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Last Jedi? How many Star Wars purists are there here? (aside from me)

Discussion in 'Community Center' started by knarfeng, Dec 23, 2017.

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  1. knarfeng

    knarfeng senex morosus moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Jul 30, 2006
    Went to see Last Jedi.
    Good movie. As an action movie, I enjoyed it. Beautiful cinematography. Great acting. Fantastic CGI. Definitely worth seeing.

    Poor Star Wars movie. As a Star Wars movie, the director did something nasty with the dog.

    IMO, the director took his lack of hubris from Disney, "We own it. We can do whatever we want with it." In Sci Fi, you create a universe with a set of realities. Then you say, if these were so, then how would people behave. And off you go from there. Rian Johson overrode the characters and the underlying realities of the Star Wars universe to make what he wanted to make.

    So the force did things it has never done before. Johnson ignored the teaching he had Luke Skywalker give Rey in his own movie. It isn't magic. It's a life force. Move stones by someone with only a little training? a strain, but maybe. Astral projection? Phhtt. Wrong movie. That's Doctor Strange's gig.

    And he twisted his characters out of their classic roles. Even Mark Hamill thought it was bogus. Won't say what because of the risk of a spoiler.

    A good Star Wars movie is worth seeing a few times. This one? Nah. I saw it once. It was fun. Next.
     
  2. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    Define Purist, I saw the first one in 77 when I was 12 in the theater and no buzz. Then saw the next two the same. I was a Starlog reading Heinlien loving proto-nerd.

    Followed up with the prequels and enjoyed them too.

    Saw TFA and then this and like them too. The director did nothing with the mythology that hasn't been done or foreshadowed before. I feel it was good Star Wars movie and sets up #9 very well. And more importantly my kids who're Star Wars fans without the same adult baggage both liked it. I just feel glad I can still turn on my inner twelve year old as needed.

    Now what kind of threw the kids was Rogue One. Having all the cast get fried was not a typical Star Wars ending.
     
  3. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    I'll say more later but would have to flag with massive spoiler alerts.
     
  4. SVTFreak

    SVTFreak Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 8, 2011
    I’m with you. The newfound force abilities aren’t cool. Even Vader could only sense Luke before, and they had more connection than the spoiled brat and Rey.

    But I see what’s happening. Just like the movie says, they are moving on. Old characters are dying (or being killed off) and replaced by new hero’s for today’s generation. Was it a good movie? Absolutely. Was it a good Star Wars movie? Maybe. Was a good movie for my childhood memories and deep seeded emotions? Absolutely not. Emotionally, I am wrecked over the events of this one.

    Danke, rogue one had to end like that as ANH had already established that the plans where gained at a very large cost of good people.
     
  5. SVTFreak

    SVTFreak Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 8, 2011
    I will add that I partially ruined it for myself. Reading fan theories and trying to figure out ahead of time set myself up expecting something that was never promised. For IX, I will not be reading any fan theories before hand so that I am not expecting anything when the time comes. Until then, Solo is next.... and we all know, at least basically, how it will end. Just like rogue one.
     
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  6. eisman

    eisman Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 9, 2009
    I saw the first one opening night in Hollywood. Wish I still had the promotion packet they gave us.

    Lost interest in the rest a long time ago...
     
  7. Mo2

    Mo2

    Apr 8, 2016
    Didn't think it was a bad movie but didn't particularly like it though. I liked the previous ones better. I think it was an issue with the director for me.

    It also felt like they did some things that didn't even need to be done. Like when they went to the casino for absolutely no reason at all.
     
  8. benchwarmer380

    benchwarmer380 Valyrian Member Platinum Member

    Sep 17, 2012
    The reviews and opinions seem very mixed so far but I am looking forward to seeing it. Will probably be going this week sometime, so thank you to everyone for commenting without spoilers. Appreciate the etiquette.

    I really liked Rogue One. It felt like a good change of pace from the trilogies to tell a stand a lone story that is still integral to the universe.
     
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  9. gazz98

    gazz98 Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 3, 2008
    I haven't seen the new film. I still haven't seen Rogue One despite it being on Netflix. I've sat down to watch it 3 times and haven't lasted more then 10 minutes at each sitting. It just doesn't hold my interest.

    Original trilogy: Awesome! will never be duplicated!
    2nd trilogy: Blah
    Force Awakens: Meh

    I've never read any of the books. The Star Wars franchise died to me after waiting 16 years for the 2nd trilogy to be released and then they released 3 bad movies starting in '99.

    Purist? I consider myself a purist in that I grew up with the original trilogy (born in '70) and I love it. I had a ton of Star Wars toys and shirts as a kid. I spent a few Halloweens as a Jedi too.
     
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  10. not2sharp

    not2sharp Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 1999
    I saw it, and thought it was an odd retelling of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of The Jedi as told by someone suffering under the effects of hallucinogenic drugs. Nor did I care for any of the large muddle of paper flat characters. CGI aside, it was a poor movie. The story was weak and almost entirely stolen from the previous films.

    I wish Hollywood would use some of their massive budget to hire a few decent writers. The Star Wars Franchise ended for me with the original 6 films; the seconds set at least attempted to add some back story. But the latest set is nothing more than a long infomercial to help sell Star Wars themed toys and games. You are basically being asked to pay for a long infomercial for Star Wars junk. They add nothing to the original story.

    It is long past time to put this franchise to rest. The original concept and execution was brilliant. The latest is a cringe worthy rehash - as if the "writers" had played the telephone game with the original scripts for 40 years.

    n2s
     
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  11. Mo2

    Mo2

    Apr 8, 2016
    Tbo I think they are going to kill off all the characters so they can make all new Disney characters with a new direction for the films. But they have so much time to mess with the original stories for $$$.
     
  12. Yonose

    Yonose

    Jul 10, 2017
    Rogue One is my favorite post-Lucas film, though I hated watching no one even try to survive the Death Star destruction of Scariff(single reactor fire). I have never been able to fully enjoy the second 2 films of the second trilogy, or the cartoon Clone Wars series, after many attempts. It seems the moral that good guys are always blind to unfolding events, and bad guys are never judged(or punished) is one I cannot swallow.
     
  13. Rat Finkenstein

    Rat Finkenstein Gold Member Gold Member

    May 18, 2005
    George Lucas did more to harm the series with his mush brained special editions and prequels than Disney could/would ever do. Cutting Lucas out was the best idea so far.
     
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  14. Wanimator

    Wanimator

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    Mar 7, 2014
    They about ripped off the band aid for a lot of the fans so the can progress the series in a direction that they see fit for their motives. I'm really surprised Star Wars and Marvel haven't really been merged properly in some way by them yet.
     
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  15. Yonose

    Yonose

    Jul 10, 2017
    There are as many different kinds of purists as there are sects of any cult, I imagine. I liked the “filmed on location” parts of the first 4 films (even if jar jar should have been a puppet or a costumed actor like R2 or Chewbacca). I only started complaing when the 5th put all the action on a sound stage. It is impossible for me to criticize the original trilogy in any form, I am just too biased. The force awakens was for the children, but I will see the newest once the crowd diminishes.
     
  16. not2sharp

    not2sharp Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 1999
    [QUOTE="Wanimator, post: 17698517, member: 375369"....I'm really surprised Star Wars and Marvel haven't really been merged properly in some way by them yet.[/QUOTE]

    Spoiler alert: You are letting too much out of the bag. We know that the rebels will eventually be saved by Spider-Man and Wonder Woman, in a scene following the arm wrestling match between Chewbacca and the Hulk over a case of Coke Cola/Pepsi (whomever sponsors the scene)....:(

    n2s
     
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  17. Rat Finkenstein

    Rat Finkenstein Gold Member Gold Member

    May 18, 2005
    Yoda is a puppet again in the new film. :thumbsup:
     
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  18. Rat Finkenstein

    Rat Finkenstein Gold Member Gold Member

    May 18, 2005
    Spoiler alert: You are letting too much out of the bag. We know that the rebels will eventually be saved by Spider-Man and Wonder Woman, in a scene following the arm wrestling match between Chewbacca and the Hulk over a case of Coke Cola/Pepsi (whomever sponsors the scene)....:(

    n2s[/QUOTE]
    Wonder Woman is DC comics. :p
     
  19. Velitrius

    Velitrius Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    They also have a bunch of Star Wars rides at Disney theme parks that need advertising.

    I enjoyed watching it, but it's not a Star Wars movie to me. I liked Rogue One though.
     
  20. Wunderbar

    Wunderbar

    May 2, 2003
    The fight scene in the Supreme Leaders chambers was weird. The background was cheesey like it was from an original Star Trek backdrop. Disney sucks.
     
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