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Lets talk GEC!

Markeologist said:
The M&G version of the 15 w/ bail and chain is a much nicer knife than the standard GEC release, it has nicer jigging, the federal shield, a long pull on its spear point blade and a pen blade too.
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Disagree. All GEC two blade and larger bail / chain knives were manufactured with an engineering mistake ... the additional blade makes them too wide to fit through the bail that was designed for a single blade. The bail gets in the way anyhow, but adding a useless bail is an unforgivable mistake. Dumb. Stupid.

Stratkat said:
Again though, considering they are somewhat rare, I’m surprised that those who have them don’t post them as there have to be in a few safe queen collections
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Recently posted these pics in @waynorth 's SFO thread. Since you missed them, reposting for your viewing pleasure.

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Pretty strong pull, 8 plus. You can see a piece of my splintered thumbnail in the nick.

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Chief said:
Disagree. All GEC two blade and larger bail / chain knives were manufactured with an engineering mistake ... the additional blade makes them too wide to fit through the bail that was designed for a single blade. The bail gets in the way anyhow, but adding a useless bail is an unforgivable mistake. Dumb. Stupid.
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I’ve had bad luck with bails in general. My “old“ official Camillus scout knife had one with a line in it from where I accidentally closed the blade on the bail numerous times. User error, sure, but I’d rather not have a bail at all; I never really used it.

so I ground it off and re-peened the pin. It’s been a more comfortable knife ever since.

I love the idea, but I’ll likely never own a GEC with a bail. Lanyard hole? Definitely.
 
EngrSorenson said:
I’ve had bad luck with bails in general. My “old“ official Camillus scout knife had one with a line in it from where I accidentally closed the blade on the bail numerous times. User error, sure, but I’d rather not have a bail at all; I never really used it.

so I ground it off and re-peened the pin. It’s been a more comfortable knife ever since.

I love the idea, but I’ll likely never own a GEC with a bail. Lanyard hole? Definitely.
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agree after a few try outs with the bail, but just can't recall a GEC folder with a lanyard hole...
 
EngrSorenson said:
Last night I rediscovered some "blade rap" on my #92 again o_O. I use quotes around "blade rap" because it's not rapping on the back spring when I close it. Before I thought I was gripping it too firmly while using the secondary, pushing the main past it's travel position and into the spring, but since then I've taken care not to grip it too hard. The only thing I can think about is maybe it gets bumped in my pocket, or squeezed if I pinch if between my body and, say, the arm of a sofa.

I sharpened it out lickety split, but it's been bothering me a little. At some point the problem will go away, once I've sharpened the blade down far enough. Before someone suggests it- I'd rather sharpen the blade down far enough over time than put a piece of rubber in the blade well.

Looks like I need to buy a new knife! :D
(I wonder what my son will think in 16 years as he wades through a sea of knives to ask me why we can't help him pay for college?)
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I am carrying my 92 today and as I was fiddling with it on my walk I noticed that on mine the is no pin bump in the blade well. The design of the knife literally moves the bump from the blade well to the spine of the knife. I don't know if the design was made for cosmetic reasons and this was a fortunate side affect or vise versa. I know that every knife is different however it seems to me that blade rap from the spring to be very difficult on this knife and maybe something else is happening.

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Jiki said:
I am carrying my 92 today and as I was fiddling with it on my walk I noticed that on mine the is no pin bump in the blade well. The design of the knife literally moves the bump from the blade well to the spine of the knife. I don't know if the design was made for cosmetic reasons and this was a fortunate side affect or vise versa. I know that every knife is different however it seems to me that blade rap from the spring to be very difficult on this knife and maybe something else is happening.
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I definitely a agree with you- the majority of the spring material is moved from inside the well to the back of the knife. I think you’re also correct; I’m not experiencing blade rap from snapping the blade shut.

instead, I think what’s happening is either it fell off my lap onto the hardwood floor or something and I didn’t think of it, Or I hit the knife against something while it was in my pocket.

ive noticed some knives resist (what I call) “over-travel“ more than others. If you try to just press the knife “more closed” by gently pushing on the spine of the already closed blade, you’ll see the spring deflect and the blade move closer to the back spring.

I suspect the #92 is just more vulnerable to getting knocked around than my other knives that get the same treatment. I haven’t seen blade rap since, so this might explain the intermittent nature of the issue.

I’m including a picture of the blade well just to illustrate what Jiki pointed out. There’s a slight “ramp” (Blue arrow) up to accommodate the pin, as opposed to a “hump” typical knives have to accommodate a typically more in-board pin. The red arrow is to just indicate where you can see the hair line from the edge hitting the spring, which just happens to be above the pin.
Edit: the red arrow needed to be a little more to the left and a smidge down to properly indicate the blade striking point.

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Chief said:
Disagree. All GEC two blade and larger bail / chain knives were manufactured with an engineering mistake ... the additional blade makes them too wide to fit through the bail that was designed for a single blade. The bail gets in the way anyhow, but adding a useless bail is an unforgivable mistake. Dumb. Stupid.

That doesn’t negate my premise that the M&G is a nicer knife than standard issue models. Place a standard issue next to the M&G and it is pretty clear...if bone, the jigging is nicer being more like what you see on Mt. CC’s 48 or lambsfoot, it has a nice federal shield, and it has a long pull. That said, I agree about the bail on this and all the chain knives...that’s why I removed mine.



Recently posted these pics in @waynorth 's SFO thread. Since you missed them, reposting for your viewing pleasure.

GEC98CampKnifeOrangeBone-1.jpg


GEC98CampKnifeOrangeBone-2.jpg


Pretty strong pull, 8 plus. You can see a piece of my splintered thumbnail in the nick.

GEC98CampKnifeOrangeBone-3.jpg
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