Lets talk GEC!

rdave said:
agree after a few try outs with the bail, but just can't recall a GEC folder with a lanyard hole...
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bbk357 bbk357 more fine examples. I very much liked the “Due South” clip modification. I never really found sod-buster-style skinner blades to be all that useful in my day-to-day. The knife didn’t require a shield addition, but shoot... can’t win them all.
 
EngrSorenson said:
bbk357 bbk357 more fine examples. I very much liked the “Due South” clip modification. I never really found sod-buster-style skinner blades to be all that useful in my day-to-day. The knife didn’t require a shield addition, but shoot... can’t win them all.
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Thanks! Not everyone’s choice, but I really love that modified clip.
 
Chief said:
Disagree. All GEC two blade and larger bail / chain knives were manufactured with an engineering mistake ... the additional blade makes them too wide to fit through the bail that was designed for a single blade. The bail gets in the way anyhow, but adding a useless bail is an unforgivable mistake. Dumb. Stupid.



Recently posted these pics in @waynorth 's SFO thread. Since you missed them, reposting for your viewing pleasure.

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Pretty strong pull, 8 plus. You can see a piece of my splintered thumbnail in the nick.

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Now that is a fantastic knife!!!
 
Chief said:
@MCar peanut gallery or not, it's my opinion it was a mistake to put the single blade bail on the double blade knife because the knife no longer fits through the bail. Happy you like yours.
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Chief, I am glad you made your point and supported it with your facts and knowledge. And I am glad @MCar made his counter point so to speak, supporting the the good work GEC has done for us over the years.

We need more of those conversations, instead of the "high Fives", holding hands and the comment about great adverbs used, type of BS we sometimes get...
 
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Chief said:
@MCar peanut gallery or not, it's my opinion it was a mistake to put the single blade bail on the double blade knife because the knife no longer fits through the bail. Happy you like yours.
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ok...so I think I misunderstood your premise here...you are not speaking of the bail but of the ring at the other end of the chain. This is not a design flaw, the ring is designed to go on a button or snap and then when the button or snap is closed (the button goes throw button hole or snap is "snapped" shut) the ring is secured to clothing. Here is a photo of how the B&C knife is supposed to attach. Pocket watches are similar, though they often had a toggle like a cufflink that you placed through button hole. Photo courtesy of Gunstockjack.

 
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Markeologist said:
ok...so I think I misunderstood your premise here...you are not speaking of the bail but of the ring at the other end of the chain. This is not a design flaw, the ring is designed to go on a button or snap and then when the button or snap is closed (the button goes throw button hole or snap is "snapped" shut) the ring is secured to clothing. Here is a photo of how the B&C knife is supposed to attach. Pocket watches are similar, though they often had a toggle like a cufflink that you placed through button hole. Photo courtesy of Gunstockjack.

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This is my understanding of how the B&C was/is traditionally used as well. I had never thought of running the knife through the loop, but I can see that being useful for attaching it to a belt loop or similar.
 
If you want the 2-blade Bail and Chain #15 to work on belt loops, seems simple enough to change out the button loop for some kind of clip or larger ring. If you can adequately operate a pair of needle nose pliers, it should be a non-issue.
 
JohnDF said:
If you want the 2-blade Bail and Chain #15 to work on belt loops, seems simple enough to change out the button loop for some kind of clip or larger ring. If you can adequately operate a pair of needle nose pliers, it should be a non-issue.
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Yeah, the more I'm reading about this, the more I'm understanding what the initial complaint was- I've always thought that piece to be designed for going over and around buttons, not for pushing the knife through.

I suppose the critique of GEC could be that the bail and chain should come with instructions for it's use. Seems to be like it works just as intended.
 
Well now I may be wrong but I thought Chief was talking about bails the whole time, not about rings. Isn’t he saying the bail isn’t made wide enough to fit around a two bladed knife?

If so, I would note that GEC makes a number of different bails - a bit like punches. Some designs are more refined than others.
 
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Chief said:
the knife no longer fits through the bail.
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Camillus said:
Isn’t he saying the bail isn’t made wide enough to fit around a two bladed knife?
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He talks about the knife fitting "THROUGH" the bail.
I've seen two blade #15's and the bail seems to swing freely.
That's really all that's needed for it to fit properly.
Which leads me to believe he was talking about the button hook.
A lot of guys pass the knife through that button hook to attach it to a belt loop.
 
Interesting... I've never looked at the button loop (not sure if that is the correct term) as being anything other than what you would loop over a button. That said, I do seem to recall some discussion with regards to this when these knives were announced awhile back so I suppose I can understand the confusion.

This is the card that was included with my M&G #15 - it is a copy of an original ad. There is no way that knife was intended to pass through the button loop... (It's also quite possible that we are completely misinterpreting what John (Chief) was saying.)

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Camillus said:
Well now I may be wrong but I thought Chief was talking about bails the whole time, not about rings. Isn’t he saying the bail isn’t made wide enough to fit around a two bladed knife?

If so, I would note that GEC makes a number of different bails - a bit like punches. Some designs are more refined than others.
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How would the knife "fit through" the bail given the bail is fixed to the knife? I too had originally thought John/Chief was talking about the bail on knife, suggesting that the bail was not designed for the thickness of the two-blade M&G offering (I have one, bail swang freely, no binding...but I removed anyway as I don't care for the wire bails on the B&C knives). His second post suggested to me that he was referring to the ring...THAT SAID, I would like John/Chief to weigh in, they are his words and he knows knives.
 
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