Knife for the wife to carry

Artfully Martial said:
And deathray
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Now that is just silly, it won't fit into her purse. :D

Every encounter is going to be different. So a one size fits all knife is almost
impossible to find that she will even like let alone carry the thing. I may be
biased here but if legal a double edged knife with a lanyard that is small
enough to be always carried would seem to be the ticket.

And BTW has this been run by the wife yet?
 
hardheart said:
Typical use would be primarily used for defense and my piece of mind. She doesn't need one for work, but could use it for various things like opening boxes, light utility work, etc... Nothing that would require a real work horse of a knife. Hadn't thought about a swiss army knife, great from the utility aspect, not to sure about accessing it in a self defense situation.

I don't think anyone was terribly off base discussing the SD aspects, since this was his stated desire for it.
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All this self defense talk seems to assume she sees the attack coming. My bet is that she has a knife to her throat or a gun in her back before she even realizes she is in danger. Most folks don't walk around in constant fear of being assaulted (nor should they have to). Let's get real here in our use of cutlery. Probably the most useful knives she will own will be found in the kitchen.

Now if your primary lifestyle is hanging out at biker bars all weekend...
 
My thoughts, a SAK, Delica, Mini-Grip/Mini-Rittergrip, maybe even something mid-sized from CRK&T.
 
allenC said:
4 Ranges,

I find it very interesting that your armed students did'nt stab much.
I wonder...you mentioned that they receive weapons training, right?
Would that include training with knives?

Maybe the problem was the type of knife training they have received?


I say this because, from my experience, most untrained folks, when given a knife to defend themselves with, will invaribly use stabs about 90% of the time and hardly use any slices.
Stabbing just seems more instinctive for untrained folks.


I'm also surprised that your students would drop the knife or bow out after receiving a hard cross.
They were fighting as if their life depended upon it, right?
And besides, anyone who is close enough to deliver a hard cross is also close enough to be gutted or castrated.
I can see using kicks against an opponent armed with a knife, or using chairs and what-ever-else you can find, but to close the distance within punching (and stabbing) range is rather odd.

I wonder if the unarmed students were willing to take such a risk only because they knew that they were in no real danger of being stabbed to death?

I also noticed that, while you're not selling your own personal training, you're still selling the whole "self defense/martial arts" industry:

"Rather than spending money on a knife, and wasting time trying to figure out which one would be good for her...spend the money getting her QUALITY self-defense TRAINING, so that she can defend herself and make smart decisions, knife or no knife."

You stated that as if an untrained woman of average intelligence can't defend herself or make smart decisions.

Anyway, I'm sorry to de-rail the thread so much, I just can't stand silent when someone says that an untrained person will probably have their weapon taken and used against them.

EpO,
It sounds like your wife is a very capable person.
If weight is an issue (the knife's weight, not your wife's weight), then a Delica or Salt I would be great, maybe even an Endura.
They have terrific blade-steel, they open very easily, they're very light weight, and they're very affordable too.

Good luck,
Allen.
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All my students receive knife training. But, like everyone, their proficiency in it varies. But, unlike everyone, they're more proficient in it than your average person who doesn't receive knife training.

Stabbing was an option, but unfortunately my unarmed students have been trained to "occupy centerline", so the targets they were aiming for when stabbing was not present. To top it off, the unarmed students kept "checking" them with leg kicks. So, my armed students had a rough time of it. But my unarmed students DID get cut also, but not in debilitating targets.

Stabbing may be the instinctive response 90% of the time, but that doesn't mean the response is 100% effective.

A hard cross can hurt you VERY badly. It's a hard thing to believe if you've never been hit by a cross from someone who's actually competed in the golden gloves (as was the case in my school). Also, the cross was set-up by a leg kick (savate-style). So the unarmed student had hurt his sparring partner pretty badly before the cross came. One fellow got bloodied; the other almost had his arm broken.

The unarmed students had to wear clean, white t-shirts, to make them HYPER aware of any cuts that they received. I explained to them what a cut or stab could do to them (I pulled out my chinook II so that they could imagine would could happen). So, they were well aware.

As for selling...I think you're stretching that a bit. Epo wants his wife to be able to defend herself with a knife. If anyone is selling, it's the people who are selling the KNIFE INDUSTRY by recommending knives without thinking about his wife's needs to also defend herself.

AllenC, I'd like to ask you something: are you trained in any knife combatives?
 
Hmm an old saying goes like...

A knife should not be seen, but felt.

Deception is not a stranger here, but i guess in training it all has to be on the up an up, On the street is another thing..


And not all attackers are trained Goldberg like canidates, most are weasily,cowardly runts or groups that have to have an advantage like suprise, mechanical advantage or group numbers. And of these, if confronted with possible retribution from a pissed off victim, they tend to flee, of the others, thier mindset was not gonna let anyone leave or live anyways.


In society there are sheep an wolves, and a few sheep with sharpened teeth.


So many variables, so many outcomes possible.


:D

WR
 
My sweet little Kraut Frau...seems to prefere a Hubertus stag/3" blade. She has had the pick of the litter from my collection and owns several.

The one I find she uses and loves to "surprise" the other Old Gals @ her Bride Club with the most is "her" Hubertus.

(Thank God even with a concealed permit she stopped carrying her Baby Glock) GrandMa definately has caught the "flick it" attitude..Not bad for a retired college professor.

l8^)~

AzPete
 
Not every "bad situation" starts as an attack with a knife or gun to a persons throat. Sometimes a person notices that they are being followed, and can access a weapon as they move to a safer area/call for help.

Cars break down, street lights go out, strangers appear in yards and at doors and a million other things that would cause someone to reach for a weapon "just in case" and with plenty of notice. One old guy here had time to take his fishing knife out of a tackle box and kill one and wound the other of his car jackers!!

Then theres coming to the aid of another person. Like perhaps a loved one.
 
Lone Hunter said:
Not every "bad situation" starts as an attack with a knife or gun to a persons throat. Sometimes a person notices that they are being followed, and can access a weapon as they move to a safer area/call for help.

Cars break down, street lights go out, strangers appear in yards and at doors and a million other things that would cause someone to reach for a weapon "just in case" and with plenty of notice. One old guy here had time to take his fishing knife out of a tackle box and kill one and wound the other of his car jackers!!

Then theres coming to the aid of another person. Like perhaps a loved one.
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That's a good reason why 911 is on a cell phone.
 
"AllenC, I'd like to ask you something: are you trained in any knife combatives?"

Yes and No.
The only knife training that I have received was during my military service--but I would'nt call it "knife combatives", a better name for the training would be "murder by knife".

Allen.
 
Ya I work for 911. Don't hold your breath. I'm an Lt. in the FD. We beat the cops to most shootings etc.Call for someone following you or acting weird and you might get a car in a few hours.

yesterday we had a 3 car mva with injuries,blocking a busy street. i called for PD 3 times,one of the drivers in the crash just left. So did we after 1/2 an hour.

Just call 911.... :barf:
 
allenC said:
"AllenC, I'd like to ask you something: are you trained in any knife combatives?"

Yes and No.
The only knife training that I have received was during my military service--but I would'nt call it "knife combatives", a better name for the training would be "murder by knife".

Allen.
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I'm not sure what to make of this statement as it doesn't give me any idea how long you trained or what you were trained in.
 
Lone Hunter said:
Just call 911.... :barf:
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I've said it again and again to people. Individuals who rely on cellular phones for protection are listed in statistics as "the victims".

A phone is definitely good to have but not something to rely on.
 
Maybe this should now be moved to the "Tactical and Practical" forum?

Anyway, to put it in a simple plain-spoken kind of way....I was trained how to kill a man with a knife (hence "murder by knife"), but I was not trained in knife-fighting or "knife combatives".

But I have defended myself with a blade more than once.

I also happen to have studied jujitsu and TKD (not that it really matters).

Don't misunderstand me,
I'm not saying that training is useless, but it is certainly not necessary in order for someone to defend themselves--especially if they have a weapon like a knife.

A very big deal has been made of knife-fighting over the years, mostly by the knife industry and the self-defense/martial arts industry, and I believe wholeheartedly that it is purely money driven.

Also, from everything that I have studied and read, and witnessed first hand (I now work at a large hospital), the vast majority of deaths attributed to knives occurs by untrained folks stabbing the other guy to death.

It just does'nt take a heck-of-a-lot of skill to use a knife effectively--and anyone of at least average intelligence and average strength can defend themselves effectively with a knife against your average thug.

Now, your unarmed students were not just your "average thug", but your armed students were'nt just your "average joe" either--so i'm surprised that your armed students could'nt defend themselves.
They must be wondering about the training that they have received, no?

Allen.
 
Amen! What a funny thread this is, IMHO!

Statistics of knife deaths have shown that the knife most often used was a ...

1. Black coated tactical blade.

2. A straight razor.

3. A Butterfly type knife.

4 A kitchen butcher knife.


Which do you think it was?

Where I live 911 is very effective. If I'm in a pickle I really don't care if it is the police or fire folks who show up just so long as somebody does.

If I'm going into "harm's way" a compact .40 cal in a back holster is what I want along with my Remington 870 12 guage pump shotgun.
 
I think a Spyderco SPOT might be a good option, as it is easy to pack, easy to deploy (no thumbstud to find to open it), it has the surest grip you can get on a knife (lagriffe concept) and the blade shape makes it quiet effective in a SD role, but still it has potential for utility use ;)

Ok, maybe get her a good griffe from Mr Perrin himself, so there is no way she can say "no" :D
 
allenC said:
They must be wondering about the training that they have received, no?

Allen.
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LOL!!

First off, the fact that you HAVE to state "I was trained how to kill a man with a knife" is downright laughable. I've met and trained with special forces folk (2 of them were actually old classmates of mine at the academy)...and they don't talk about "killing a man" with anything.

These guys probably received BETTER training than you did (considering they were SEALs and US Army Rangers), but they don't have to brag about "I learned how to kill a man." LMAO!!

Your statement is a lame attempt to validate your opinion. It's a statement only a stooge would make.

Your training in jiujitsu and TKD...I guess all this hate towards the "martial arts industry" is coming from someone who's been ripped off at the ninja mall?

As for your statement above, I'm not deaf to what it implies, and I think it's a truly laughable attempt at debate. It clearly shows that you don't know what you're talking about, and simply not worth the time taking seriously.
 
I may be banned for this, but i think your an idiot 4 Ranges.

You asked him what he knew, he told you in not so many words and you are character assinating him for saying it, then saying he brags about how to kill a man with a knife after you asked him to state this.

My god, how old are you friend, Even in our Can armed forces they are also taught how to deter, defend or De-animate a person in opposition depending on the circumstances of the situation at hand.

What is so tough to understand that thier is a multitude of ways to achieve a goal.

Your students, learned what when you pulled out your chinook,that the instructor is a sissy? If they didnt know about a knife,and ANY knife will kill or mame, they are only following thier teachers instructions, makes me wonder alot about his qualifications.

Especially if your students are attacking knife weilding peeps, i think that they missed some training there, where is their exit plan for a non confronational situation?

Oh, wait a minute, they are being backed into a corner by a person holding a metal bar, not a shiv, knife or an actuall threat, bet they learned him some lol.
And the red was to make them HYPER aware that they were bleeding all over themselves, or to put them in the mindest, that they JUST LOST USE of that arm,as their tendons were sliced aswell.(Sometimes permanent damage,not just stitches)


And your Ranger/Seal friends, dont have to say ****, they are trained to whack with what is availible, not just a knife, dumb ass, as most of the worlds forces are taught.

Your a joke.

WR
 
WarRaven:

I didn't ask him to state whether he could kill a man.

I asked him to specify what his training consisted of (hours logged in, is it Styers, Sayoc, FMA, etc.).

Resorting to name-calling won't get you banned on this forum, but it isn't necessary, especially if the post wasn't directed at you.

Relax man.
 
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