Late model muscle....?

vw golf gti - i'm not sure if this model is available there though.
hyundai tiburon?
 
Buddiiee said:
your wrx outhandled your firebird??? you must have really beat up that firebird man.
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I'm sorry, but I have to ask again... You're kidding, right??? You are SURPRISED that a World Rally Championship - All Wheel Drive car handled as well (or better) than a RWD Firebird??


Road & Track said:
Just by looking at the performance numbers, the Subaru Impreza WRX STi can really be classified as a sports car. Its 0-60-mph acceleration time of 4.9 seconds and 13.3-sec. quarter-mile clocking rival and beat many purpose-built sports cars like the Acura NSX and Porsche 911 Carrera. In the handling department, the Subaru circles our 200-ft. skidpad pulling a respectable 0.88g of lateral acceleration. Through our 700-ft. slalom, the WRX STi turns in an impressive average speed of 68.4 mph that is quicker than the Corvette, and on pace with most Ferrari or Porsche sports cars.

On the track, the Subaru loves to be tossed around. Its all-wheel drive keeps all four tires working to find grip and inspires confidence. Its rally-inspired lightning-quick steering feel coupled to a capable suspension package lets you dance through the corners with absolute agility and poise. The 300-bhp turbocharged flat-4 powerplant is always ready and willing to serve up power when you dip your foot into the throttle.
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=1206&page_number=2

Motor Trend said:
Preliminary performance estimates from Pontiac for the Ram Air WS6 Firebirds place these cars right in there with the world's best when it comes to outright numbers. Non-Ram Air WS6 cars have already run times in the 13-second range down the 1320. In fact, a standard LS1 Trans Am ran a stellar 13.4-second blast at 107 mph for Motor Trend in its Sept. '97 issue. If the Ram Air is just a tiny bit quicker, then you can be sure that little else in the American performance car arena besides a Viper or a Corvette will touch a WS6-equipped Firebird. Other performances generated by that MT test car include 0-60 mph in 5.1 seconds, braking from 60 to 0 mph in a scant 114 feet, and hugging the skidpad with .87 g of grip.
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http://www.carcraft.com/roadtests/977/


You know, it's all right to have a preference in what you prefer but don't believe that simply wanting something to be true makes it so. :p

The LS1 is one damned respectable sports car delivering Corvette performance on a cheaper platform but to dismiss the WRX as only being able to outhandle the Firebird if the 'bird was beat up... well that's just silly.

The honest truth is that the average person with average-to-slightly-above driving skills will do MUCH better in an AWD, manual WRX than a LS1 'bird. Two really skilled drivers (a class that I doubt either of us would qualify for without significant. professional driving instruction) would find the cars hitting the finish line at roughly the same time.

Buddiee... you just live for this thread, don't you? ;)
 
rally cars are far from stock. i know the wrx's are good cars, but their centre of gravity is higher than the firebird. and the ls1 is a much better powerplant overall. and no, i dont bring up points just to argue. lol. im not that way. and actually, im not biased torwards any of those cars. theyre both nice but im a buick man thru and thru. but ive raced many many many firebirds locally, and while we usually beat them, its only in the quarter.. and in a straight line lol. i dont doubt a wrx, but i think an ls1 f body is a touch better. more power, lower to the ground, and more aerodynamic.

"You know, it's all right to have a preference in what you prefer but don't believe that simply wanting something to be true makes it so. "

to be honest, i dont have a preference lol. but i assure you my preferences dont make me think somethings true. i can tell you however, that the wrx's i raced, i beat them a whole lot harder than i do any garden variety f body. those darn things, for 500 bucks are ass kickers man. lol. but you know, its totally hard to tell comprehensively, or scientifically whos the real king. and those magazines? any true street racer knows not to trust those guys times. not only are they EXPERT drivers, but those times are on their track, in those conditions. and who knows if the factory sent them suped up test models. theres always been a lot of debate in that area. all that i can tell you, is what ive seen from my person racing experiences. but thats a forum.. people come here to tell what theyve seen, and what they think. Im glad to see that you take it all in light heartedly. the rest of the people here would have been yelling by now. and whats messed up is, most of those guys dont even race. ahh well, at least youre flexible, and friendly.
 
Buddiiee said:
rally cars are far from stock.
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Well, that was misleading on my part. I didn't mean true Rally anymore than Trans Am is true race ready. Only that the WRX and Evo are born from the WRC series.

Buddiiee said:
ahh well, at least your flexible, and friendly.
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What the hell, I've actually had fun with this thread. (Though I think you've had more fun! :D )
 
yea, to a point lol. i love cars. i work on em regularly, and race regularly. its a great adrenaline rush. to see your hard work pay off on the streets, is very rewarding.
 
Most woman would rather that you have a 10 000$ bike and 150 000$ in cash than just a ferrari. My bike is so much faster through traffic than any car could ever be because it can fit through traffic way better. It only has 110HP but you
sit up like on a dirtbike so you can see way better than a sportbike and so much better than a car. In some cases a car can corner better than a bike but it takes very expensive tires that wear very fast. There is no car that can keep up with a new sportbike that does not cost more than 80 000$.

The cheapest fast in a line car is a fox mustang with a built 460 with nitrous.
A 460 with stock heads,a big cam and a edelbrock intake is a 500HP bargain.
It would be cheapest to get the whole drivetrain from a 80's F250, 460 4or 5 speed and a 9inch rear. I had an 86 F350 that could light up the dually's.
I considered this as a drivetrain for my 65 custom 500(galaxy) but it sucks to much gas so I will use the 82 5.0 I bought from a friend.
97 ,5.0's in ford explorers are an awesome engine.

I thought vette's had solid rear axles until the early 80's? I could be wrong as I am more of a Ford guy.
 
I thought vette's had solid rear axles until the early 80's? I could be wrong as I am more of a Ford guy.[/QUOTE said:
nope take it from a Corvette guy, split axles from 63 to present unless someone modified for drag racing by putting in a solid axle.

On the other hand Chevettes were all solid axles:p
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vettes have had a live rear axle for a loong time now, IIRC was the 1st car made in the USA with independent front and rear suspension.

i highly reccomend corvettes everyone should have at least one in there lifetime imho.
 
i don't like the front end... and the V6 seems like it would limit the upward potential on power, but the way they cram it in there probably improves handling

the vast majority (myself included) would probably not miss the trade-off there

i wonder what the price tag will be on that thing...

they better do it right, this thing is like the Holy Grail of import cars
 
I know price is above $50,000 and performance wise, they are using the Porshe 911 Turbo as their benchmark. I saw Nissan state a few times that they will not release it until it beats the 911 Turbo in all performance categories...FWIW.

Awesome ride for sure but way beyond my budget.

I'll admire it...then buy another turbocharged Subaru when the time comes to get a new ride. Maybe Subaru will be bringing in the Legacy STI by then...otherwise there will be a WRX STI in my future. :D
 
I'll still take the '06 ZO6 any day. 10.8's out of the factory? and still full of luxury? I'm good with the vette. :) I'm not sure any ferraris or lamborghinis are even running that. (and i KNOW porsche isnt. though its sad to see, porsche was my favorite car company for forever. i still love an older 911 too. sexy cars)
 
I could find info on one guy that got a 10.8 in his '06 Z06. Does it count as stock, if it's on drag radials?
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Corvette-Timeslip-8071.html

Most of the times I found for stock 2006-07 Z06's were in the high 11's or low 12's. Like this time slip.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Corvette-Timeslip-10243.html


Buddiiee said:
I'll still take the '06 ZO6 any day. 10.8's out of the factory? and still full of luxury? I'm good with the vette. :) I'm not sure any ferraris or lamborghinis are even running that. (and i KNOW porsche isnt. though its sad to see, porsche was my favorite car company for forever. i still love an older 911 too. sexy cars)
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drag radials are just a better tire thats all. bone stock to me, is not even opening the hood. not even a chip, air filter, exhaust nothin. and if that guy can do 10.8's WITH a misshift, then its totally possible. all it takes is some good practice. (im not saying its not possible) but i havent seen another factory car go that fast yet. that corvette is just fast.
 
Buddiiee said:
yea, to a point lol. i love cars. i work on em regularly, and race regularly. its a great adrenaline rush. to see your hard work pay off on the streets, is very rewarding.
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I hope you're not racing on the streets. :eek:


Paul
 
But you could say that about a lot of upgrades "it's just a better _________":p . After sleeping on it, I've decided bone stock is running the car with the parts it came with from the factory.

Buddiiee said:
drag radials are just a better tire thats all. bone stock to me, is not even opening the hood. not even a chip, air filter, exhaust nothin. and if that guy can do 10.8's WITH a misshift, then its totally possible. all it takes is some good practice. (im not saying its not possible) but i havent seen another factory car go that fast yet. that corvette is just fast.
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Vettes have not had a solid Axle since 1962, the original stingray body style was the first to have independent rear suspension in 1963 in the split window and convertible bodies.

BS on the guy running a stock z 06 at 10.8. add a mishift and he would be lucky to run a 14.

PC, racing on the streets every night i go out. live with it.
 
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