Knifetests.com-whats YOUR opinion

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The Chef said:
Just to answer the original question imho...

Knifetests.com is worthless as a point of a reference for knife enthusiasts, I see it as the "Jackass" of our community used only to promote its founders and as entertainment for those who ejoy watching things get broken.

It reminds me of Lynn Thompson's videos of throwing away good beef via Chinese War Swords with less bike shorts and more Slipknot costume design.
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Very nicely put. :thumbup:
 
Guyon said:
Very nicely put. :thumbup:
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Wow, another excellent, well articulated point from Guyon :thumbup:

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Thanks! As you can tell, I really value your opinion. :thumbup:
 
Let's do some MORE *ahem* useful analysis involving post counts. Gator97 will appreciate the critical mathematics involved here.

theonenew -18 of last 25 posts - THIS THREAD
Gator97 - 23 of last 25 posts - THIS THREAD
Guyon - 10 of last 25 posts - this thread

Now who is actually engaging in the community, and who is obsessed with TGHM and this thread? :p
 
Hey if I took a leaf off the back end of my truck, ground an edge on it, and wrapped some insulation and duct tape around it, it'd probably score pretty well right? Betcha won't break those suckers with a hammer, or throwing them in a vise. The best "hard use" knife made yet?
 
Guyon said:
Let's do some MORE *ahem* useful analysis involving post counts. Gator97 will appreciate the critical mathematics involved here.
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Gator sure appreciated UR effort :)

The part you missed(obviously) is the number of your own posts

Guyon said:
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Guyon - 10 of last 25 posts - this thread
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Why so humble Guyooon? How could you forget 74 posts you made in this thread, two "evil accomplices" clearly are not enough, to match such an outspoken or outposted(?)supporter or defender of the noobs as U are :)

Guyon said:
Now who is actually engaging in the community,
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:) As our mutual friend Bross would say, statistics and averages give better picture. Whichever way you put it, you're the winner in both, this thread and BF long term in general.
However, on could also note, that bunch of posts consisting mainly of thumbs up smileys and "well said" phrases is hardly any contribution, but hey, you're doing your best to help and protect noobs...

OBTW, tell you the truth, I haven't been to knifetests.com for probably a year or so. Until I started posting here and replying to you and Co. Then I had to go there to see/read/reread stuff, to understand what exactly was irking you so bad... As far as I can tell, your efforts had opposite effect..


P.S. And don't worry, I can't match your post count anytime soon.
 
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To add: in many cases, I'm posting to/with folks I've actually met.

Make that 24 out of the last 25 now. :p
 
Iboschi said:
This thread off track now or what?
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I think somebody is not appreciative of critical mathematics! :p

Well, I guess folks can get back to the business of debating aesthetics and entertainment. It's already been conclusively shown that TGHM does very little that might be deemed scientific. So I guess it boils down to what you like to watch and the effects of that sort of material. I'm not a fan of stunt men like those guys on Jackass. Even Bear Grylls, while a dude who *has* put it on the line much more than me, rubs me the wrong way on his stunt-oriented show. So it's pretty clear where I stand in relation to the noss4 show. I prefer material that is closer to reality, and the knife community would be better off without stunts that lead to misguided impressions of quality and knives. My opinion, of course. YMMV.
 
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theonew said:
It's interesting that two popular manufacturers on this forum don't disparage and malign these tests, yet a bunch of yappy know-it-alls who have probably never even made a single knife spout vitriol every chance they get.
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It's also interesting to note that those manufacturers with knives that didn't fare so well don't disparage and malign these tests either (at least to my knowledge). I say that's because they don't care about these "tests." If a maker has an excellent reputation for good quality knives, built over the course of 30 years, why would they waste much time trying to appease a relatively small group of people that like (figuratively) throwing feces at them? It just doesn't make sense for a company to have to defend their knives from breaking due to intentional hard abuse.

People seem to like saying, "but if you need to depend on your knife in a life or death situation, it's good to know it won't break." I'll tell you what, my sister, of all people, has gone through several primitive survival skills training courses and I can guarantee that she would say no knife needs to stand up to a hardened steel hammer to help you survive. Heck, until my brother and I bought her a couple of Ranger knives for Christmas and her birthday, all she used was some cheap Frost cutlery mora.

Back to the knife makers, I don't need someone beating on knives with a hammer to help me decide if an excellent reputation of 30 years is valid.
 
dl351 said:
It's also interesting to note that those manufacturers with knives that didn't fare so well don't disparage and malign these tests either (at least to my knowledge). I say that's because they don't care about these "tests." If a maker has an excellent reputation for good quality knives, built over the course of 30 years, why would they waste much time trying to appease a relatively small group of people that like (figuratively) throwing feces at them? It just doesn't make sense for a company to have to defend their knives from breaking due to intentional hard abuse.

People seem to like saying, "but if you need to depend on your knife in a life or death situation, it's good to know it won't break." I'll tell you what, my sister, of all people, has gone through several primitive survival skills training courses and I can guarantee that she would say no knife needs to stand up to a hardened steel hammer to help you survive. Heck, until my brother and I bought her a couple of Ranger knives for Christmas and her birthday, all she used was some cheap Frost cutlery mora.

Back to the knife makers, I don't need someone beating on knives with a hammer to help me decide if an excellent reputation of 30 years is valid.
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Yeah, I asked a question about whether anyone had ever seen Les Stroud or Bear Grylls baton a knife with a steel hammer.
Some folks in this thread selectively chose to ignore that question since I don't contribute anything useful here. :p

Of course, I might ask them about the last time they posted in General in an effort to help someone new.
Or answered a question in another thread/subforum. Or welcomed someone to BFC. Or just posted a note of congratulations about a new purchase.
I know, for at least one person, it wasn't in the last 25 posts! :D

Maybe you'll have better luck, dl351. :thumbup:
 
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theonew said:
It's interesting that two popular manufacturers on this forum don't disparage and malign these tests, yet a bunch of yappy know-it-alls who have probably never even made a single knife spout vitriol every chance they get.
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Why do you refuse to accept they do it for the benefit of us all? :rolleyes:

/sarcasm
 
Guyon said:
...I don't contribute anything useful here. :p
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Sure U do. The promotion and extra attention you personally drove to knifetests.com by your posting and not letting up, was perhaps the best in last few months.

Guyon said:
Of course, I might ask them about the last time they posted in General in an effort to help someone new.
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I think somewhere there
Which was intended to help new, medium new and even older members. I did get help as well, from quiet a few members. Sadly you missed it, but not too late, you can still contribute. That data is free, shared and quite unbiased. And noobs you care about, are as usual more frequent guests there.
 
It's entertaining how dl351 in his last few posts has raised some valid, interesting points that have gone untouched by the nossites.
That tells me that they're more interested in a pissing match with certain posters than anything else. :p
 
theonew said:
I also recall that Jeff Randall offered to send him an RC5 as well, not sure if that ever happened.
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I have to say, I don't need knifetests.com information to tell me that the RC5 is built like a tank. I don't own one, but the low saber grind of 1/4" thick 1095 steel is a simple design that was made to take a beating. The same goes for Becker BK2's. They are similar in design.

The flaw I see with basing knife purchases on destruction tests is that there is far too much information in the rest of the knife community that should weigh much more heavily on the decision of purchase. This goes especially for survival situations. In past "which one knife would you bring" threads, it actually seems that 3/16" is the more highly recommended thickness compared to 1/4" thickness. Jeff Randall from RAT knives has even recommended the RC6 over the RC5 due to it's greater versatility.

It seems to come down to what's been said. Destruction tests seem more like a pissing competition. Education and knowing how to effectively use any knife will ultimately preserve your life in a survival situation, not how long you can beat on it with a steel mallet before it breaks.

As a side note, it's interesting how these threads continually pop up. If these destruction tests were truly beneficial for the knife community, I don't think they would cause for the contention that they have. I still have yet to see any knife manufacturer actually say that "yes, because of the destruction tests, we have learned a great deal to apply to future models." All I've seen are comments like, "we are pleased with how the knife performed."
 
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