Kreins on Busses

MORIMOTOM said:
mr krein, im sure tony meant no insult. prolly just been drinkin'.:)
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tony never quit drinking, he's at an AA meeting now.

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Tom Krein said:
The problem is this is a PUBLIC forum and EVERYONE can read what he posts!

All I have to go by is his post....

Tom
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granted, but i dont believe anyone would think you are sleazy for not stamping someone elses blade because tony g says so.
 
i have a great idea, put some ceramic stones between those babies and let them do the grinding :thumbup: :cool:



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Trust me, I know how to work that kind of grinder. In fact I can work many of those at one time. I guess Krein is not as good as I am at grinding:D
 
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Guess I need some practice...... thats not all bad either though!! :D

Thanks guys for lightening the mood! Sorry about getting so pissed off!:foot:

Still waiting for your enlightenment Tony!!

Tom
 
1) Knife is NOT under warranty once modified!

This is clear between the owner and the person doing the job. If the manufacturer is not going to replace the knife what makes you think the person doing the job can?

2) If and when the modified knife is sold... the new owner should be aware that it has been modified and not covered under warranty. Hopefully through the seller and through the buyer's own research and common sense in comparing a stock vs modified knife.

Any subsequents owners should be repeats of #2 If not then see #1. It is not hard to tell the difference between a stock knife vs a modified one.

Lastly....I am going to repeat myself once again....

When in doubt don't buy the knife! So what is the issue here? Is this even a problem?

Tony G said:
Ban,

I hope what I said was clear.

If some nut job breaks a knife you had worked on then when it comes back to you, you can say hey that is not my problem, or you can fix it... it would be your mark so it is your call:cool:.

see point 1) above! Nutjob would still have a broken knife.

But the nut job should be calling you not the maker of the knife. If you mark the knife and it ends up at the maker because the nut job wants the maker's warranty the maker can say "Hey nut job call Ban because we didn't work on this knife." Without your mark then the maker has to say.... "Well should I fix it anyway to protect my mark?"

see point 1) above! Nutjob would still have a broken knife.

It just doesn't seem equitable to me that the maker has to even consider that.

What is there to consider???? See point 1) Stock is stock! Modified is Modified! Do we not have eyes to tell the difference?

Does this happen a lot? I have no idea.

Probably not!
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Tom Krein said:
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Guess I need some practice...... thats not all bad either though!! :D

Thanks guys for lightening the mood! Sorry about getting so pissed off!:foot:

Still waiting for your enlightenment Tony!!

Tom
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Sorry I have been away for a while having dinner. I'll edit this to add my thoughts in a few minutes.


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When I used the word sleazy it had nothing to do with you and it never crossed my mind that you or anyone one else would take that personally. I’m perfectly capable of saying that one particular person is sleazy, if that is what I intend to say. But I wasn’t saying that. So no reader of my post should have taken it to say that any person’s name mentioned by anyone else in this thread is untrustworthy.

But what I did mean is that as a business practice that seems to run thought out the knife industry it does seem an oversight to me that the industry on a whole accepts that guys grind on knives and then a few transactions later (“down the road a bit”) no one seems to know who did the work. I find any system that does not allow for accountability less trustworthy than a system that does. And yes it may be the seller that is trying to be misleading by saying that it was shop work and of course that would have nothing to do with the guy that did the mods.

That has been my point throughout this entire thread. Simply that why not have it be a standard that when a knife is modified the person doing the mods marks the knife so down the road if problems come up the owner at that time knows who to contact; and also new buyers know what they are buying.

So for you Tom or Ban, that may actually give you a more valuable mark some day in the future. Because as knives pass around and they have well done modification on them and the knives are not having issues people will look at the marks and identify your mark with trustworthy workmanship and a guy that is willing to put his name on the line and stand behind his work five to ten years from now. Why is that different then that fact that you will stand behind the work now when the knife is not marked? Well because five years and ten transactions from now an owner will know who did the work. On the other hand if I start grinding knives and they break since I have no idea how to even start, wouldn’t it be nice for the consumer if the knife was marked so you all knew I had no idea what I was doing?

In any case I didn’t intend to call anyone sleazy and if anyone took it that way they mistook my post. And yes I could have been more careful in my wording but I made a mistake. So aren’t you glad I had my name on the post so you knew who to call on the carpet to get things cleared up? See that is why I like marks. Some day we all make mistakes and people should know who to call to get them fixed :thumbup: :cool:
 
Thanks for the excess posts of"juggles" guys. Now the wife has hidden my BATACSE and it is being held for ransom. I hope you can sleep with yourselves tonight.

That didn't sound right.

Anyway, I think Tom and Bill have been in the business long enough to be careful not to hurt the integrity of a knife. I alos think it is fair that mods done outside the shop are not under warranty any more. Not really a big deal. I have yet to hear a modded Busse knife fail.
 
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