Late model muscle....?

i dont get your statement. add a mishift, and hed be lucky to run a 14?? i know turbo regals, that, on the VERY end of their run, blew a piston, and still ran an 11 something.. that 10.8 Z06 run, WAS with a misshift. he shifted 300 rpm early, on i think the 2-3 shift. just think what that car would do with a pcm reprogram. or just an airfilter and gutted cats... that all aluminum 427 is no joke man. it really isnt. from a totally unbiased perspective, i think its the best thing runnin right now. the new ZO6 is simply amazing.
 
I saw the Top Gear where the compared the Z06 to a ferrari and on the track the vette won but it was a very hard car to live with as a daily driver.
My Civic SIR is not that fast but it is perfect as far as a driver goes. It has amazing handling which in myopinion is more important than HP.
One of the best deals on classic muscle is the mustang 2. Get a good coupe with the 302 and swap in a 340HP cratemotor and some latemodel mustang front brakes and you have a good looking muscle car that can actually handle.
Now that it is getting really hard to find 60's cars to build thse will be the hot ticket. I loved those cobra 2's when I was a little kid.
 
Screw the hemi and the LS5. The Pontiac 455 SD in a Trans Am is where its at. 540hp normaly aspirated pony car anyone? They made 375 from the factory, but you dont need much more than a carb swap to get it back over 500. Whats helarious is how easy it is to add super chargers to classic Trans Ams to boot.

To bad they only made a little over 3,000 of them total.


If you just want something that fairly fast, but cheap, why not go with a Z-body?

you can get yourself a Geo Storm for like $1,000 in good condition. for a grand total of $6,000 you could have the horsepower bumped up to 300, from a 1.9L! This is on a 2600lb car; Thats only 8lbs per horsepower. Its gunna be about $3,000 for a complete purpose built turbo setup, and another $2,000 or so to replace the stock internals with the forged internals youw ill need to withstand that much boost.

The best part of it is seeing the look on other peoples faces when you blow them away in a pink Geo.
 
I saw the Top Gear where the compared the Z06 to a ferrari and on the track the vette won but it was a very hard car to live with as a daily driver.
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And the Ferrari was?:confused:


Paul
 
what about the drivetrain?

i can't imagine trying to get traction in that thing... i didn't hear anything mentioned about wheels, tires, suspension or limited slip differentials

it's even harder to handle that much power in a FWD
 
"I saw the Top Gear where the compared the Z06 to a ferrari and on the track the vette won but it was a very hard car to live with as a daily driver. "

But its hard to live as a daily driver?? and you would have a problem with it huh... right. lol. OH MAN, compared to my ferarri, this car is SO uncomfortable lol. yea ok. and HOW much is the ferarri again????? OH ok. a HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper? and faster? yea, i think ill risk the HORRIBLE daily driver the corvette is lol...
 
the vette has AC and power steering, all the amenities, why in the world would it be hard to live with??

simple answer, its not.
 
apart from the 2 seater/standard sports car space issue it could ride very rough and depending on the stiffness of the clutch it could be a work-out driving in traffic
 
The guys on Top Gear are dimwitted.

I like watching the show, but only to look at the cars. I cringe every time the presenters open their mouths.
 
OH heck yea they do. good lord. "ahhh dammit.. gotta go to work tomorrow.. i wanted to stay up late tonite...shit. whats tomorrows linuep? the new 911 and what? an aston martin? dam, i hate testing the martins, they only go up to 150...i think ill call in..." lol. they love it im sure. but as far as any sports car being a pain to own.. i could SORTA see what theyre saying. cant see the front end, cramped if youre a taller person, stiff suspension, constant clutching, horrible insurance, scraping parking blocks lol etc etc. but, im sure, these ferarris and ZO6's were talkin about, are peoples weekend cruisers. im sure they drive mercedes or bmw's during the week. if not, ahh well, life is just horrible at times, with those stiff clutches in your bugatti, in hollywood traffic, on the way to that 5 star restaurant.... lol.

Me? i have no 'uncomfortableness' (for lack of better word) driving in my fully upright power everything buick. i can see alll around me, its up off the ground a bit, i dont scrape parking blocks, i have TONS of room, its fast as fu*k, looks exotic enough for me, and no shifting :) Just stab and steer. I have nooo problems whatsoever. I'm good there.
But if someone just wanted to give me a ferarri or ZO6 to drive daily, im not sure youd hear a complaint one out of me. im pretty flexible lol. Though the first complaint I had, id ebay it in a second, and use the money to buy another grand national, or maybe, that saturn yellow, 1970 GSX stage 1 455... with 510 lb/ft of torqe STOCK, Ive been eyeing lately... :) yeap. thats what id do. throw a bullet proof, shift kitted th400 in it, headers, do the rear suspension, and finish it off with some mickey thompson slicks, and go up woodward avenue in birmingham, for some ferarri hunting lol.
 
The last decent 455 SD i have seen on the block was going for 125K!!!! best guess is only a few hundred left, I saw one in an auction list that had gone for over 300K granted it only had 2000 miles on it, but that is what they are going for.

When you look back at all the killer muscle cars, they are all going for insane money, why? Because all those guys who did not have one in the 70's are now at a point in life where they believe having a 454 camaro or a stage 4 or a hemi 'cuda will make them feel like they wanted to in high school.

A missed shift is not a shift taken too early, it is a failed shift, where you get hung up in neutral or the wrong gear. You blow a shift in a racer and you loose a couple of seconds. Usually a truly blown shift in a real hot car results in bent valves, blown engines, stripped synchros, that sort of damage. Last bad shift in a good small block for me was listed as peak revs at 9300 rpm. Which is treading on irreparable damage in the valve train. usually 2 thousand Rpm over redline will float the valves and that brings little non flexible things into contact with bigger non flexible things that results in a condition known as emptimonious walletus. Which is then followed by a pissed off wife, which is then followed by me living in a cardboard box.
 
lol... yea.. i hear ya. luckily i havent done anything like that. but in a fast manual car, all ya gotta do is practice. to make the new zo6 do incredible things is not too far out of reach.
 
yermom said:
apart from the 2 seater/standard sports car space issue it could ride very rough and depending on the stiffness of the clutch it could be a work-out driving in traffic
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i drive a vette all the time, as long as its just the driver and one other person its not a problem.

now my '71 Z/28 4spd with a 4.11 rear end, black vinyl (leathette they called it lol) interior and no AC, now thats hard to live with.

imho a stiff clutch is just the price ya pay to drive a car like that.
 
The clutch in my 65 is so stiff sometimes I use both feet and walk with a limp when I get out.
 
Guntotin_fool said:
The last decent 455 SD i have seen on the block was going for 125K!!!! best guess is only a few hundred left, I saw one in an auction list that had gone for over 300K granted it only had 2000 miles on it, but that is what they are going for.
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Thats the price you pay for a factory engine that can make 540hp with a carb and header swap. :D

The 455 SD is the true king of muscle car engines. makes the 426 look silly.

No joke on the prices of the cars either. I just checked the value on my 77 SETA Trans Am. Cars with the 6.6L and 100K miles are going for $35,000. prety good for a car that only sold for a few K originaly.
 
SIFU1A said:
i drive a vette all the time, as long as its just the driver and one other person its not a problem.

now my '71 Z/28 4spd with a 4.11 rear end, black vinyl (leathette they called it lol) interior and no AC, now thats hard to live with.

imho a stiff clutch is just the price ya pay to drive a car like that.
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i totally agree, but i think the idea is that not everyone would want to

i kinda like a bit of a rough ride, i like feeling the road

my passengers don't always have the same feeling :D
 
I have a 1985 Turbo-bodied 911 with a couple of engine mods and a 2001 BMW 325i. If i was only going to have one car, it woul probably be the outgoing BMW M3. Last one with the inline six and a nasty one at that. 360 hp out of an NA 3.2 liter if you can find one with the Dinan package.
 
There is a nice new BMW roadster on the canadian "confiscated drug car and boat site". That and the M3's are the only beemers I like.
 
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