Kukri Question

Sweet. I would dearly love to learn how to forge someday. For now welding in my shop is about as close as I get. Maybe someday. Thanks for sharing.


Sorry if I'm missing something right in front of my face. That happens more and more with age. When you say the handle on the recent kuk, which one are you referencing? That my fear on the Scourge too, but it sure is pretty. :p


That one looks very utilitarian and has great reviews. I do wish a few more of them would put the notch at the end for bloodletting purposes, but that's not a huge concern when hunting.

I'm surprised more don't put the D rings on the sheaths for chest carrying.
No I mean, Cold Steel and Busse made them :p I pound the knife into roots, trees, and limbs :D
 
Sorry I meant the Kailash Regent kuk
Nice. That's another great one. I think I like that better than their Historical.

IDK about the seller, but I liked the looks of this one at 10:24 in the video. Maybe partially because of the traditional notch:

Korean Hog: Those look pretty amazing to have been pounded into roots and trees. That says something about them.
 
Cool vid! The specific notch is called a "cho." Check out the Himalayan Imports website for lots of info.
 
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Okay, your post very much intrigues me. Again, as diverse as my background is somehow I have avoided metallurgy. That explains much of why the traditionals are such workhorses. I was kind of looking for a Kukri style though. When I google that I’m finding something different. Am I missing something?

Thanks again to everyone that has been so kind in trying to help. This is an amazing board.

My apologies, it is not a kukri but it is a large & very well regarded chopper which will serve well in many outdoor activities. The skrama has earned it's reputation as a tough multi-purpose tool. It gives you the chopping power of a kukri and the utility of a straight edge for food prep.

As for the steel, I've become nerdy in my metallurgical interests & from the wealth of knowledge here.

I was making the overall point that steel with high carbon amounts (over 1%) tend to be 'harder' & also have the downside of brittleness (which can lead to chipping if you chop wood or other hard materials often)

So, imho, d2 is not a good choice for a kukri - *unless the maker is known for doing a great job with the heat treatment & geometry for d2 heavy use tool*

The better option for a kukri/machete steel would be 80crv2 or 1075 or 5160 (or 3v if you want to spend a lot more)
 
Would he appreciate another knife!
How long as he used his "trusted" go-to bushwhacker!
Getting the right balanced and correct handle proportioned khukuri could be a factor that makes for a viable option to carry and replace the stalwart tool!
Personally I'd get to know what criteria for a replacement would be and you may be surprised that to change the khukuri used already could be a misguided gesture!
A bottle or two of his favourite tipple maybe, just saying..
If you find that a traditional khukuri would be gratefully received then please post what was presented.
 
Cool vid! The specific notch is called a "cho."
I think it's kind of cool, but while I know I'm not the first to think of this, couldn't someone make one shaped like the bottle opener on my Swiss Army Knife? :)

The better option for a kukri/machete steel would be 80crv2 or 1075 or 5160 (or 3v if you want to spend a lot more)
dirc, everything you're saying makes total sense to me. I wish I understood the steels more. I do have a pretty good knowledge of noble metals and stones. One of the analogies I often posit is toughness vs. hardness. I piece of boot leather is so tough you can beat it with a hammer and not hurt it, but you can scratch it with your fingernail. Glass is very hard. You can't scratch it with a screwdriver, but drop it and it shatters.

I really appreciate the input. It does make it very challenging to find a knife that fits all the criteria. Size is good, but metal isn't, metal is great, but handle is bad.

Two Kukris I got from Kailash Blades are rock solid. I can share some pics here if you want.
I would love to see some pics if you have the time to post them. I'll check out that link as well. Thank you.

IMHO, in terms of steel used, that Marcaida Kukri is overpriced. $330 for D2 steel is just a stretch. For that price, I’d expect 3V steel at minimum.
Sadly, from what you guys have taught me, I'm inclined to agree. I'm afraid too many big names have gotten involved and there are only so many ways you can cut the pie. If it were made out of 5160 I think it actually might be a good fit for what he primarily does as I was about to address with Steve.

Would he appreciate another knife!
How long as he used his "trusted" go-to bushwhacker!
Getting the right balanced and correct handle proportioned khukuri could be a factor that makes for a viable option to carry and replace the stalwart tool!
Personally I'd get to know what criteria for a replacement
Steve, I can't thank you enough for your perspective on that. He stopped by last night to return my trailer. The little boy next door immediately saw him, donned his mother issued mask and ran out to show my buddy that he'd been practicing. Rick had been teaching him out to throw a hand-ax and gave him an old roofing ax to use for practicing.

I started thinking about it more after reading your post. The knife he carries is broken, bent, chipped and doesn't hold an edge well. He has remarked about it a lot. I do feel like he would really appreciate a nice one, but the more I think about it the more I'm now understanding why many of them are wrong. While some of those large ones are awesome, they're not something you would easily carry around regularly. Also, as was pointed out earlier, while the HIs are traditional, those sheaths really aren't practical. The CS is really nice, but even that is perhaps a bit large. It's so hard to tell online. I was very disappointed to learn that the CS is made in China. I'm sure it's a great knife, but I remember what crap our medic scissors where that came from there as opposed to the ones made in W. Germany.

He still teaches hand to hand and edged weapons to LEOs and so much of what he likes about a knife comes back to things like their usefulness as a fighting knife. I can't tell you the number of times I've seen him draw and throw at something just because he enjoys it. So yes, balance, size, weight, ease of carry. In many ways the Marcadia knife checks the boxes, but price and substandard steel make it questionable.

The sheaths on the Kailash seem solid. The Scrouge is freaking beautiful. I'd love to have it on the mantle, but as was pointed out above the handle may not be a good fit pardon the pun and it's likely too big for an easy carry. The Regent that was suggested is also very nice, but based on Steve's observations it too may be a bit large. It's so hard to saw without holding one. I wish we had a good knife shop nearby. We did years ago, but the internet changed a lot of that.

Perhaps I need to special order the knife on Doug's site, without anyone's name on it, made in 5160, with one of those Kydex sheaths from Kailash. :p

BTW, thanks for all the great input. Just typing out my responses really helps put things into prespective.
 
Or you could get a custom from Kailash, or order a smaller kuk from HI and have a sheath made for it. Maybe look at his current Kik more closely and check the size and weight and design, then look for something similar
 
I just wanted to inject a couple of points into this fine discussion.

On steel:
We should consider that the khukri is primarily an impact tool. It excells as a chopper and fills in as both a knife and hatchet. That feature puts additional stress on the edge, which is why you would ideally prefer a Tough steel that can handle shock. The 5160 spring steel is well made for that; think about the battering a typical vehicular springs receives over its operating life. A steel like D2 can take a finer edge but is more likely to chip out under use. It also helps that the lower carbon content reduces the tendency to rust.

Regarding sheaths:
The traditional Khukuri offers real advantages in use. The cross sectional design of the knife helps to reduce binding when chopping hard woods. It is not just about the shape in profile. A lot of things that look like a kukri, have completely flat sides that can really increase the contact and friction when doing work. Making them much less efficient.

The traditional sheath for these knives was seen as disposable. A knife would be expected to wear several sheath (and perhaps a handle or two) during its productive life. In an extreme the user could cut through a traditional sheath and draw his knife. This is why one should always take extra care when sheathing or unsheathing a khukri. Generally you pay the knife on its spine and carefully insert or extract the knife; while paying attention to never let your off hand wrap around the sheath. Doing this improperly can lead to severe hand laceration.

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Has anyone considered the Zakra by Zombie Tools.Also 5160,1/4" thick,comes with kydex,made in the USA and all for $300. I've been checking out reviews on youtube and they're all very favorable.
 
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I just wanted to inject a couple of points into this fine discussion.
All very good points. From the little I understand, the 5160 steel does seem to be the gold standard, and I'm not sure why so many seem to deviate from it. Normally I would say production costs, but it seems some of these alternatives are more expensive.

hey look what I came across - knifecenter is a supporting member so I can post this link, check the reviews
https://www.knifecenter.com/item/CN...blade-desert-tan-micarta-handles-kydex-sheath

Wow! Looks like it can be found in brown and green. Black would have been nice, but that brown sheath would be just fine with that walnut.

So 1075 steel? What are the thoughts on that? How does it compare to 1053?

Made in El Salvador? Is that a concern?

BTW, "...knifecenter is a supporting member so I can post this link..." I apologize if I violated a board rule when I posted that link earlier to the knife on Doug's site. No disrespect was intended.
 
Those Zombie Tools are well-reviewed but maybe bigger than he's looking for

As for steel, I wouldn't sweat the difference in basic hi-carbon steels for this purpose. The heat treat is more important and Condor has a good rep - ditto for being made in an Salvador, where they make a whole lot of machetes as serious working tools.

This kabar is smaller and lighter though not as suave-looking
https://www.knifecenter.com/item/KA...-blade-black-kraton-g-handle-polyester-sheath
 
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Has anyone considered the Zakra by Zombie Tools.Also 5160,1/4" thick,comes with kydex,made in the USA and all for $300. I've been checking out reviews on youtube and they're all very favorable.

I couldn't find a Zakra, but did you mean the Vakra? If so that blade seriously has character. It may be a bit large for day to day carrying, but I'd use it for a zombie attack. :)
 
1075 is excellent for these tools, esp. if they're from a good mill... but much depends on the heat treat & cleanliness of the steel batch (low % phosphorous and sulfur - both of which hurt steel in many ways)

I prefer 80crv2 over 1075, and even over 5160. Try something made from it : )

let us know how everything works out
 
IMHO, in terms of steel used, that Marcaida Kukri is overpriced. $330 for D2 steel is just a stretch. For that price, I’d expect 3V steel at minimum.
I certainly agree !

It's probably a good one ,but you are paying a premium for the celebrity names attached ,IMO .
 
I prefer 80crv2 over 1075, and even over 5160. Try something made from it : )
Something new to learn. I feel like I'm back in school. Coriolis effect was easier than metallurgy. :D

fishface5 fishface5 : That is a really nice knife, and not a bad idea either. Not sure if you saw this one, but over on Condor Tools, I think this is the same knife you found, but with a walnut handle:
https://www.knifecenter.com/item/CN...ade-walnut-wood-handles-welted-leather-sheath

Unfortunately it doesn't have the Kydex sheath, but maybe I could purchase one.

I didn't know if it was okay to post back to the manufacturer's site, but on condortk.com if you search 61718 you get a really nice pic of how good that walnut looks. If you search 61716 you'll see both the green and desert tan of the one you found. I'm pretty sure it's the same knife.
 
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