Knifetests.com-whats YOUR opinion

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Guyon said:
For all those who are going on and on about how Noss only "tests" large, thick knives, maybe they could explain that Mora Clipper stunt to me. :confused:
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I suspect you are misrepresenting or misreading his words to fit your views...
He mentions heavy use, military, etc and that doesn't necessarily imply thick and large. Small knife can be heavy use/work too. I don't see - I test only thick and large knives there?
But skip all that, you know his testing procedure, and he picked Moran, so you know, for your standards, the test was stupid, you can't gain any info from it. That's all to it. You don't even have to watch the video or read his conclusion.
I have not seen that test till you posted about it, but as for me, I was really impressed how much abuse that knife took.
 
I wonder how the Mora fits into the category of "heavy use work military,tactical,combat knives."
 
I have a Busse fillet knife. Since it's a Busse and since it's about the same thickness as your typical Mora, I guess it qualifies as a "heavy use work military,tactical,combat" knife. Guess I should try stabbing it into some steel barrels and break out the three-pound sledge.

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knarfeng said:
Were he to give a workout to a knife using it to perform tough work that a survival knife might really have to perform I think his ratings would be less of an issue, hockey mask or no.
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That's probably the smartest thing I've read in this thread. I have no problem with hard-use knives and using them within a reasonable range of activity. Regardless of any advertising sales hype and bluster, I doubt anyone but the most desperate nutcase is bludgeoning his knife through steel pipe with a sledge hammer. Leaving armchair Rambos and frustrated teenagers aside, I too appreciate a more common-sensical approach to reviewing a knife. I do have a problem when someone implies, with a mysterious "Sword of Doom" rating system, a generalized value based on actions that are unrepeatable at worst, questionable at best.

I'm yet to see Les Stroud hammer his knife through steel pipe. Has Ramada Inn frequenter Bear Grylls done anything like this?
 
Gator97 said:
I predict you will share the same fate with Noss, more or less ;) Given the nonexistent knife testing standards, disagreement to ABS tests...
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Yep, you are probably correct. We know that there are a least one or two trolls here that would object to it no matter what :rolleyes:

Guyon said:
I have a Busse fillet knife. Since it's a Busse and since it's about the same thickness as your typical Mora, I guess it qualifies as a "heavy use work military,tactical,combat" knife. Guess I should try stabbing it into some steel barrels and break out the three-pound sledge.
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Hey as those mature knife users say all the time in the Busse subforum, Beat on it, YEAHHHHH. If it breaks, no worries, you get a new one. No regrets, let's drink.
 
theonew said:
Hey as those mature knife users say all the time in the Busse subforum, Beat on it, YEAHHHHH. If it breaks, no worries, you get a new one. No regrets, let's drink.
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Nice mimicry. :thumbup:

But fact is that, while the Busse folks might encourage me to beat on a .270 Battle Mistress, none of them would encourage sledge-hammer bludgeoning through steel. Unless you're Bear Grylls and need to baton your way out of a collapsed Ramada hotel room, such activity is just over-the-top abuse.

No one in that subforum would encourage me to abuse my fillet knife because they have better sense. Same goes for abusing a small Mora knife.

None of this changes the fact that TGHM is "testing" more than just so-called "heavy use work military,tactical,combat knives," despite what some have suggested here.
 
I think these tests are for mere entertainment and do in fact hurt the knife community. For example, there is a known rather expensive manufacturer that had a knife break "easily" according to knifetests.com standards. A similar (knock off) stood up to more. What was never mentioned was that the fake knock off was made out of a lower carbon steel with a lower hardness. I contacted the manufacturer of the knock off and know this is a fact. The expensive maker published their hardness values.

To sum up my thoughts, you want toughness? Get a spring tempered knife. It won't hold an edge very well, but hey, you can hit it with a hardened hammer.

As for those who (because of these "tests") think things like "sucks that you paid for that expensive knife even though my chinese knock off can handle hammer blows better!" Do some real research beyond knifetests.com and you might find some useful information. The test of time has kept quality knives in the knife industry. Don't let knifetests.com tell you otherwise.
 
On another note, abuse something enough and it will break. I own a few Scrap Yard and Swamp Rat knives, but I would never subject my knives to blows from a hardened steel hammer.

A while back, someone on the Swamp Rat forum had a differentially hardened M6 break. The cause was too much beating on the spine with a pipe wrench. It created miro fractures in the steel that caused the blade to break when the owner was prying with it. This just goes to show that enough abuse will break anything.
 
dl351 said:
I think these tests are for mere entertainment and do in fact hurt the knife community. For example, there is a known rather expensive manufacturer that had a knife break "easily" according to knifetests.com standards. A similar (knock off) stood up to more. What was never mentioned was that the fake knock off was made out of a lower carbon steel with a lower hardness. I contacted the manufacturer of the knock off and know this is a fact. The expensive maker published their hardness values.

To sum up my thoughts, you want toughness? Get a spring tempered knife. It won't hold an edge very well, but hey, you can hit it with a hardened hammer.

As for those who (because of these "tests") think things like "sucks that you paid for that expensive knife even though my chinese knock off can handle hammer blows better!" Do some real research beyond knifetests.com and you might find some useful information. The test of time has kept quality knives in the knife industry. Don't let knifetests.com tell you otherwise.
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Very nicely put. :thumbup:
 
Guyon said:
For all those who are going on and on about how Noss only "tests" large, thick knives, maybe they could explain that Mora Clipper stunt to me. :confused:
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I'm surprised this didn't come up earlier. He did the Clipper because he was asked to.

cj65 said:
Hold on there Slim! Have you ever been faced with a sheet metal barrier preventing you from obtaining water in a wilderness survival scenario? I do not think so sir! Being able to stab through sheet metal to obtain water for hydration is more critical than you seem to understand.
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Oddly I can actually picture this scenario in an urban survival scenario. Punching a hole in a water heater for example. Or maybe getting fuel from a can with a rusted cap or even a locked fuel tank. Even something as simple as opening a can. Far from ideal in any case, but feasible.
 
Just to answer the original question imho...

Knifetests.com is worthless as a point of a reference for knife enthusiasts, I see it as the "Jackass" of our community used only to promote its founders and as entertainment for those who ejoy watching things get broken.

It reminds me of Lynn Thompson's videos of throwing away good beef via Chinese War Swords with less bike shorts and more Slipknot costume design.

I hope this post was effective in aping the feel of a knifetests.com knife test only in comment form. ; )

Cut it like you stole it.
 
Ramm9 said:
Super, would you ask him to do one of those Loveless battle knives.....
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Sure, but you'll need to contact him for the address to send it to. :thumbup:
 
Kiah said:
Not always. A lot are sent in by others. So ya sending that Loveless or not? :confused:;)
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Wish I could say I had it in hand to even consider sending it someplace....guess I' have to wait until I have a spare $20K-$30K laying around and see if I can get my hands on one.
 
Jerry Busse donated the FFMB for the test and IIRC replaced it under warranty.

I also recall that Jeff Randall offered to send him an RC5 as well, not sure if that ever happened.


It's interesting that two popular manufacturers on this forum don't disparage and malign these tests, yet a bunch of yappy know-it-alls who have probably never even made a single knife spout vitriol every chance they get.
 
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That happens a lot here. I mean "concerned citizens"... back in the day Ray Kirk asked C.S. to chop concrete with one of his bowies. Shiz, you should've seen the hysterics some of the forumites had when they saw the pix. Interesting part was, Ray himself, posted the same day, explaining that he asked C.S. to perform such test and his reasoning for it, and said it was ok. Nevertheless, testing purists continued "defending" him from evil C.S., even if nobody was asking for it ;)
 
theonew said:
I also recall that Jeff Randall offered to send him an RC5 as well, not sure if that ever happened.
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Some Randall's would get a lot of attention.

theonew said:
It's interesting that two popular manufacturers on this forum don't disparage and malign these tests, yet a bunch of yappy know-it-alls who have probably never even made a single knife spout vitriol every chance they get.
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It would even be interesting if manufacturers chimed in to support and recommend the the process...
 
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