knife tests .com?

[xanax]

I was messing around with the knife in the vise and broke the tip I didn't have the camera running. After that I got the camera out and did the test.

It took about a dozen 30 degree flexes before the tip broke. It is not on camera so don't take my word for it.

I have no reason to doubt your statement. Just curious, thanks. Jeff

 

[Cliff Stamp]

These tests don't prove anything, because thats not how you use a knife.

Where are all these comments directed at the makers who use such tests. Have you every publically slammed Fowler for bending a knife back and forth 180+ degrees 10 times. Do you see that as how you use a knife either? How about a little consistency. You do realize that the makers of the knives he used, like the Strider, do exactly those types of things to promote their knives.

-Cliff

 

[noss4]

Cliff: I was trying to get on your web site. it says coming soon are you up dating your site ? I hope it is not gone.

Never mind I got to it. The main page is not loaded under the index. I was typing the wrong path.

 

[mr.trooper]

Where are all these comments directed at the makers who use such tests. Have you every publically slammed Fowler for bending a knife back and forth 180+ degrees 10 times. Do you see that as how you use a knife either? How about a little consistency. You do realize that the makers of the knives he used, like the Strider, do exactly those types of things to promote their knives.

-Cliff

Who says we dont bash those guys?

 

[PatriotDan]

Noss4, when is your next test going to be if I may ask? Did I understand correctly that it's the Busse?

 

[Bors]

Who says we dont bash those guys?

So I guess I'm missing something here,
Why is there a need for bashing?
What is to be gained?
Surly both maker and designer would benefit more from Constructive suggestions rather than ridicule and bashing.





Bors

 

[JimConvex]

So I guess I'm missing something here,
Why is there a need for bashing?
What is to be gained?
Surly both maker and designer would benefit more from Constructive suggestions rather than ridicule and bashing.





Bors

You are not missing anything.

You are correct.

These are not Tests.

They are entertainment for people that enjoy seeing things bashed and abused.

This stuff is Pointless and Valueless.

You also know now that this Gentleman does Solicit Knives from Makers and does and is doing it for money.

And You must never forget.

The World Is Watching

Jim

 

[hardheart]

so Bors is correct that there is no need for bashing, then you bash noss4 and his site

...

 

[Bors]

You are not missing anything.

You are correct.

These are not Tests.

They are entertainment for people that enjoy seeing things bashed and abused.

This stuff is Pointless and Valueless.

You also know now that this Gentleman does Solicit Knives from Makers and does and is doing it for money.

And You must never forget.

The World Is Watching

Jim

No..... I think I am missing something your Constructive suggestions?

The tests are not worthless you have to start someplace after all Ford started out with a modet T's not a Lincoln Continental rite?

So.... why is there an issue with him making money?
Unless a product is donated it takes money to buy rite?
It also takes money to develope test procedures this is where our Constructive suggestion enter rite?

As a reputation develops in part with "The Worlds" Constructive suggestions more makers will be willing to donate their product rite?

However there will still be makers/distributers that won't and "THE WORLD" will still have interest in the testing of their products rite?

So how do you suppose these products should be aquired?
Are you willing to spend "Your" money and "donate" knives to be tested?
Possibly but most of "The World" will not be willing.

Why don't you call up Busse and ask them to send you several of thier knives for "Testing" . I think the reply will be along the lines of who are you and why should we send you hundreds of dollars of knives for "Testing" you want to test them buy them.

I don't argue that the tests are a bit rough however so was the model T buy todays standards rite?

So let me start the Constructive Suggestion process, these are in no particular order

A tidier test area
More organized testing procedure
Measuring equipment to show lateral and vertical stresses during flexing and piercing.
Subzero shock tests (camp and survival type knives)
Publishing test data in table format comparing different knives.
More comentary while tapeing the tests.

These are just a few but as I said the process has to start somewhere.

noss4 has taken the initiative and I think it's up to us in part as a community to be supportive and provide feedback in the form of Constructive Suggestions.

In the end whether or not anything comes of this is up to noss4 however there is potential here to help us as a community and to provide feed back to the knife making community.


Bors

 

[Saunterer]

These tests don't prove anything, because thats not how you use a knife. No one hacks apart a folding chair, or hits their knife as hard as they can on a vice...

Granted there is no one way to use a knife. Otherwise we all would be carrying the same thing. But sometimes extra ordinary circumstances call for non standard uses of one's knife.

From http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2373476&postcount=1 (I'm not a Busse owner, basher or fanboy, but respect the users that own their products.)

A few nights ago, Jennifer and I were returning from Toledo (The Big City) down State Route 20. It was about 10:00pm and pitch dark. About 200 yds. in front of us a pretty bad accident occurred. A semi-truck full of grain had pulled out of one of the fields and was going about 10 mph when the Chrysler mini-van in front of us (going a bit over 70 mph.) slammed into the the rear of the truck. We were able to react quickly enough that we avoided becoming part of the accident and were able to offer some assistance to the injured man in the mini-van. Long story short, the front of the van was completely crushed, airbags were deployed, the guy was NOT wearing a seat belt and had crushed the steering wheel flat against the dashboard in spite of the airbags. Jennifer called 911 and stood in the middle of the highway with a large flashlight trying to stop three oncoming trucks form slamming into the now dark and impossible to see mini-van. I ran to the crushed up mini-van to check on the driver. The front quarter panel had collapsed into, and over the door making entry impossible.

INFI to the rescue!!!! I had a Satin Jack with me and was able chop and pry the crushed body panel back and then pry the van door open far enough to talk with the victim and assess the situation. By the time the paramedics arrived they had easy access to the victim. The victim was in pretty bad shape and had suffered massive internal injuries. He was ultimately life-flighted to Toledo. I have no idea whether he survived the accident or not. I tried calling the hospital but was unable to get any info on his condition due to the fact that I am not a family member.

He and his family are in our prayers,

Jerry and Jennifer

I really do not know why I posted this; I guess I do not get the whole controversy here with noss. If he wants to hack up something with some knife for someone to watch; so be it. If you do not like what he does, then leave it be.

But what he is showing us what possibly could be accomplished if one had to use their knife in an unconventional manner. I feel it's better for noss to find out for us under somewhat controlled circumstances, before I try it in an emergency circumstance.

 

[Bors]

Granted there is no one way to use a knife. Otherwise we all would be carrying the same thing. But sometimes extra ordinary circumstances call for non standard uses of one's knife.

From http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2373476&postcount=1 (I'm not a Busse owner, basher or fanboy, but respect the users that own their products.)




I really do not know why I posted this; I guess I do not get the whole controversy here with noss. If he wants to hack up something with some knife for someone to watch; so be it. If you do not like what he does, then leave it be.

But what he is showing us what possibly could be accomplished if one had to use their knife in an unconventional manner. I feel it's better for noss to find out for us under somewhat controlled circumstances, before I try it in an emergency circumstance.

Good post :thumbup:

 

[noss4]

Noss4, when is your next test going to be if I may ask? Did I understand correctly that it's the Busse?

I am doing the Bushman spear test tonight (weather permitting.)

I will do most knives on my list before this month is over and will have them posted after the first or so.

Yes I'm testing a Busse. I am on the order list. There is a 8 to 12 week wait.

 

[Rigson]

so Bors is correct that there is no need for bashing, then you bash noss4 and his site

...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=442235

Have you read this? This is why some have a problem with noss's behaviour. He came out, gun's ablazin', saying that:

Strider didn’t like it when I was going to test their knives and if it failed? See if they honored there “If you break it I’ll replace it” quote. Isn’t that what product testing is all about? Test the product then test the manufactures word. I was just attacked by probably every Strider employee that had a blade forums screen name. If some one pushes me I push back.

Which never happened.
And:

Strider can call me all the names it wants. Dishonest, Stupid, a pinhead, the list will grow. I can take it. I’m a big boy. So bring it on Strider.

Which also never happened.
Don't forget Strider's "attack" on noss:

Strider offered me a knife for testing. It was a nice jester. However I prefer to do it my way. Spending my own money. If you can’t live with that, then that’s your problem. I prefer to remain anonymous.

Why would Strider offer me a knife? (You notice) with the words detailed test report. After they just attacked me and could not break me. Strider did there best to discourage me from making the video.

They offered a knife for testing but didn't want him to test it.

This is why people comment on noss's behaviour. People could care less about his tests, but when he goes on paranoid rants (on a public forum BTW) for no good reason...what the hell do you expect?

And around and around we go....:barf:

 

[ausjulius]

this guy may just be crazy.. ....
he seems to have a penchent for destruction by the look of the videos.....

id like to send him one of our knives to destroy........
but,, id know,, the outcome is kind of obvious.......


hay buy im not innocent,, i busted a 750$ damascus hunting knife testing it

 

[noss4]

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=442235

Have you read this? This is why some have a problem with noss's behaviour. He came out, gun's ablazin', saying that:

Which never happened.
And:

Which also never happened.
Don't forget Strider's "attack" on noss:

They offered a knife for testing but didn't want him to test it.

This is why people comment on noss's behaviour. People could care less about his tests, but when he goes on paranoid rants (on a public forum BTW) for no good reason...what the hell do you expect?

And around and around we go....:barf:

This is what I posted. I stand by this statement. I tested the Strider BT Fair
and it came out on top. Strider makes a tough knife. I posted this statement in a public
forum. Whatever downfall came from this was at my own peril.

When I posted the Strider test people/Strider came out with guns blazing I fired back. I'm not going to start with Strider debate again. This issue is done.

People also sad I was out to destroy Strider. This was never the case. Strider will sell many knives because of my test.

I am very direct in my posts if people have a problem with this. Fine

In the end Strider came out on top. Way to go Strider :thumbup:

 

[hlee]

Quoted from Bors:
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"So let me start the Constructive Suggestion process, these are in no particular order

A tidier test area
More organized testing procedure
Measuring equipment to show lateral and vertical stresses during flexing and piercing.
Subzero shock tests (camp and survival type knives)
Publishing test data in table format comparing different knives.
More comentary while tapeing the tests.

These are just a few but as I said the process has to start somewhere."
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These are all good constructive suggestions, however, what you'll find is that noss4 is against pretty much all of them. His "tests" do not incorporate any of these because he wants to "test" knives without the "bias" of science. To incorporate your suggestions (and those of many others, mine as well) would be going against what noss4 wants to do.

For those that are wondering, I put tests in parentheses, not becasue of a distaste for or contempt of what noss4 does. Like I said earlier, they are his knives and his money, so he can do what he wants with them. I put tests in parentheses because what noss4 does, does not constitute tests or testing in my mind. Because they are conducted asystematically and applied differentially to each knife broken, they have little reproducibility and less comparitive value (for comparing two knives at the same task). What you can come away with is an overall sense of knife "toughness," but what I think you will find is that most knives are "tougher" than they are generally given credit for.

Noss4, keep breaking knives if it makes you happy. Everyone that enjoys watching Noss4 break knives, keep watching. Those that don't enjoy watching Noss4 break knives, don't watch. Some people find these videos entertaining, and some find them informative. As they stand, I find Noss4's videos neither entertaining, nor informative. I have given my suggestions for improving the latter, which I believe would improve the former. To each his own.

Oh, for the record, I put toughness and tougher in parentheses merely in order to distinguish overall knife toughness from toughness as it is applied to steel. I hav neither contempt nor distaste for knife "toughness."

 

[hardheart]

What you can come away with is an overall sense of knife "toughness," but what I think you will find is that most knives are "tougher" than they are generally given credit for.

I feel that is the ultimate value of the videos. Far too many knives are called tough without qualification, and others deemed not so because they are not of the right brand.

 

[noss4]

People are always going to have a problem with what I do and how I do it.

Testing
Posts
Methods
Masks
Warranties
Website

The list will grow and grow.

If some don't like it. Don't watch. If you don't like what is on TV get up and change the channel. This is very simple.

No one is being forced to watch my videos. No one is being charged money to watch my videos and no one will ever be charged to watch. If I can't bring it
to you free. I won't bring them at all.

 

[ashtxsniper]

People are always going to have a problem with what I do and how I do it.

Testing
Posts
Methods
Masks
Warranties
Website

The list will grow and grow.

If some don't like it. Don't watch. If you don't like what is on TV get up and change the channel. This is very simple.

No one is being forced to watch my videos. No one is being charged money to watch my videos and no one will ever be charged to watch. If I can't bring it
to you free. I won't bring them at all.

some will hate them some will love them. It will be the way no matter what you do since everyone has a different opinion and they all think they are right. I am glad I am not involved in this stupid arguement.

 

[bkkd]

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=442235

Have you read this? This is why some have a problem with noss's behaviour. He came out, gun's ablazin', saying that:

Which never happened.
And:

Which also never happened.
Don't forget Strider's "attack" on noss:

They offered a knife for testing but didn't want him to test it.

This is why people comment on noss's behaviour. People could care less about his tests, but when he goes on paranoid rants (on a public forum BTW) for no good reason...what the hell do you expect?

And around and around we go....:barf:

+111111111111111111 exactly................thats why i dont like it...