Last Jedi? How many Star Wars purists are there here? (aside from me)

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I was in the 5th grade in 1977 when Star Wars came out. It was the best movie I had ever seen up to that point in my life. By the time the muppets were inexplicably added to Return of the Jedi, I had lost all interest. I haven't seen a Star Wars movie since then. For me the muppets, particularly Yoda, ruined the whole experience.
 
Moreover, there is neither precedence nor basis for astral projection using the force. If you consider that the force is supposed to be a "a force that binds all living things together", it becomes reasonable to move things using that force or to have great physical abilities, but there is no basis for astral projection

If there were, everyone knows an astral projection can only fight another astral projection.
If he went to sleep, “dreamt “ he was at a familiar place near nephew, then physically woke up in that place—I would buy it. Mass=energy, transforming dream state into physical, ie using his dream/astral/energy body to actually travel through space. There isn’t precedent in the earlier films, but there doesn’t have to be—it just has to make sense in a metaphorical way, and have some connection with either mysticism/religion, physics, or lucasian meta-physics. To not introduce new Jedi abilities would just be boring, especially since he has spent 2 decades learning(presumably) to unlock some portion of the milennia of Jedi knowledge. A hundred movies wouldn’t be enough to show every “trick” or skill the Jedi’s would have acquired.
Luke’s (or anyone’s)mass/material form body can’t be in 2 places at once; defies logic, ancient sorcery and physics. I’m sure that is why Mark Hamill objected to the script. He was thinking “why in the hell would Luke burn up so much energy(to the point of self destruction) to create a physical replica of his body light years away when he could easily use his energy body to travel, then revert to his mass/matter body for the battle?” (This follows some teaching of ancient Hindu mysticism). A battle he is sure to have won. Kylo has no lightsaber skills whatsoever, since Rey beat him in A force awakens, hell even Finn landed a blow, which would have embarrassed his grandfather to death! Sounds like a cheap, awkward, contrived plot device to kill off Luke. Ben killed Maul, Ben beat the hell out of Anakin, Vader killed old Ben, Luke beat Vader. Luke couldn’t lose to Kylo with both hands tied together. Hence stupid plot device. But writer(s) forgot that Star Wars has always been a fantasy that made sense. At least to me it did. Until now.
 
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I think about a year ago I was recommended to watch the animated series, star wars the clone wars. The voice acting needed some help but the actual voices were just fine. Getting over that one aspect, the series was great. I never got through it all. So many seasons of it. I recommend trying to watch the first season. I kept wanting to keep watching it. So many good stories. Some really good. Some so so.

I think it's Canon but don't remember.

In any case I like the original series best then clone wars. Hated the prequels, Lucas really messed up the series at that point. Disney made it better but nothing is going to come close to the originals. They just don't have the magic. So it's best to stop comparing them.
 
I think the biggest theme Rian Johnson was trying to get across was "its time to move on guys, lets go somewhere new"
"Let the past die, kill it if you have to. "
Fandom these days gets toxic pretty easily.
 
For me its the original 3, I enjoyed Rogue One, the Clone Wars animated series is fun, and the rest has been a miserable muddle.

Prequels were embarrassing space soap operas, EVII was a compete retelling of IV to the point that I was legit offended, and VIII seemed more focused on having bunch of nerd trivia/referential gags for the Big Bang Theory type crowd than bothering to have any decent dialogue or plot (which was also heavily regurgitated from V and VI).

Its also highly ironic that Lucas stole so much of his story from others (i.e. the monomyth... when he also wasn't just stealing from truly great filmmakers like Kurosawa), but that those that have come after just keep rehashing the same tired stuff and slapping a bunch of Disney spectacle on it.

Sure, it looks great, but its completely hollow and unoriginal anymore.
The mouse (aka the Sorcerer's Apprentice) sure seems to have forgotten how to spin a magical tale...
 
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Disney ruined any interest that remained for me. The original unrestored trilogy is great, Rogue One was good. The rest should've never been made. Except the Ewok Christmas special, that was comic gold!
 
For those who love the original trilogy, IV was not high art, it was just new and unique, particularly on the technological side. The dialog was kinda simplistic crap. One could argue that it was a step backwards from the earlier movies that had essentially legitimized sci fi movies as a cinematic "art form" as opposed to Saturday morning tripe suitable for MST 3000, like 2001, Planet of the Apes, The Day The Earth Stood Still, and Forbidden Planet. Also, people bitched about Empire and Jedi was not all that great. Ewoks, anyone?
 
I enjoyed the movie...for what it was. About the only thing I could have done without was the "blue milk" scene....

I could have gone my entire life lying to myself that the original blue milk in NEW HOPE was Blueberry Quick.
 
One of the best explanations of the movie I've found: "it's a movie about letting go of the past and embracing the future for an audience that can't let go of the past and are fearful of the future"

Being a long term Star wars Fan (though not as long as lots of the people here)(started at the traditional triology) I found the last Jedi to be at least among the top three episodes, maybe even No.1
 
Tapping a bit into extended universe I suppose. My real complaint is more with the run time. Yes a long star wars movie could be a treat if done well, but certain things seemed to be a bit extraneous (argueable). I just didnt feel they used the time the right way and the movie almost ran to 3 hours? Cant wait for the blu ray release with deleted scenes.
 
I am a big Star Wars fan that first saw it when I was 7. I liked The last Jedi. However, I did not like Force Awakens because it was a direct copy of A New Hope. Loved Rogue One and its ending where everyone dies.

Allow me to geek out for a moment.

As for what the Force can and can not do, just read some of the countless stories or literature of past Sith lords / Jedi and their abilites. Some of the strongest have one or more abilities that are unique. For example, The Emperor/Darth Sidious had powers of the most powerful Force Lightning to date and ability to cloak himself from the force. And his master Darth Plagueis was able to become immortal until he was killed by his student Sidious.
In the new stories, there are fewer force sensitive indiviuals so possibly the Force manifests itself stronger than before. Rey has powers of Premonition, Luke learned Astral Protection, Snoke could telapathly link individuals across great distances.
 
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Been a fan of the franchise for decades but, these new films have gone full-on social justice warrior.

I want to be entertained, not brainwashed w/ subliminal messaging and agenda-driven, cultural marxist propaganda.

From the moment I heard Disney purchased the franchise, I knew it was doomed. :thumbsdown:
 
Jack_Burton said:
Been a fan of the franchise for decades but, these new films have gone full-on social justice warrior.

I want to be entertained, not brainwashed w/ subliminal messaging and agenda-driven, cultural marxist propaganda.

From the moment I heard Disney purchased the franchise, I knew it was doomed. :thumbsdown:
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Just made me imagine all the cgi subliminal sexually inappropriate images viewers will be discovering in the years ahead, and about to vomit in my stormtrooper helmet.
 
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$4.5Billion.
DOOMED!!!!!:p
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It is we that are doomed, not Disney. They will control our children’s minds, hearts, and soul. Remember what a child predator Walt’s brother Roy, who ran the theme park was? A company with his name on it should be sold to the devil for a dollar. If he doesn’t legally own it already.
 
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