Kukri Question

I have used the "Plus" version of this in O-1 steel in the woods . Never had a problem chopping hardwood . It's a very good fighting design also , IMO .:cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I have seen a video where the handle loosened after some somewhat sloppy baton use . I don't use that method , so can't say . :confused:

 
I have used the "Plus" version of this in O-1 steel in the woods .
I absolutely love that video. Korean Hog mentioned that one and I took a hard look at it. I wasn't crazy about it being made in Mexico, but it's clearly a serious choice. Unfortunately it seems to show discontinued most every place I looked. Odd that they would kill it.
 
I think your first step should be to say to your friend that you've been looking at kuks and ask what manufacturer and model he has, and what he likes about it and doesn't. Then you will have information about the specs of what he has now and what he would want different. Sneaky.
 
There you go bud. At the end of the day though, this is just my two cents. Final decision’s still yours. I can voich for Kailash’s quality, and others seem to vouch for Himalayan Import’s as well. You probably couldn’t go wrong with either. Happy hunting. :)

Do tell us about it if you pick up a khuk! We knife nuts are always happy about new acquisitions!
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I think your first step should be to say to your friend that you've been looking at kuks and ask what manufacturer and model he has, and what he likes about it and doesn't. Then you will have information about the specs of what he has now and what he would want different. Sneaky.

More to the point; does his friend have a thing specifically for khukuries or does he simply like a chopping knife that is capable of processing wood. If it is the latter, there are many more choices out there. A long time favorite for me are the knives made by Bill Siegle. Once again, he favors 5160, and specializes in big camp knives, and I particularly like his comfortable handles, useful blade grinds, heavy and secure ‘kydex sheaths, differential heat treatment, and no nonsense build and pricing. They are not fancy, but they are intended for serious work. He also has a forum here, so it’s easy to contact him.

This is one of his Hoodlum knives.
https://images.app.goo.gl/YHz6MPdw26kU99oG7

And one of his parangs:

https://images.app.goo.gl/yibLdXzqYPvQo3CaA

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Mmm love that parang! But I think his buddy likes a smaller kuk because the design lends itself to fighting, whereas Seigle designs more for utility. He does good knives though, I've owned and used a couple!
 
Has anyone considered the Zakra by Zombie Tools.Also 5160,1/4" thick,comes with kydex,made in the USA and all for $300. I've been checking out reviews on youtube and they're all very favorable.
Honestly looking into this one as well. Skallagrim, a reviewer I trust, gives them favorable comments. For a hard-use application knife, I would prefer 5160 over D2. Their Bowie knife, The Felon, looks promising.
 
Hey there guys!

Cheers to D DangerZone98 for the tag, I always seem to miss khukuri threads when they come up. Great to see so many people suggesting to take a look at us even as we're quite a young company.
J JimRockford Sorry to hear you've been having issues with the website! It's partway though an update right now so things are a little mixed up. Once this COVID business dies down and I'm caught up on work I'll get it all back to normal. You've received a great response here! A lot of great discussion about suitable steels and the practicalities of different sheath styles and blade lengths.

Traditional daps are beautiful things but they're far from foolproof. The specific motion that's required to return one into a sheath makes them a bit tricky and many sheaths get cut straight through- sometimes as soon as they're out of the box or sometimes after a few years. If fingers are in the way at this point it can be a very bad time. Furthermore they're very susceptible to the elements, something our other Stacked Leather/Kydex sheaths really improve on. They've both very rugged, have much better retention, are slimmer and also have a heap of great carry options. The possibility for a dangler and leg tie combo in particular is great for large knives when you're picking through the scrub. Our handmade micarta handles also introduce a level of grip and durability that isn't seen on other nepali blades and could be super useful for how rough your friend is on his knives and making sure he gets something that stands the test of time.

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As for steel and perhaps in general, we sit somewhere between the high end MK ULTRA and traditional nepali blades. I know you said you're not big into metallurgy but we have to talk about it haha!
Our steel is reclaimed 5160 but we use a modern heat treat that isn't seen elsewhere in Nepal. We triple normalise our blades prior to quench. This relieves stresses from forging and from the steel's previous life under a truck. It also helps make the crystal grain smaller which allows for a much tougher knife.
A traditional Nepalese quench involves pouring water onto the edge from a teapot and is pretty cool. This allows the smith to "paint" the hardness onto the steel and leave a soft durable spine, however it leaves a lot to be desired. The blade is rarely of uniform hardness along the edge and you usually get a soft tip and a soft bit near the handle. It also doesn't harden through the entire blade and can leave the core of the knife soft. This isn't initially an issue but after a decade of sharpening you can potentially wear through to the soft stuff. Finally the big issue with it is that the thin stream of water doesn't have enough thermal mass and the blade just doesn't get hard enough for us. Instead of this we edge quench our blades in oil. It allows for a full, high hardness along the entire edge and through the knife which puts in a great position to temper.
Believe it or not we're the only company in Nepal that tempers their blades. With a traditional heat treat the hardness of the blade is controlled and balanced through the amount of water applied. They walk the line between a knife that's a bit soft and that rolls or a knife that's a bit hard and it chips. If they manage it then the knife can be a great hard working blade. However, we professionally temper in a temperature controlled kiln which allows us to have a knife that's both hard and tough. It's much less likely to roll or chip making for an edge that's way more stable and awesome for chopping! Our durability is improved so much that we actually grind our knives thinner for less cutting resistance and better performance. Even with a thinner grind our knives have the same, if not better durability than blades we made while working for other manufacturers.


I'd echo the sentiments of fishface5 fishface5 and co that if you're looking to a find a replacement for his much loved workhorse you should do a bit of research on the length of blade he's using and what kind of tasks he's using it for. Once you've got that figured out let me know and I'm absolutely certain we can fit him up a with a khukuri that'll fit him perfectly.

Based on the impression I've gotten so far though I'd say an 11.5" historical service issue would be bang on the money. It's as authentic as these khukuris come and has a lot of pedigree both in the hands of gurkhas as a fighter and in the hands of enthusiasts as field knives. Relatively compact, great value and really, really versatile. Decent point, not too big for carving and fine work, still big enough to chop very well and handle a bit of brush clearing. Time tested and also has the fighting knife connection which could be a big help. Here's a pic from a recent customer. This has been getting a workout in the south Island of NZ and he's extremely happy with it. Some other knives I'd suggest are our angkholas, the ek chirra in particular. They're equally hard working but a tad more powerful, ornate and can come with full tang as an option.

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However I would also say that trying to replace this knife isn't necessary for you to give him an awesome gift that he'll appreciate and use. Maybe looking into something he doesn't have could open up a different sector of use for him. For example if you did go to a larger blade potentially you could push into something that can handle machete style brush clearing, dish out a lot of chopping power while also being a formidable weapon. This kind of "survival sword" type of thing is actually really versatile and can be awesome on a rural property, if you're way out in the backwoods or as a big bugout blade for something slightly to very apocalyptic. Something traditional that's along these lines would be a mutiny. This knife is both loved by our fans who are martial artists as well as a few who are forestry workers and use it for trail clearing.

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The scourge is a pretty awesome knife but I can understand your concern about the comfort of the handle. Unfortunately this knife has been imitated poorly so many times that it's developed a bit of a reputation for not fitting everyone's hands well. While there's of course hands too big or too small, our version is quite refined and works really well for people with palms sized between 3.5"-4.25". It's hard to know for sure without picking something up and that's somethign that really sucks about trying to sell knives to people on the other side of the world. The scourge family doesn't quite have the blade length to handle machete work but they make up for it by being very powerful and efficient choppers. The scourge anniversary in particular is outchops its weight like you wouldn't believe. One other thing- all our knives in the scourge family do feature a cho that works as a bottle opener. I saw it being asked about before and it is a dumb, but very fun feature haha

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The final thing that really needs discussing is custom stuff.
We do so many customs nowadays and being able to tailor a khukuri for your friend sounds like it could be a great project. We could so something simple like adding a guard or some more fightery elements to some of these traditional blades. We could also start from scratch and build something more modern up. This is a custom camp fighter that uses a shortened version of our mutiny, plus a sharpened rear fin then matches it with a streamlined modified scourge handle with micarta. Maybe something like this but a bit smaller and more carryable. If you DM me some info about the kind of charity work your friend has been doing potentially we can also waive any custom fees on this one. Would love to help out someone who's being a solid dude and helping out his community.

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Anyway that was a very long post but I had a lot of info to get across!
If you've got any other questions or are looking for some guidance feel free to hit me up.
Take care,
Andrew and the team at Kailash.
 
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Hey there guys!

Cheers to D DangerZone98 for the tag, I always seem to miss khukuri threads when they come up. Great to see so many people suggesting to take a look at us even as we're quite a young company.
J JimRockford Sorry to hear you've been having issues with the website! It's partway though an update right now so things are a little mixed up. Once this COVID business dies down and I'm caught up on work I'll get it all back to normal. You've received a great response here! A lot of great discussion about suitable steels and the practicalities of different sheath styles and blade lengths.

Traditional daps are beautiful things but they're far from foolproof. The specific motion that's required to return one into a sheath makes them a bit tricky and many sheaths get cut straight through- sometimes as soon as they're out of the box or sometimes after a few years. If fingers are in the way at this point it can be a very bad time. Furthermore they're very susceptible to the elements, something our other Stacked Leather/Kydex sheaths really improve on. They've both very rugged, have much better retention, are slimmer and also have a heap of great carry options. The possibility for a dangler and leg tie combo in particular is great for large knives when you're picking through the scrub. Our handmade micarta handles also introduce a level of grip and durability that isn't seen on other nepali blades and could be super useful for how rough your friend is on his knives and making sure he gets something that stands the test of time.

full


As for steel and perhaps in general, we sit somewhere between the high end MK ULTRA and traditional nepali blades. I know you said you're not big into metallurgy but we have to talk about it haha!
Our steel is reclaimed 5160 but we use a modern heat treat that isn't seen elsewhere in Nepal. We triple normalise our blades prior to quench. This relieves stresses from forging and from the steel's previous life under a truck. It also helps make the crystal grain smaller which allows for a much tougher knife.
A traditional Nepalese quench involves pouring water onto the edge from a teapot and is pretty cool. This allows the smith to "paint" the hardness onto the steel and leave a soft durable spine, however it leaves a lot to be desired. The blade is rarely of uniform hardness along the edge and you usually get a soft tip and a soft bit near the handle. It also doesn't harden through the entire blade and can leave the core of the knife soft. This isn't initially an issue but after a decade of sharpening you can potentially wear through to the soft stuff. Finally the big issue with it is that the thin stream of water doesn't have enough thermal mass and the blade just doesn't get hard enough for us. Instead of this we edge quench our blades in oil. It allows for a full, high hardness along the entire edge and through the knife which puts in a great position to temper.
Believe it or not we're the only company in Nepal that tempers their blades. With a traditional heat treat the hardness of the blade is controlled and balanced through the amount of water applied. They walk the line between a knife that's a bit soft and that rolls or a knife that's a bit hard and it chips. If they manage it then the knife can be a great hard working blade. However, we professionally temper in a temperature controlled kiln which allows us to have a knife that's both hard and tough. It's much less likely to roll or chip making for an edge that's way more stable and awesome for chopping! Our durability is improved so much that we actually grind our knives thinner for less cutting resistance and better performance. Even with a thinner grind our knives have the same, if not better durability than blades we made while working for other manufacturers.


I'd echo the sentiments of fishface5 fishface5 and co that if you're looking to a find a replacement for his much loved workhorse you should do a bit of research on the length of blade he's using and what kind of tasks he's using it for. Once you've got that figured out let me know and I'm absolutely certain we can fit him up a with a khukuri that'll fit him perfectly.

Based on the impression I've gotten so far though I'd say an 11.5" historical service issue would be bang on the money. It's as authentic as these khukuris come and has a lot of pedigree both in the hands of gurkhas as a fighter and in the hands of enthusiasts as field knives. Relatively compact, great value and really, really versatile. Decent point, not too big for carving and fine work, still big enough to chop very well and handle a bit of brush clearing. Time tested and also has the fighting knife connection which could be a big help. Here's a pic from a recent customer. This has been getting a workout in the south Island of NZ and he's extremely happy with it. Some other knives I'd suggest are our angkholas, the ek chirra in particular. They're equally hard working but a tad more powerful, ornate and can come with full tang as an option.

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However I would also say that trying to replace this knife isn't necessary for you to give him an awesome gift that he'll appreciate and use. Maybe looking into something he doesn't have could open up a different sector of use for him. For example if you did go to a larger blade potentially you could push into something that can handle machete style brush clearing, dish out a lot of chopping power while also being a formidable weapon. This kind of "survival sword" type of thing is actually really versatile and can be awesome on a rural property, if you're way out in the backwoods or as a big bugout blade for something slightly to very apocalyptic. Something traditional that's along these lines would be a mutiny. This knife is both loved by our fans who are martial artists as well as a few who are forestry workers and use it for trail clearing.

full


The scourge is a pretty awesome knife but I can understand your concern about the comfort of the handle. Unfortunately this knife has been imitated poorly so many times that it's developed a bit of a reputation for not fitting everyone's hands well. While there's of course hands too big or too small, our version is quite refined and works really well for people with palms sized between 3.5"-4.25". It's hard to know for sure without picking something up and that's somethign that really sucks about trying to sell knives to people on the other side of the world. The scourge family doesn't quite have the blade length to handle machete work but they make up for it by being very powerful and efficient choppers. The scourge anniversary in particular is outchops its weight like you wouldn't believe. One other thing- all our knives in the scourge family do feature a cho that works as a bottle opener. I saw it being asked about before and it is a dumb, but very fun feature haha

full


The final thing that really needs discussing is custom stuff.
We do so many customs nowadays and being able to tailor a khukuri for your friend sounds like it could be a great project. We could so something simple like adding a guard or some more fightery elements to some of these traditional blades. We could also start from scratch and build something more modern up. This is a custom camp fighter that uses a shortened version of our mutiny, plus a sharpened rear fin then matches it with a streamlined modified scourge handle with micarta. Maybe something like this but a bit smaller and more carryable. If you DM me some info about the kind of charity work your friend has been doing potentially we can also waive any custom fees on this one. Would love to help out someone who's being a solid dude and helping out his community.

full


Anyway that was a very long post but I had a lot of info to get across!
If you've got any other questions or are looking for some guidance feel free to hit me up.
Take care,
Andrew and the team at Kailash.
An informative post. Thanks for sharing, Andrew. Looking forward to purchasing future works. :)
 
Wow, so much great information.

fishface5 fishface5 , I did think more about what you suggested. We talked for a while this morning while building a wheelchair ramp for a guy down the street. At this point I probably know more about these knives than he does; well, except how to use them. :D He is very well versed in defensive tactics and edged weapon combat, but don't know much about the origins or steel content. The one he has now is a brand-x type and is beat up. It's about the size of that one on Doug's site which leads me t believe that the Desert Condor you found might be a good replacement. In fact I think I might just grab an extra one for myself. With that said, however, I think Andrew's comment is well founded as well. Perhaps not only a replacement, but a second knife might open up new doors. I really like the modern sheaths, and the Kailash knives. I'd love to own one of those myself, and plan to do so. ;)

Kailash Blades Kailash Blades ; Andrew, thank you so much for all your insight and time. First let me clear up the point that it's not that I'm not in to metallurgy. I'd love to know all there is to know about it. It's just an area where sadly, I'm very weak. Your post was very much appreciated, and the comments about the heat treatment were much appreciated.

This kind of "survival sword" type of thing is actually really versatile and can be awesome on a rural property, if you're way out in the backwoods or as a big bugout blade for something slightly to very apocalyptic.
:D I love that quote, and I know he would too. That ek chirra is a beast, and the mutiny certainly looks fitting for defending a castle. Maybe I just need one of everything. :p

You mentioned that the ek chirra comes with a full tang as an option. I'm a bit surprised that all these knives don't come with a full tang. Wouldn't that be necessary for strength?

Thanks so much again for weighing in on this. At the very least I plan on ordering one for myself if not a second knife for Rick as well.

BTW, I noticed the COVID-19 notice on your site. How far out is delivery time right now?
 
McCurdy (search "mccurdy kukri" on the Bay). His current version sports g10 scales and comes with a kydex sheath.

I'll also cast another vote for the BK21 - I wasn't thrilled with it at first; but it's grown on me quite a bit, and I find myself grabbing it more and more often when I need that sort of tool.
 
Something to think about regarding handles on traditional Kukris - that ridge that runs the circumference in the middle of the handle. My 1st traditional Kukri was from HI. Overall it was very well made, but that ridge was a bad hotspot for my L/XL hand. If I tried to position my hand so it was between my fingers, my grip was off. I ended up giving it to my younger brother who has a smaller hand & it works out ok for him.

My current Kukri is from Kailash Blades with a stacked leather handle - much better for me.
 
Something to think about regarding handles on traditional Kukris - that ridge that runs the circumference in the middle of the handle. My 1st traditional Kukri was from HI. Overall it was very well made, but that ridge was a bad hotspot for my L/XL hand. If I tried to position my hand so it was between my fingers, my grip was off. I ended up giving it to my younger brother who has a smaller hand & it works out ok for him.

My current Kukri is from Kailash Blades with a stacked leather handle - much better for me.

That has been a big thing on my mind. It was one of the things I liked about the first knife I asked about as it didn't have that. You just saved me from making an error when I order. I didn't realize that the "stacked leather" option would resolve that issue. Thank you for that. :)
 
I would recommend the Cold Steel Gurkha Kukri. I could not imagine anyone not appreciating this kukri as a gift. Since he already has a traditional kukri he should appreciate this workhorse of a blade.

The Gurkha kukri has many desirable qualities. It is a very well balanced kukri, similar in build to the MKII of the early 1900’s. It is very comfortable and intuitive in hand and is one of the easiest kukri to get to know. It has a comfortable handle and one of the best stock sheaths you will find, with many different carry options and of a durable outdoors material. The steel is great (mine is SK5) and uniform from blade to blade. The thin MKII like blade, edge, and bevel are really done right and along with the length and balance this kukri is really a workhorse. The thin properly tapered blade also works well as a knife, something the large overbuilt models currently infesting the market have trouble with.

Mine has been in regular use for a decade and is rarely far from my side. I also have many fantastic traditional kukri that I treasure, and some also get worked hard. I don’t compare them as many on the forums do, I just appreciate them all for what they are. That being said, I would recommend the Gurkha Kukri without hesitation for people that actually take their kukri out and use it. You won’t be disappointed.
 
I would recommend the Cold Steel Gurkha Kukri.
I really liked that one, but it seems to be discontinued and out of stock everywhere. I think I found one guy offering one NIB for $999.00.

Everyone seems to have nothing, but good things to say about it which really makes me wonder why it would be discontinued.
 
I have two HI Khukries currently.

I have another unknown manufacturer.

I have a Cold Steel magnum kukri machete.

I used to own a Busse KZII khukri.

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I eventually hand shaped the handle to fit my hand better.

The HI Khukri are great. One is 5160, the other is an old file so not sure on steel or isikelu either 1095 or W1.



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I would not hesitate to buy from Kailash Khukri. I've seen a lot of reviews, and everyone has nothing but praise in them.

The oil quench and temper is a benefit, I believe. They have a lot of designs that are just fantastic. They also seem to appreciate distal taper, which makes blades lively and faster.

My HI seem hard on the belly, softer on the tip and further back on the edge. They cut well!
 
I certainly agree !

It's probably a good one ,but you are paying a premium for the celebrity names attached ,IMO .
Which is too bad, since I’m also a fan of Marcaida. Better to pay the premium for proven performance, like a Carothers, than a celebrity name. This is why it’s crucial to do one’s homework before pulling the trigger on a purchase lol.
 
You really gotta spend a few minutes on https://kailashblades.com and check out the whole website. I learned a lot.

The company's mission, their blades, their prices... all seem pretty damn impressive. So I came back to mention this to you and see that Kailash Blades posted here already. Awesome.

As much as I love Cold Steel, I think your friend would REALLY appreciate an authentic traditional kukhri. I would.

Great thread. Great topic. Let us know what you decide on!
 
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