Late model muscle....?

yThink maintenance, insurance, winter driving, seating capacity, and overall coolness. This pretty much rules out foreign cars lol.
Never been in an STI or Evo, have you? Lemme know how that Buick does for ya when there is a bit of snow or ice on the ground. I love American muscle above all else (I've owned more than a few nice ones) but I have to admit, these STIs and Evos are the Road Runners/Mustangs of this generation. Fast, fun, stylish and reasonably affordable.
 
no i totally agree with you. totally. they are THE most practical car around.. but i said soo many things, soo quickly, that i think i got a little confusing.

overall practicality, IF you have money? the wrx and lancers. by far and away.

if you dont have a ton of money? an early model notchback mustang. (with snow tires on it) though is doesnt excel in the winter months, it does everything else really well for cheap imho.

and my personal, biased opinion? fix the nova.
 
The Bugatti Veyron 16.4 takes all with 1001hp and a W16 engine and quad turbocharged

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The Bug cost's a million dollars, hardly any are built and they are supposed to be wicked fast, but they are not something you are going to race someone in, Why, cus if you ball it up racing you are out a million bucks, and all but like six have gone to the middle east.

Climbing into my flame suit.

NO performance car/muscle car/ sports car has an automatic. If it ain't got three pedals, it's like taking Jenna jamison out on a day with her mouth wired shut... you're only getting half the package.

If you can't drive a stick, get your momma to teach you.

A sports car can have four doors, Drive a M5 or a M3 and then say otherwise.

Some tuner cars are fast. Most only dream about it. they may be fast for a little bit, but I have yet to see one that keep it up for more than a short blast, ALL that I have seen are limited by the cooling system. The only exception to this are a few of the "Team Subaru" WRX cars that for sale a couple of years ago, those had 4 gallon cooling systems with Peterbuilt radiators. But the TS WRX's are rarer than geeks date.

Parts costs. Dealer prices are never a way to judge prices. I can walking in to four dealers, and get four different prices all depending on what column pricing I can talk the counter man into. For example, on my sons S10, the sifter boot tore, I got prices ranging from 92.50 to 36 dollars. (which is still excessive for a foot tall black rubber cone with a little sheet metal molded into the bottom of it.) Foreign parts are even worse, BMW wants to charge me 3600 dollars for a new top for a 89 cabriolet, plus 1700 for installation, I had a better top made, with a real glass window, at a local canvas shop, for under 1100 installed.

For performance parts, the mega stores like Jegs, Summit and PAW have it all over your local shop who may or may not have what you want, more than likely want to sell you what they have and often do not understand the integration necessary for best use. IF and this is A BIG if, you can find a gear head counter guy at a dealership who will treat you right, you can get some amazing deals out of factory OEM parts from hot rods. We discovered this when I was building up a original 68 Z-28, once he got to know us, he was able to scrounge all sorts of NOS parts out of the catalog that allowed me to build a correct restoration for thousands less than the aftermarket and swapmeet vultures were getting. FACTORY correct decals, emblems, a complete seat recover kit,(for under $600!!!!!) that had everything needed to put that strip rat into showroom new condition. if you are building a street strip carbureated small block, there is very little sense in getting anything but the original Z28 Dual plane manifold. It just flat out works. AND it costs about 125 dollars!!!

I was out today visiting another hot rodder and he was talking about his latest project, a gen4 2001 camaro with a ZO6 crate engine, He had just ordered the motor, the car was v6 stick that will end up being a 500 Hp daily driver.

Regarding the comment on the honda 919 vs a Ferrari, yeah you might beat him on occaison, but in real life, a point a to point b trip with real corners and real roads, he will be there first, he will not have helmet hair and his car will get him far more willing women than any crotch rocket, and those women will be of spectacular talent. When I visit Florida, I am lucky enough to drive my cousins Ferrari. I am a 46 year old grey hair and I never get a second glance from the young hard bodies anymore, UNLESS i am driving that car. They walk up to me and want to talk to me. Gorgeous women ask for rides, THAT is the power of the prancing horse, a 5 year old 360 Modena is one huge dose of Viagra to chicks. I have owned and driven Corvettes, Mclass Bimmers, several other muscle cars, but NOTHING gets more women than a Ferrari.
 
actually a lot of sports cars have the paddle shifter thingie and its almost an automatic, also an auto will beat a stick most of the time in the 1/4 mile, so autos arent all bad, i got one in my vette because:

A) it wasnt a ZR1 (no autos in that one)

b) my old car was a '71 Z/28 4 spd w/4.11 rear end and i was sick of rowing around town.

but to each his own.

the old Z/28 dual planes are ok if ya arent turning the engine over 6K or so but over that one of the "X" type manifolds like the edelbrock torker or tarantula works lots better, but all in all the Z intakes arent bad.
 
the automatic deal, is just a preference. one component in a car doesnt make or break it. its how the entire car was assembled overall. but i hear where youre comin from though. manuals are 'more fun'. my bmw is a 5 speed. but my trans in my gn, with a stage 3 shift kit in it, is RIGHT NOW, every day. all day. It never ever fails me.

"A sports car can have four doors, Drive a M5 or a M3 and then say otherwise."
I agree that the M class BMW's are absolutely fantastic automobiles. a good late 90's M3 would be the first thing I got if i ever came into a good chunk of change but... theyre not sports cars. theyre 'sport luxury' autos. Theyre nice cars, with a some pep to em.

and the ferrari will beat a sport bike in a race WITH CORNERS?? Id bet a considerable amount of money that a 'busa would not only whoop the SHIT out of any exotic car in a real inner city race, but will get their fair share of women too. Not AS many as a ferrari, but theyre not suffering let me tell you. On our local cruise/race strip here in the detroit area, theres NEVER a shortage of fine women around the cafe biker clubs. especially on main street in royal oak on wed and thurs. nites. A bike can not only stop WAYY quicker when comin into a corner, but can maintain a higher speed as well. and re-accelerate? forget about it. the only car ive ever seen beat a hiyabusa was an '06 ZO6. and that was ONLY in a straight line.

though, everything else you said is totally true :)
 
lol, I'm going to buy a car to impress girls...yah right. I'm not even married...and that is FAR down on my "reasons to buy a car." Maybe this is such a valid reason because alot of car buffs are single men? I don't really know, I spend more time worrying about how I impress a girl, rather than how my car impresses a girl. My Altima is no chick-magnet, but I have managed to keep the same girl for 3.5 years and have "had her" in my Altima on several occasions.

I wonder what would happen if I got a Ferrari??!?!? Oh right, nothing would change.
 
my old car was a '71 Z/28 4 spd w/4.11 rear end and i was sick of rowing around town.

but to each his own.

the old Z/28 dual planes are ok if ya arent turning the engine over 6K or so but over that one of the "X" type manifolds like the edelbrock torker or tarantula works lots better, but all in all the Z intakes arent bad.
SIFU1A,
My last hot car was a 70(1/2) Z-28,4.11's as well but with the T/Hydro 400.
LT1,stock except headers and Corvair Turbocharger mufflers and replaced the solid lifter cam with a little bit hairier Crane hydraulic(got sick of adjusting the lifters every 2 weeks).
It revved to 7,200 and did verrry good against Big Block Mopar and Fords,sold it a couple years ago back to original owner.
Man,I miss that Camaro.(Insert kicks self in ass smilie).

Doug
 
Ill tell ya what. I loved my car from the day i saw it. i could have cared less how it impressed chicks. and i still dont to this day. but.. it dam sure isnt a chick magnet though lol.. well, in my hometown of detroit it is..but not around here. ahh well, at least my current girlfriend loves it. lol.
 
Detroit, for real? Me too! And to think my parents drug me all the way to Texas. My entire family lives up in Michigan or Maryland. So alone down here :(
 
yep, born and raised for 32 years. on the east side. and the max wedge and hemis were all my family messed with when I was young... MAN i wish we still had those old cars... F*CK!
 
Best cars ever to hit the road. Banned from nascar for winning to much. A victim of gov't regulation.
 
RE a buse vs a ferrari. If you look at track times car vs bike, almost always the cars win. they stop WAY faster than bikes, carry higher speeds thru corners, the only clear place where bikes win is HP/pound and therefore they accelerate faster.

You state that a ZO6 will beat a busa, but only in a straight line, this is untrue. I do not have the links in front of me to prove it, but I can show in track tests that several hot cars can and have beaten the busa.

I simply ask on the last part of my post, Have you ever driven a Ferrari? if not, do not compare the likes of a mass produced bike with a hand built supercar. it is like going to walmart vs going to Tiffany's for an engagement ring. Both will get you married, but most every girl at birth knows what that little blue box means. The prancing pony has true magic.
 
SIFU1A,
My last hot car was a 70(1/2) Z-28,4.11's as well but with the T/Hydro 400.
LT1,stock except headers and Corvair Turbocharger mufflers and replaced the solid lifter cam with a little bit hairier Crane hydraulic(got sick of adjusting the lifters every 2 weeks).
It revved to 7,200 and did verrry good against Big Block Mopar and Fords,sold it a couple years ago back to original owner.
Man,I miss that Camaro.(Insert kicks self in ass smilie).

Doug

yeah i miss mine some too, but it was in need of a restoration, and i didnt want to do the job myself and it was just gonna be cost prohibitive vs what the thing was worth at the time, ie i saw one (a '72 IIRC) in LNIB shape and it was $20K, if it woulda just been a 70 1/2 model though........even then those were worth some $$.

motor trend and its sister publication about bikes had a run off a few yrs ago,on a road course, viper vs a yamaha, the viper won, & yes a viper/corvette/etc will out brake a bike, and outrun one on a tight track.

the guy driving the bike said the track was dusty and slippery but that didnt seem to effect the car, as far as racing like that on the road in a town i dont know cops catch guys on bikes all the time, and they rarely drive anything but crown vics lol, i think it would depend on the drivers, which one was more nutz.
 
on a real city street, with red lights, super tight corners, and traffic, a yamaha yzf R1 would DESTROY any car you can imagine, up to and including that 5 turbo car up above... any day of the week and twice on sunday. if you think otherwise, im sure there are MORE than enough riders here in the detroit area, that would gladly race any car you brought down here. theres enough good riders here that would race just about anyone. lol

and have i drove a ferarri? nope. sure would love to though. i can imagine they drive great. im an american muscle car fan though. :)
 
That high speed blast in the twin-turbo Supra is insane. (In Getaway in Stockholm 2). Watching some of those video clips, I can't imagine feeling underpowered in that beast. I'd just hope my brakes, suspension and tires are up to the mission!

I'd still go with a Subaru WRX or WRX STi. Best bang for your buck. Did I already mention that? :D
 
A Subaru WRX is pretty nice. I had one a few years ago, after selling my LS1 powered Trans Am. Ride quality is much better, handling is better, gas mileage is better and it's a 4 door. Also, the AWD is pretty nice to have. Go test drive one, you won't be sorry.
 
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