LIN aka (KAI ZHAO) Issue resolved

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Bobby Branton

Bobby Branton

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I sold a $1,200.00 custom knife to LIN. I shipped it fully insured on my dime and it was received at an address in New Hampshire that he gave me in a timely manner on July 31, 2016. I waited a few days to make sure there were no issues and after a PM to LIN and no response, I transferred the money from PP to my bank.
On August 20, 2016 I received an e mail from KAI ZHAO stating that the knife was improperly packaged and that the tip was broke and that the knife was sticking out of the box. He did send a pic of the knife laying on the bubble wrap and box, but no pic of the damaged box. I put the knife in the sheath and wrapped in in bubble wrap and stretch wrap.
After investigation, I found out that he does not live in NJ and is having the knives delivered there to be repackaged and sent to him in China. I think the knife was damaged and then shipped to him hence the three week delay.
Even though I did not feel at fault, I asked him why he waited so long as the package was insured and told him that he could send it to the maker and I would ask the maker to fix it and send it back to the address in NH on my dime.
I waited again for a couple of weeks and received a claim from Pay Pay and the locked up my account. Through Pay Pal he wanted to keep the knife and have me refund him $660.00. I refused the deal and contacted Pay Pal. Figuring that I was in a no win situation with PP having my account locked up, I eventually agreed to take the knife back and refund his money.

They gave him ten days to provided them with a valid tracking number and when I received the knife, they would refund his money and unlock my account.
Eleven days later he sends them a invalid shipping number. I contact Pay Pal and after thirty minutes on the phone explaining that I had kept my end of the deal, they ruled in my favor.

This morning I wake up and he has appealed the ruling and provided them with a tracking number from China and the package will not get here until 9-20-16.
So, be careful who you are dealing with as who you think you are dealing with may not be who you think. If I had known this was going to China and being handled by more than the buyer, I would have never sold him a knife.

Bobby
 
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That's a crock of BS. You should've explained to PayPal that there was a middle man who repackaged the knife and sent it off to buyer in China. It arrived safely to the address you were given to send it to, or at least there doesn't seem to be proof otherwise. Sorry about your troubles.
 
One would think that the fact he has a PayPal shipping address in NJ, yet the knife is being shipped back to you from China would be enough evidence for PayPal to finally rule in your favor.
 
Odog27 said:
That's a crock of BS. You should've explained to PayPal that there was a middle man who repackaged the knife and sent it off to buyer in China. It arrived safely to the address you were given to send it to, or at least there doesn't seem to be proof otherwise. Sorry about your troubles.
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Have you ever spoken to someone at PP ?? :-)
I got one of there representitives and she had to go to three different supervisors to finally get them to rule in my favor. Then without contacting me, they rule in his favor on his appeal.

What pisses me off is, number one, the packages was fully insured. Number two, offered to have the knife fixed anyway because I am a good guy. Number three absolutely no response when I questioned him as to where he lived, who repackaged the knife and why he waited so long to contact me.
 
And people always ask, why won't BF members sell to me just because I am overseas???? Well, this is why.


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The thing with PayPal is that they usually rule in favour of the buyer at the slight doubt. Or even if there is no doubt at all, they try to honor their "bulletproof guarantee". From the buyers perspective this is great. Not so much from the sellers point of view. If everything goes smoth, everyone is happy. However... if something goes wrong... usually the seller ends up screwed up.

Sorry to hear about this whole thing Bobby...
 
Never dealt with this LIN character but I have noticed he bought/buys quite a few BUSSE AK47's. Not that it's a bad thing but thought it was weird.
 
Don't forget to leave negative feedback so everyone will be warned. Oh, wait, that would get you infracted. :confused:
 
I would belive negative feed back is warranted here. He used a proxy and then tried to scam the seller. People need to know this heck I think he should be banned. He knew what he was doing and tried to pull a fast one.
 
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9Nine said:
Why? The deal's been completed, I think feedback would be warranted and in line with the rules.
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One would think. Here's the rule: If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you are not out any items or money, move along. So, you tell me - is feedback allowed in this case? Part of the problem is the ambiguity in the rule, and part of the problem is the huge bias in favor of positive feedback. When's the last time some d-bag showed up as the miscreant in a GBU thread who didn't claim 100% positive feedback?
 
I would definitely leave negative feedback. The deal was completed........period.
This sucks a big one Bobby. It seems like you tried to do the right thing even after finding out this was a scam.
I would send Rev Devil or Esav a PM and see what they say.
Good luck my friend......really hope you get straightened out.
Joe
 
I agree that the deal was completed.

I would leave him negative feedback so other people know not to deal with him.
 
Would like to see Lin explain himself here.

Regardless, one more to add to the ignore list - sorry Bobby that you had to be the one that got the shaft and brought this guy to light. Keep us posted - especially if he does actually send the knife back.
 
HappyDaddy said:
One would think. Here's the rule: If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you are not out any items or money, move along. So, you tell me - is feedback allowed in this case? Part of the problem is the ambiguity in the rule, and part of the problem is the huge bias in favor of positive feedback. When's the last time some d-bag showed up as the miscreant in a GBU thread who didn't claim 100% positive feedback?
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Is the seller out any money? I would think so.....



Was the package successfully delivered to the paypal address? Did the damage happen on the way to the paypal address or did it happen on the way to China after paypal and the seller were no longer involved in the transaction? Is there any proof that the damage occurred when the item was on the way to the paypal address? If the knife was damaged during transit to the paypal address why did it end up in China rather than be returned to the seller so the seller could refund the money and pursue the insurance?

All questions that need answers. You would think paypal would want to know such things.....
 
Wow. Unless I missed something, his postings are all on the exchange except for a single tech support post. Quite a contributor to the blade forums community.
 
I had a couple dealings with LIN that worked out fine, but it is rather shady how he tries to purchase things without full disclosure of his situation. I caught on to it because the fee pp charged me for his transaction (cross border transaction fee is an extra 1%) was slightly higher than normal, but it's such a small amount that it could easily slip by unnoticed. I'd say that if his repackagers didn't package it properly, that is not your problem and needs to be brought to paypals attention.


My transaction with LIN
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1411178-A-few-classics-and-collectors
 
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