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The last few posts by revdevil, razor bob, & STR show more maturity than emotion. There are grey areas, and each has to draw the line for him or herself.
Individually buying choice is made based on individual circumstance, that includes value, availability, and spending power.
As someone said, ex-con can redeem by honest work. One with cheating mentality won't. In the case of these 3 brands, it's clear that SRM & Enlan are trying to come up with original designs, while keeping high standard of QC. They
might started off with some similar design, but grow further.
Navy, as seen, uses many blatant copy, is of different mind set. Reading through the feedback on this forum & others, it's obvious that Navy is lagging in QC, which goes hand in hand with less effort to come up with original design. They also mark the blade as 440c, which given the circumstance, likely is 8Cr13MoV also. It smells attempt to cheat in the whole. Anyone care to analyze the steel?
Patent is country based. Unless the knife using axis lock is officially marketed in US, the law cannot be imposed to China manufacturer. In this regard, both BM & the China manufacturer know it is the case.
In some countries, it is not possible to get US branded knives without inflated price, 2-3 times the price people getting it on this forum. That's due to import duty imposed on as 'luxury items'. The US company/seller, being lawful, will not declare it otherwise as well. The China exporter marks it as kitchen utensil, thus no major duty is required.
The same case is for SAK, where it's categorized as 'tools'.
See that things are not black & white. Law abiding might not always serve one right, as the one drafting the law is no longer care about real life situation. Knife legislation is one example.
Now to QC issue. Given the review & comment, it is a sad thing that BM cannot maintain the QC commanded by it's status as one of the top maker (see the BM QC thread) while a newcomer like SRM strives for that, at least for those carrying it's own brand. Perhaps this the real reason of fear that turned into anger & attack towards SRM? That makes the attacker blindly lumping them with CCC and scums that produces crap but put fake brands on their knives?
There are things we don't know as STR stated, the inner dealings between the companies. Accusation brings no result without fact.
What are known from reviews & users feedback, the companies websites:
SRM & Enlan produce decent quality knife at very low cost
Some of the designs are similar to popular brand models
Some of the designs uses Axis lock that's patented by BM in US (does anyone knows it's also international?)
Navy being more a cloning knives company compared to the two has less QC
All these knives are not commercially imported to US and marketed in US
The purchase & valuation are by individuals that buy them on eBay or other sources on the Internet
SRM, Bee/Enlan & Navy are distinct brand, but affiliation is unclear, as seen on latest SRM Athletic series, which mostly are Enlan's
By stating facts, new comers to the forum can learn & decide.
Btw, @Dagon, EL01 is very nice & solid. It's not sheep friendly by looking like a folding bayonet though
From my experience, Enlan's heat treat is higher RC than SRM, by the samples I have tested.
Individually buying choice is made based on individual circumstance, that includes value, availability, and spending power.
As someone said, ex-con can redeem by honest work. One with cheating mentality won't. In the case of these 3 brands, it's clear that SRM & Enlan are trying to come up with original designs, while keeping high standard of QC. They
might started off with some similar design, but grow further.
Navy, as seen, uses many blatant copy, is of different mind set. Reading through the feedback on this forum & others, it's obvious that Navy is lagging in QC, which goes hand in hand with less effort to come up with original design. They also mark the blade as 440c, which given the circumstance, likely is 8Cr13MoV also. It smells attempt to cheat in the whole. Anyone care to analyze the steel?
Patent is country based. Unless the knife using axis lock is officially marketed in US, the law cannot be imposed to China manufacturer. In this regard, both BM & the China manufacturer know it is the case.
In some countries, it is not possible to get US branded knives without inflated price, 2-3 times the price people getting it on this forum. That's due to import duty imposed on as 'luxury items'. The US company/seller, being lawful, will not declare it otherwise as well. The China exporter marks it as kitchen utensil, thus no major duty is required.
The same case is for SAK, where it's categorized as 'tools'.
See that things are not black & white. Law abiding might not always serve one right, as the one drafting the law is no longer care about real life situation. Knife legislation is one example.
Now to QC issue. Given the review & comment, it is a sad thing that BM cannot maintain the QC commanded by it's status as one of the top maker (see the BM QC thread) while a newcomer like SRM strives for that, at least for those carrying it's own brand. Perhaps this the real reason of fear that turned into anger & attack towards SRM? That makes the attacker blindly lumping them with CCC and scums that produces crap but put fake brands on their knives?
There are things we don't know as STR stated, the inner dealings between the companies. Accusation brings no result without fact.
What are known from reviews & users feedback, the companies websites:
SRM & Enlan produce decent quality knife at very low cost
Some of the designs are similar to popular brand models
Some of the designs uses Axis lock that's patented by BM in US (does anyone knows it's also international?)
Navy being more a cloning knives company compared to the two has less QC
All these knives are not commercially imported to US and marketed in US
The purchase & valuation are by individuals that buy them on eBay or other sources on the Internet
SRM, Bee/Enlan & Navy are distinct brand, but affiliation is unclear, as seen on latest SRM Athletic series, which mostly are Enlan's
By stating facts, new comers to the forum can learn & decide.
Btw, @Dagon, EL01 is very nice & solid. It's not sheep friendly by looking like a folding bayonet though
From my experience, Enlan's heat treat is higher RC than SRM, by the samples I have tested.
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