Lets see your Sanrenmus,Navys and Enlans

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So, that SMR built in China selling for $9 is equivalent to a knife made in the US selling for $30. There are plenty of Case and Buck knives made in the US costing ~$30. That is difference inherent in the exchange between countries, not due to paying workers below a living wage.

If you have any actual evidence that SMR uses sweatshops, I'd be glad to hear it and would not buy any more.

Some people for whatever reason do not understand this.

These knives are not made in a "sweatshop". By 6 year old kids in the dark, starving with no food or water.

They are all made by machines, these aren't hand-made custom knives.

Many factories in China are more advanced and have better Q/C than factories in the US. Seriously has anyone been to China recently, LOL. Some of the cities are much nicer than cities in the US, in terms of malls, infrastructure, houses, cars, etc.

The Iphone and Thinkpads are all made in China, are they all sweatshop products?

And you would rather have "one nice knife." Who decides if its nice or not. If you pay $400 for the knife in the US, maybe someone in China could make it for $43, Im just saying.

One of my friends lives in China...a can of RedBull costs him about 25cents. In the US is about $3.00USD. Same product.
 
But all electronics are made in China as well, the PC you are using now has all parts made in China.
Your TV, toaster, etc. etc.

Why do you draw the line with knives?

I own a second hand t.v i didnt pay a cent for and my computer is actually made in america from high end parts not all of which are chinese and also it was assembled etc in florida. I recently got an asus it i admit has some parts from china but also taiwan and the czech republic. The thing is that whenever i get the chance i go for american made. im not a nut about it, but it just is to me at least the right thing to do
 
That was one of my favorite knives! Used it for about 2 months until a bouncer at a club in San Diego accidentally "lost" it. I would get another, but I just don't have the patience to wait for 3 weeks for it to arrive.

Whoop! Just found one that ships from USA, it'll arrive soon :)

LOL, I was just gonna ask why not order it anyways. 3 weeks are gonna go by whether you order it or not! Glad you found one. :-)
 
I own a second hand t.v i didnt pay a cent for and my computer is actually made in america from high end parts not all of which are chinese and also it was assembled etc in florida. I recently got an asus it i admit has some parts from china but also taiwan and the czech republic. The thing is that whenever i get the chance i go for american made. im not a nut about it, but it just is to me at least the right thing to do

Alright fair enough. Guess it's different for you then for me. My country never did produce many things (small country) so I don't care where stuff is made but USA used to produce a whole lot of stuff.
 
Alright fair enough. Guess it's different for you then for me. My country never did produce many things (small country) so I don't care where stuff is made but USA used to produce a whole lot of stuff.

Yes, well, perhaps Philips would have fared better if the Dutch and Belgian people didn't gradually (and partly) switch to buying eastern imports...
Still, I don't think that is a good reason to buy a brand. The product should stand on its own merit, where it is made is in my opinion of less importance (except for wines, if it says Burgundy then it better comes from there :) ) than the intrinsic quality/price. And indeed, jobs in the west are moving towards services, manufacturing is more and more outsourced. Similar to Singapore, when they kicked off, so to speak, in the early 1960s they often were used as a cheap outsourcing manufacturer. These days little is physically made there, most people work in all kind of services, and still the quality of life is pretty high.
 
Yeah but high quality products abound here still in america knives in particular and if a production knife doesnt float your boat then there are tons of talented knife makers here that can hook you up with with anything you want.

My flashlights knives guns carabiners hammocks packs and most of my other outdoors and recreational gear is manufactured in the united states, as i said im not fanatic about it but when i have the option i go for u.s made. It just makes sense to me.
 
Because I can't find electronics made elswhere. If they were available I would get them. There are plenty of knives available from places other than China that won't take you broke.
 
Since Sal from Spyderco has talked about visiting their manufacturers to check them out and Spyderco has used SMR has a manufacturer, I seriously doubt it's sweatshop-like conditions. Either that, or by buying those Spydercos you talk about, you're supporting the company built by a man who not only visits sweatshops but ignores what they are!

Instead, he posted about value-for-a-dollar for manufacturing in each country on the Spyderco forum: http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?p=546507&highlight=taiwan+japan#post546507:


So, that SMR built in China selling for $9 is equivalent to a knife made in the US selling for $30. There are plenty of Case and Buck knives made in the US costing ~$30. That is difference inherent in the exchange between countries, not due to paying workers below a living wage.

If you have any actual evidence that SMR uses sweatshops, I'd be glad to hear it and would not buy any more.

I have already said I don't buy Spyderco or Benchmade or whatever that is made in China. They have enough other models I don't need the bottom line crap.
 
Because I can't find electronics made elswhere. If they were available I would get them.

Not computers, but there is still nice and highly musical high fidelity gear being made in the USA. Such as timeless Mcintosh amplifiers and Magnepan speakers... drooling... Unfortunately these are invariable too expensive on the old continent.
 
well you can always go with an alienware computer, theyre all american i believe
Sorry bro, alienware computers are custom assembled but the parts are a mix of the best performing parts around regardless of country of origin.


NaturalMystic:
I just kinda feel it to be a hassle, waiting three weeks for it to arrive. Silly, I know! I could have had one back 3 weeks after I lost my first one!
 
NaturalMystic:
I just kinda feel it to be a hassle, waiting three weeks for it to arrive. Silly, I know! I could have had one back 3 weeks after I lost my first one!

I hear you man, I do over 80% of my gear purchases online and living in Canada I'm always waiting longer for them to arrive.

For the Americans living in America, I respect your patriotism, the ideology behind your decisions, etc, in preferring to buy US made only products. Being born in a Third World tropical island, and now living in Canada, which is also more of a service driven country (compared to mftg), I don't necessarily have those same loyalties to product origin. I don't mind buying from China, South America, Singapore, Phillipines, Malaysia, etc, as long as the item is good quality and those mftg companies have not been accused of being "sweat-shops".

I'm also not referring to supporting blatant knock-offs but as has been mentioned already, in some cases, who knows what arrangements have been made between the the Big brand companies and the third world outsourcing companies they've contracted to make their lower end product. It wouldn't surprise me if they've given the OK to be "liberal" is using said designs to make lower end copies/knives for their local buyers who can't afford to pay the prices we pay for our original branded versions. In the end, the big companies are still making $$ so I doubt they really care. They're reaching a wider customer base, tapping into a market they otherwise wouldn't be able to and in the end it's all money in the bank for them.

I also don't see much point in buying only the knives that were made in the US and skipping the knives from the same brand that were made in China. In the end all that profit still benefits the entire company, local plants as well as third world outsourced plants like SRM, Navy, etc. Those Chinese manufacturers still get paid and the process repeats itself so unless you stop buying from that company altogether, you're still supporting those offshore contracted companies. I don't necessarily like it but I didn't make the rules so I'm not going to make myself poor buying only the latest and greatest high end "American Made" stuff if I can more than get by on some of the lower end stuff and they meet my needs. As they say, don't hate the player, hate the game!

I'm not trying to start a flame war here but from what I remember reading, part of the US' Capitalistic philosophy when they began outsourcing to China in the 70s was to be able to take advantage of the lower mftg costs due to the cheaper labor and sell at the original prices to maximize their profit margins. I'm pretty sure the powers that be didn't give a crap about child-labor issues and has been shown on several situations, it was probably a case of "don't ask, don't tell". Don't get me wrong, I really like the US, their beliefs, etc, and as I've mentioned before, my mom and younger bro live in the US (my bro served 4 yrs in the US Army, 2 of those in South Korea and Iraq). That being said, I've seen it far to many times where the US powers that be just don't give a crap about anyone but themselves. Look at the whole financial fiasco that we're just coming out of with the sub-par mortgages, Fanny-May, etc. The rich just want to get richer and don't care if they destroy the lives of us "Common folk". That's the opinion I've unfortunately come to have and it's unfortunate that it's become so tarnished. All you great folks in the US still hold on to the idealistic views that your country was founded on but the people in power have corrupted it all for their gain. It makes me really sad that this is the world we live in now.

I don't think it's fair to brand anyone purchasing these "cheap pieces of Chinese junk" as some have put it as being non-patriotic,skumbags taking jobs away from your fellow Americans, etc. It's the American leaders who allowed all this outsourcing to begin with. Are they unpatriotic? Again, the bottom line for the banks and powers that be is, lower-over heads = more profit. Don't hate on the small man because he has to live with these circumstances, he's just making the best of a (bad) situation. This is the global economy and the ride's only just begun.

Anyhow, this thread was supposed to be about the knives so I'll stop there but just wanted to give my 2 cents based on what others have said.
 
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My comp i listed earlier was an alienware created before they were taken over by DELL, one of the last few computers to come out of the florida plant.
 
I hear you man, I do over 80% of my gear purchases online and living in Canada I'm always waiting longer for them to arrive.

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Anyhow, this thread was supposed to be about the knives so I'll stop there but just wanted to give my 2 cents based on what others have said.

Well said!

Plus, if the big North American companies like these overseas products enough to buy them in significant quantities and really drive the business by stamping their own brand names on them, why should the little guy be scorned for buying a few (sans fancy logo) for themselves? Just my opinion...
 
Can a mod please clean the off topic crap out of this thread?

After about page three this thread got so stupid it's offensive.

I'm not trying to start a flame war here but *snip*.

Dude...way way way too late.

This thread has been being actively and blatantly trolled almost since the start.

Either that or people like Plantarz or whatever his name is are actual delusional, borderline racist, hate filled balls of rage who all slipped off their meds simultaneously.

I choose not to believe that about people who have the good sense to enjoy knives. I'm going to assume they are just high spirited jerks who decided to run with a joke until someone called them on it.
 
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the trolling is pretty inevitable when it comes to SOG, CS, and the chinese producer threads, we just hope to get the info in before the thread burns to death
 
Nigel, well said!

MMarkh, now you're saying the branded ones also make craps. :D

It's interesting how hatred & fanatism cloud judgement.
 
Geezus people, I came here expecting to get some information on the KNIVES and to see 9 pages of Sanrenmu, Navy and Enlan knives but only got a few pages of pics and info and the rest of the pages filled with politcal crap. Seriously, get with the program. I just hope the Mod's wipe this thread's off topic posts clean, and not shut down this perfectly good started thread.
 
Thread crapping is an unfortunate time-honored tradition on many of the boards I visit, especially when it comes to China.
 
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