Learning the Hard way (cleaned up)

[BlackyHouston]

Re-read this.... NO WHERE did I EVER BLAME the KNIFE maker for anything!!!

The turn to the lousy warranty and poor attitude of the manufacturer came into the thread later.

Epic fail of a thread. (sorry I'm late!)

OP gets the hardest sharpening system known to man, and then blames the maker! One of the easiest knives in the world to sharpen, but it's Emerson's fault! Come on, lame.

 

[shinyedges]

Yes a v edge voids warranty, and a v EDGE doesn't require a lot of steel to be removed as yo mama makes it seem... are you serious yo mama ????


Its a left hand chisel grind edge or no warranty...

They charge 14.00 for there "lifetime" warranty anyway. Research research research

Huh voids warranty on the rest of the knife by sharpening a v on the Blade?... Interesting... Does sharpening in general void the "warranty"?

 

[shinyedges]

Its cool its normal for panties to get in a wad when Emerson comes up lol "oh no you won't bad mouth my knife company its my favorite because it has a soul" ROFL

Re-read this.... NO WHERE did I EVER BLAME the KNIFE maker for anything!!!

The turn to the lousy warranty and poor attitude of the manufacturer came into the thread later.

 

[Yo Mama]

Re-read this.... NO WHERE did I EVER BLAME the KNIFE maker for anything!!!

The turn to the lousy warranty and poor attitude of the manufacturer came into the thread later.

Did I direct any of my post to you?

 

[RX-79G]

Did I direct any of my post to you?

Yup. He's the OP you referred to as an epic fail.

 

[Yo Mama]

Yup. He's the OP you referred to as an epic fail.

Yeah, sorry, just noticed. Op had issues with a Lansky, no surprise, and didn't know what grind is used. So yes, both things were of to me. Then others like always come in and provide misinformation about what the company will and won't do.

So overall, the thread went like they all do.

 

[shinyedges]

What misinformation? Maybe I missed it but all the info I read came from Eki website.. and how about you inform us why you think a v edge requires a lot of steel removed?

Yeah, sorry, just noticed. Op had issues with a Lansky, no surprise, and didn't know what grind is used. So yes, both things were of to me. Then others like always come in and provide misinformation about what the company will and won't do.

So overall, the thread went like they all do.

 

[Yo Mama]

Sure. some people think if they have a belt sander they can just put on a brand new edge. Then they mess it up horribly and end up taking a ton of metal off. Then they send it back to the manufacturer and complain. Then they go on the forum and complain that if you convert a chisel grind to a v grind that Ernie doesn't cover it. And they are right why should they. You have now customized your knife it's no longer a production knife. I don't see how this is unfair?

Again I already explained this before I don't see how this is different than any other manufacturer. They all have very similar warranties they're going to cover themselves against stupidity on the users end. If it wasn't stupid they're gonna cover you.

 

[RX-79G]

Sure. Plenty of people think if they have a belt sander they can just put on a brand new edge. Then they mess it up horribly and end up taking a ton of metal off. Then they send it back to the manufacturer and complain. Then they go on the forum and complain that if you convert a chisel grind to a v grind that Ernie doesn't cover it. And they are right why should they. You have now customized your knife it's no longer a production knife. I don't see how this is unfair?

For the same reason that having your defective brakes not get warrantied because you installed a sunroof in your car is unfair. The edge modification, large or small, has nothing to do with a defective safety mechanism in the knife. Refusing to fix defective products for unrelated reasons does not inspire customer loyalty.

Any company that makes anything defective - especially a safety lock - should be falling over themselves for the opportunity to fix it.


Luckily for me, I find nearly everything Emerson products ugly. Even the logo is a turn off. So I won't ever have to pay the price of a SAK to get turned down for warranty service.

 

[dr_fosg8]

and how about you inform us why you think a v edge requires a lot of steel removed?

If you take a chisel edge knife and grind it to have a V edge with even bevels you will have to remove a good bit of steel.

 

[ron finkbeiner jr]

Send it to Nathawut, he'll get it right and purty.

 

[shinyedges]

Some steel needs to be removed but not a lot,I use Japanese water stones and can re do a knife edge completely with out removing "a lot" of steel. And as RX noted why in the hell does changing the edge void the entire warranty?

I think its an exaggeration to say v egde requires "a lot" of steel removed, pretending if someone put a v edge on a knife it somehow eats up the steel all the way to the spine lol some people will rationalize any thing.

Knives are designed to be sharpened removing a little extra steel for a v edge doesn't do crap to the lock.

If you take a chisel edge knife and grind it to have a V edge with even bevels you will have to remove a good bit of steel.

 

[shinyedges]

Your scenario only encompasses one outcome, how about all the other scenarios where people don't grind there knife to a nub or ruin the heat treat? How about regular guys like me who use Japanese water stones or sand paper or an edge pro apex or wicked edge??

I ask again, what mis information?? You made the mis information statement but never clarified what was "mis info"...

Sure. some people think if they have a belt sander they can just put on a brand new edge. Then they mess it up horribly and end up taking a ton of metal off. Then they send it back to the manufacturer and complain. Then they go on the forum and complain that if you convert a chisel grind to a v grind that Ernie doesn't cover it. And they are right why should they. You have now customized your knife it's no longer a production knife. I don't see how this is unfair?

Again I already explained this before I don't see how this is different than any other manufacturer. They all have very similar warranties they're going to cover themselves against stupidity on the users end. If it wasn't stupid they're gonna cover you.

 

[Yo Mama]

Your scenario only encompasses one outcome, how about all the other scenarios where people don't grind there knife to a nub or ruin the heat treat? How about regular guys like me who use Japanese water stones or sand paper or an edge pro apex or wicked edge??

I ask again, what mis information?? You made the mis information statement but never clarified what was "mis info"...

Alright I'm only going to say this one more time. And then I'm done with this thread. The misinformation comes from thinking that Emerson knives are the only ones who do this. I don't care what major manufacture you want to focus on not one of them will warranty the knife. Have a blast reprofiling it if you want I wish you the best of luck.

 

[shinyedges]

Did anyone in this thread say only Emerson voids warranties for changing edge grinds?


So, if NO one said ONLY Emerson voids warranties for changing edge grind where are you getting this "misinformation" crap??

Alright I'm only going to say this one more time. And then I'm done with this thread. The misinformation comes from thinking that Emerson knives are the only ones who do this. I don't care what major manufacture you want to focus on not one of them will warranty the knife. Have a blast reprofiling it if you want I wish you the best of luck.

 

[Yo Mama]

Look we're obviously not communicating. Let's just call it a day.

 

[shinyedges]

You just refuse to back up your misinformation statement, that's cool.

Look we're obviously not communicating. Let's just call it a day.

 

[Yo Mama]

If it makes you happy great. I've already answered you. I don't see us agreeing. That happens from time to time ya kno?

 

[shinyedges]

We can agree to disagree, you came into this thread making some statements about "misinformation" based on nothing I guess because no one in this thread posted ANY "misinformation". Not sure what were disagreeing actually lol proof is in the posts..

 

[Jamesh Bond]

I have learned several lessons this week:

Emerson has poor quality control
The Wave feature is probably more suited to smaller folders

When learning to sharpen, should probably practice on an old beater...

Story:

Last week I bought a few knives of which one was my first Emerson and a Lansky sharpening set.
The Emerson is a CQC 8BT which was hard to open and gritty and had lock stick. So as with all my I spent a few days flipping it and working it, then pulled it apart, cleaned everything, NANO lubed the washers and reassembled. Grit was gone, and became very smooth to work and lock stick was gone. However now lock contact is lacking and pivot screw loosens. A little Blue Locktight and pivot pin is good, but liner lock will probably need to be sent in.
Usability: The blade tends to want to deploy too easily when removing from pocket and thought needs to be given each time I reach into that pocket to prevent being bitten. Also, when deployment is wanted, the blade tends to grab outer garments, I think this is a blade size thing.

Sharpening episode.
This happens to be the knife I had in front of me when I decided to try my new Lansky kit.
Problem one... The rubber in the vice jaws kept sliding around
Problem two... Grip and method - ALL ON ME
Problem three... Emerson has NO defined angle from the factory

Result: Started at 20 Degrees - Bad move, really opened up the exposed edge from the black blade and nicked a couple of spots I didn't want to.
Deciding now I have an expensive beater, I moved to 25 degrees on both side and it is now sharper than a mean woman's tongue.

In the end I'll be carrying this as a work knife and will need to send it in to get the lock fixed at some point.

In the back of my mind I'm thinking that a custom lock a scales might make me feel better about it.

Emersons are quirky for sure. All the problems you stated are common and correctable. Good knives, but they are an entirely different bird. I can wave anything, regardless of size, so im not convinced size is the problem. I agree they hang up on clothing and open when you dont want them to. Just gotta adapt. Waves are fun and cool but they truly are a but of a liability.

Also, NO FACTORY KNIFE HAS A DEFINED ANGLE. Manufacturers claim numbers, but every knife will be different depending on the blade shape and who sharpened it. They are sharpened by hand. In particular, Emerson expressly states just this on the website. It is a fantasy to think that any brand new knife has some exact 22.34 degree bevel or whatever. With preset angle sharpeners, you have to completely reprofile the edge to match the sharpener, rather than match the sharpener to the edge. Yet another reason to freehand.

And why did you sharpen both sides?