300.00 for one.