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Mo2 said:
Take your copies elsewhere please.
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What is wrong with a similar design? Who did they copy? You can't just claim something is a copy without designating what it's a direct copy of, it's valueless otherwise, wolf crying.

So who did the design first? Was it Esee? If so isn't the Ontario a copy? Or was it a design long before either of those, even? How do you trace the root of a design? Is there a patent on it? If not, what's the problem?
 
BeyondTheBox said:
What is wrong with a similar design? Who did they copy? You can't just claim something is a copy without designating what it's a direct copy of, it's valueless otherwise, wolf crying.

So who did the design first? Was it Esee? If so isn't the Ontario a copy? Or was it a design long before either of those, even? How do you trace the root of a design? Is there a patent on it? If not, what's the problem?
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All of there knives are copies not just the esse ones. And heck they even copy down to the labeling on that one.

Regardless of any argument your making. Please don't continue talking about copies. We don't want to hear it.
 
Mo2 said:
All of there knives are copies not just the esse ones. And heck they even copy down to the labeling on that one.

Regardless of any argument your making. Please don't continue talking about copies. We don't want to hear it.
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Just asking questions, as anyone whom seeks knowledge, fact and truth would do. So why are Ontario considered okay? Seems like nothing but racism to me.

They mark their knives with their own branding. Yes they copy, even WHERE they mark it, but not what they mark it with. So it's not a fraud or clone, and as far as I can tell they don't infringe on any copywrites or patents. I looked into that first as I've learned to do from those here.

So you see, I'm still trying to understand where the lines are. Previously I was led to believe that the line was at patent ripoffs. I came to understand that perspective and even agreed with it. Now you're telling me design copies, even without patents to protect them, are included in this supposed moral high ground. Well, I need to understand the why behind this thought process, because I don't see it from where I stand currently.

So is this against forum rules? Or is it just a line some to many of you have drawn for yourselves and, for some inexplicable reason, expect everyone else to automatically have as well?

I mean, they use different steels and they don't mismark them as the wrong steel, so they aren't trying to sell them as anything other than what they are. They don't brand them as a ripoff. Where's the problem?

You've got to understand, I come from the watch world, previously. Where there are tons of design copies and as long as they aren't branded as the copied brand, they are generally well received. I agree with this way of thinking and would need to be persuaded as to why that would be wrong. Now maybe I'm conditioned to believe this to be acceptable and I'm open to changing my point of view.

I think I've more than proven that I'm open to differing points of view and coming to see things differently than I previously had. I'd say that's a huge sign of someone worth discussing things with.

I mean, come on, can't you see that it's precisely this attitude you've displayed that makes this place very unwelcoming to New comers here to learn and grow.
 
Mo2 said:
Check out SVORD KNIVES. They are affordable but have good steel and ht.
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I just got a Peasant, as I’m checking out friction folders. It’s ugly compared to sleek modern folders, but that fat handle is super comfortable, and the thin blade took a very acute angle easily, and it cuts like a demon! I find myself looking for reasons to use it.
 
J Joshua1973 Welcome! :thumbsup:

I don’t own any $500-2,000 knives. As others have mentioned, pretty much everybody here appreciates good value knives. Don’t be put off by the preponderance of Shiro reviews etc., I dare say if I owned such an expensive knife then I would want to post a review! ;)

There is a lot of love for tried and tested, basic knives. What mostly gets slated is either junk or clones, as mentioned above.
 
Dangerously said:
I just got a Peasant, as I’m checking out friction folders. It’s ugly compared to sleek modern folders, but that fat handle is super comfortable, and the thin blade took a very acute angle easily, and it cuts like a demon! I find myself looking for reasons to use it.
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They’re great, aren’t they? Fun to tinker with the tension too!
 
Pilsner said:
They’re great, aren’t they? Fun to tinker with the tension too!
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Agreed. The first thing I did was take it apart to see how it worked. 8 pieces, not complicated. While I like the tight tolerances of a Sebenza, the low tolerances of the peasant also make it a joy to take apart and put back together. Hard to screw it up.
 
Most guys generally prefer to look at pix of hot, generally unattainable chicks and not of the homely girl who lives next door and can cook like a five star Cordon Bleu chef. In a similar vein, I think most knife guys prefer to look at pix of the hot, frequently (for a lot of us) unattainable knives. IMO, this leads to focus on and pix of knives that are beyond the financial reach of many of us. A lot of the pix are frequently set up with background items that are also frequently beyond the financial reach of many of us. That’s life. Even although a lot of them are beyond me, I still enjoy reading about and seeing pix of those knives I could only buy if I saved up my leisure $$ for quite some time.

When I feel overpowered by knives I can’t afford, I visit the website of one of the major online knife vendors, select “knives”, then “folding knives” and sort by “Popular”. Seeing what the vendors sell the greatest numbers of is interesting, because a lot of those items are truly low-cost knives. I found the Kershaw Nura (a >$20 flipper) that way and I ended up throwing one into an order to take me over the free shipping level. That knife is great. I could do anything I want with or to it (although I won’t) and I’d never have to feel guilty for abusing a knife that I paid enough for to always take loving good care of. It’s like the Mossberg pump that I take to the duck blinds in the salt marshes.

If you ever need a quick trip to the world of low-cost knives, I recommend my little website getaway. I always come back from those little trips feeling like a rich guy with stunningly costly knives (my most expensive is ~$180). It’s great therapy.
 
Well, I have a Medford Marauder that in Canada goes for over $1000.
Have some customs as well.

I also bought a Case Knives Peanut (in brand new condition, with box) for $20 at the pawn shop last week. :thumbsup:

I just like knives.
 
stabman said:
Well, I have a Medford Marauder that in Canada goes for over $1000.
Have some customs as well.

I also bought a Case Knives Peanut (in brand new condition, with box) for $20 at the pawn shop last week. :thumbsup:

I just like knives.
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That’s only so you can post “Case Peanut!” as well as “Smatchet!” at apposite moments. :p
 
Anyone have any thoughts on HX outdoors?? Yes they are Chinese and generally inexpensive but to my knowledge aren't copies but their own designs.....

some are Aus8 some are 8cr13mov..... I am carrying one now and like it but if you don't that's ok ....my feelings won't be hurt :)
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kenstogie said:
Anyone have any thoughts on HX outdoors?? Yes they are Chinese and generally inexpensive but to my knowledge aren't copies but their own designs.....

some are Aus8 some are 8cr13mov..... I am carrying one now and like it but if you don't that's ok ....my feelings won't be hurt :)
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I am weary of anything with a liner lock after I ended up having to replace two RAT-1 liner locks a year just using them for work cutting open mulch bags. I do like that knife. Just prefer a back lock.
 
As to the original Q, this forum like the knife world has a wide and diverse following and levels of "acceptance" as has been stated MANY have (or at least have been at) both ends of the spectrum.
 
Joshua1973 said:
I am weary of anything with a liner lock after I ended up having to replace two RAT-1 liner locks a year just using them for work cutting open mulch bags. I do like that knife. Just prefer a back lock.
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I had a rat1 that deve!oped some blade play after 3 weeks of moderate to heavy usage .... So unlike the reputation of that knife....I rarely have problems with liner locks but I don't 100% trust or rely on them either.... FWIW the above is or was about 20 beans for the hx.....
 
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Josh,
When I first joined this forum, not so long ago, I was like you. It seemed like if you weren't spending $300+ on a knife, you were an outcast. But it didn't take me long to realize it wasn't true. Spend some time here, and you'll find, as so many others have posted, that there is an appreciation for knives across the whole price spectrum. You find this with any public forum. Go to a watch or gun forum and you'll see what I mean. Guys with $5,000 Rolexes are also singing the virtues of a $60 Timex Expedition or Casio G-shock.

What you really need to keep in perspective is, what you want out of your knives. Are they tools, are they jewelry, are they display items, etc... users here run the gamut of all those, and often, somewhere in between. There are members here who collect every possible color/blade variation of a $40 knife and never use them, and those who buy $700 customs and put them through hell. Everyone's got a different perspective and purpose for their knives.

I'll probably never by a knife over $200. $75-150 is my sweet spot, and quite frankly, the handful of knives I have, other than one or two, are all tools to be used. But I can still appreciate the high-end customs as well as the $20 budget knives. And there is plenty of info here on all of them, so stick around and you won't be disappointed.
 
Although I am a big US made and Benchmade fan, I also like knives made in Seki, Japan, and Germany. I am not a fan of Chinese folders but do have some Chinese fixed blades from Browning that seem pretty good.
 
old Marine said:
Although I am a big US made and Benchmade fan, I also like knives made in Seki, Japan, and Germany. I am not a fan of Chinese folders but do have some Chinese fixed blades from Browning that seem pretty good.
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The quality is getting better on the Chinese stuff not all of it but some of it... (Kizer for example) If some of them would make their own stuff not copy that'd be nice.... just saying....
 
I would say at least 90%+ of my collection are budget knives. Heck, most of those would probably be considered by many here as "junk" knives. I have a ton of Rough Rider and similar......and I like them. :D

One that was recently brought to my attention was the Kershaw Injection. Talk about bang for the buck. Will be buying a bunch more to give as gifts. I've kind of been known around freinds and family as the guy that gives gift knives. Everyone is always trying to recruit me into gift exchange groups or white elephant games.
 
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