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Life after Becker.......

stabman said:
Serious outdoors people don't generally spend much cash on knives.
It's true...talk to some serious outdoors people sometime.
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The ones I know spend serious money on quality gear, knives included though I will agree they do not spend thousands or wait years on a knife and would laugh at the thought. I'd pick one of the BK's over any knife that takes years to acquire any day. A knife is a tool and meant to be used.
 
Who cares about this mundane crap. I'll buy a Mora bushcraft survival knife instead, and get a whole lot better value for the $.

I'll leave this over-hyped Camillus-made rubbish for the easily manipulated zombie heads.

See....all the money saved buying the Mora, I can afford to be pretentious.
 
I kinda agree with everyone, some more than others. If you had the opportunity to sell out you would too. But everyone hates a sellout (prolly cause they can't). I like what I like because I know it'll survive several apocalypses while I get vaporized in one of them. I wouldn't turn one down as gift and I would be happy to have it in a survival situation if that was all I had. I probably wouldn't buy one, I pondered the BG/Gerber stuff when it came out and decided against it when I found many bad user reviews (I'm not going to waste my money on junk (was probably before they fixed the issues)).
 
Condor at least has carbon blades..... But I don't want to be a complete hater until I have one in hand.
 
I would totally sell out if I can convince a couple hundred thousand mall ninjas that the product endorsed by me would be a godsend come zombies or bear grylls style "survival". Until then, anyone want me to autograph something for a couple bucks? Anyone?

But in all seriousness even the Gerber bear grylls line can be used as a decent tool. I won't buy one, but If I had one I'm sure I can make it work and last. By keeping it in a drawer of course (back to kidding again) :D
 
I am a Big Les Stroud fan but I can't figure out what he is thinking with these knives.

The Buzz Lightyear colors, handle size/shape, the sheath. It looks like a chip bag clip on the outside of that sheath. So you can keep your Fritos/tinder fresh for your next survival situation.

I hope these knives don't define his legacy.

Jeremy
 
DerekH said:
I think that honestly, whatever he does to make money is his business, not mine. I ain't gonna lose respect for someone making money doing something related to what they love, even if they are endorsing less than perfect products. Would those knives work if you were stranded on an island with no other tools? Probably.

Now if his show ends up being an over-commercialized piece of garbage, then I might take some umbrage with the man, but until then, he is still a decent guy, and one of the few that doesn't run all over looking like a meth'd up coke fiend.

The guy is just like any of the rest of us, he has kids to put through school, and bills he has to pay. Good for him for making a quick buck. He went the decent knife route with the Helle knife, I say let the man make a little money selling something that is less than awesome. Besides, as we saw with the Bear Grylls knives, some of them weren't utter crap, and I have actually heard good things about that ultimate survival knife once they got the pommel issues taken care of. Even Bladite can tell you how well the parang chops. So at the end of the day, I say cut the man a little slack and let him make his money. It isn't like it is going to hurt us at all, or take away from what we love and do.
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Well put. I agree 100%
 
Whatever it is that defines his "legacy" he has to look after putting grocerys on the table. There are only so many ways for a cable t.v. Star to make money.
 
Saw this thread in the new post area.

I have to say, I had no idea how many people here are so emotionally tied to Les and his business. Honestly, I am surprised at the level of angst and disappointment over this guy trying to make a dollar. I like his show, but folks here seem to regard him as having some special "honor" or a level of integrity that doesn't allow him to make money AS HE SEES FIT.

I would bet that most folks here have never even had a conversation with the man, but rather they have made up a persona that fits well with their imagination of the way he should be. Well, at least according to them.

Remember.... he didn't make his survival shows for free. They weren't syndicated for free. He doesn't give away the gear on his website for nothing. He is in this to make money, folks. He lectures, and promotes other products like Columbia gear (mostly made in China) as well.

For those unclear, HE IS A PAID ENTERTAINER. This is probably nothing other than a business opportunity.

Robert
 
The colors will make them easy to see if you drop one. Which is somewhat the idea for dive knives back in the '80s that looked a good bit like this knife and it's sheath
 
midnight flyer said:
Saw this thread in the new post area.

I have to say, I had no idea how many people here are so emotionally tied to Les and his business. Honestly, I am surprised at the level of angst and disappointment over this guy trying to make a dollar. I like his show, but folks here seem to regard him as having some special "honor" or a level of integrity that doesn't allow him to make money AS HE SEES FIT.

I would bet that most folks here have never even had a conversation with the man, but rather they have made up a persona that fits well with their imagination of the way he should be. Well, at least according to them.

Remember.... he didn't make his survival shows for free. They weren't syndicated for free. He doesn't give away the gear on his website for nothing. He is in this to make money, folks. He lectures, and promotes other products like Columbia gear (mostly made in China) as well.

For those unclear, HE IS A PAID ENTERTAINER. This is probably nothing other than a business opportunity.

Robert
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Actually l couldn't possibly care less about this guy. I don't watch much TV. I do however care about what happened to Camillus. Once one of my favorite knifemakers, now reduced to selling imported tacticool bling, which is just garbage with a Camillus logo slapped on it to give it "props". Ack. You can put a Thunderbird emblem on a Festiva but it won't make it so.
 
midnight flyer said:
Saw this thread in the new post area.

I have to say, I had no idea how many people here are so emotionally tied to Les and his business. Honestly, I am surprised at the level of angst and disappointment over this guy trying to make a dollar. I like his show, but folks here seem to regard him as having some special "honor" or a level of integrity that doesn't allow him to make money AS HE SEES FIT.

I would bet that most folks here have never even had a conversation with the man, but rather they have made up a persona that fits well with their imagination of the way he should be. Well, at least according to them.

Remember.... he didn't make his survival shows for free. They weren't syndicated for free. He doesn't give away the gear on his website for nothing. He is in this to make money, folks. He lectures, and promotes other products like Columbia gear (mostly made in China) as well.

For those unclear, HE IS A PAID ENTERTAINER. This is probably nothing other than a business opportunity.

Robert
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True but if you are going to put your name on a product, trust me they came looking for Les not the other way around, why not have more say in it? I couldn't imagine Les sitting in a design room somewhere wondering how he can fit in the neon green...
 
On the upside they could be a gateway knife to some better stuff for the end user.I won't judge him for how he makes his money, I mean hell, I been a male prostitute for 15 years.
 
Wolf_1989 said:
Actually l couldn't possibly care less about this guy. I don't watch much TV. I do however care about what happened to Camillus. Once one of my favorite knifemakers, now reduced to selling imported tacticool bling, which is just garbage with a Camillus logo slapped on it to give it "props". Ack. You can put a Thunderbird emblem on a Festiva but it won't make it so.
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Exactly the point I was making. Camillus used to make the knives we love in this forum. The after Becker left, things went downhill. So keep your Beckers close or run the risk of wearing neon green tacticool track suits. Just sayin. :D
 
This may be why some folks here are disapointed in Les Stroud lending his name to Asian made junk.

Sure, he sells his work for a living. But everything he pretty much was affiliated with regards to outdoor gear with up to that point WAS QUALITY. Hell the Buck 119 he used is better than the crap Camillus now sells .

His "Survivorman" shows were pretty much self filmed, raw outdoor survival experiences. Most of them were rather boring they were so realisitc. He did not do the staged shock value / MTV jackass/ circus clown stunts of Bear Grylls.

Les Stroud has never used crap equipment nor endorsed same to my knowledge. The other thing that folks may not know is that Les Stroud DID have other offers from BETTER knife companies over the years. Which makes the Camillus deal all the more baffling.

There are folks who had some respect for the guy and know quality knives are disappointed in this. As to the folks mentioning Mora- its NOT about price. It's about quality. Mora makes a quality blade. A Les Stroud signature Mora line would have made perfect sense. The mall ninja Les Stroud Camillus line does not.
 
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OREGON FAL'ER said:
On the upside they could be a gateway knife to some better stuff for the end user.
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Absolutely. My entire journey into the world of knives started with a simple Google search wondering what knife BG uses after a session watching MvW with my eight year old son, who loves it. However, one link led to another and now my kit includes (across various bags/pockets/drawers) a Becker BK-2 and BK-9 (with BK-11 on order), a Buck 110 and 112, Gerber LMF II, and Spyderco Military/Endura 4 (my EDC)/Pacific Salt.

Beyond even that, it's got me off the couch and out among the trees, taking our young family camping and determined that they aren't going to live the adventures one should have as a child vicariously by watching it all on TV.
 
If they're cheap enough and sturdy enough to get more people into using knives, I'm all for it.
And considering the abuse I put many cheaper 440 knives through, I doubt they'll break that easily.

Now sure, I think they're quite ugly, and I do not like coatings, especially on stainless blades.
But the machete is fugly in a way that makes me want to bash something with it.:D I think I'll get one and see what it can do.
Then I can pass it on to someone else.

But yes, I'd rather have a BK-9 than any of those.
 
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